Online Petitions Thread

These are the top 10 questions already asked:

10. Can Tom explain the exact process he used to deflate the footballs?

9. Why isn’t Brady being suspended for the entire year?

8. Why were the Patriots still allowed to play in the Super Bowl?

7. Why do Patriot fans create such ridiculous conspiracy theories about the NFL running a sting operation?

6. What incriminating evidence does Brady have on his cell phone?

5. What do the polls say about the Patriots guilt?

4. Why didn’t Brady just admit at the beginning that he cheated instead of forcing this long investigation?

3. Why would someone call himself the Deflator if he wasn’t illegally deflating footballs?

2. Why are Patriot fans such blind haters and can’t deal with the truth that their team and QB cheated?

1. What about the children?

Kenneth Sims said:

Walt Anderson's statement that in his experience as a referee this is the first time an attendant took the balls to the field without being accompanied by an official because of the chaos from the conclusion of the NFC championship. Why would there be a conspiracy to tamper with the footballs when, under ordinary circumstances, there would not be an opportunity to do so?

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There actually is an answer to that one -- ordinarily, McNally does the tampering when he's alone in an empty referee locker room, but in this special case, the room was crowded.

However, if you believe that, it does nothing to explain an under-inflated ball in Indianapolis.

VectorPrime said:

How did the Patriots tamper with the footballs on the road when the home team always has access to them prior to kickoff? Especially since "the deflator" doesn't travel with the team and wasn't there.

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That's one of the biggies.

Fencer said:

There actually is an answer to that one -- ordinarily, McNally does the tampering when he's alone in an empty referee locker room, but in this special case, the room was crowded.

However, if you believe that, it does nothing to explain an under-inflated ball in Indianapolis.

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When would McNally be left alone in the officials locker room? Where are the officials? trying to fit into a little car to drive into the stadium.

Questions that will actually be asked in casual-fan-friendly media:

What about that text?

Fencer said:

That's one of the biggies.

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Seriously, how has NOONE asked this? It seems like the most obvious hole in the entire case. Has anyone, even Curran, even alluded to it? What the fuuuuck

PatsFanInVa said:

Questions that will actually be asked in casual-fan-friendly media:

What about that text?

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Or why did the Patriots suspend Jas and McNally if they did nothing wrong?

RIP#40 said:

Or why did the Patriots suspend Jas and McNally if they did nothing wrong?

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I can field this one. When the team received the Wells Report that morning Kraft panicked and suspended them as a preemptive measure in the hope of appearing cooperative so as to lessen a potential punishment. He didn't actually care to look into whether the report was right or not, it was easier to just fire these two guys right away.

@Dr Pain and @ViperGTS We still need to agree on what to call our group

But how's this for a mission statement....

For over a year now, the National Football League has become embroiled in scandals involving child abuse and domestic violence. There can be no middle ground when it comes to violence against woman and children. Yet the same must also be true when the NFL maliciously targets one of its own teams. In the past few months, allegations of corruption have been brought to light that suggest that League may have violated its neutrality and fabricated evidence against the New England Patriots.

All football fans who spend their hard earned money on tickets, memorabilia, and memories, should be outraged by these allegations. Our trust in the sport has been has been seriously undermined, and despite reassurances from Roger Goodell, we are not convinced that the NFL has acted with neutrality. Therefore as fans, it is urgent we use our voices to demand immediate change and reform.

When the leaders of NFL abuse their power to spread lies and defame the actions of a team, it violates the public conscience and goes against our basic moral principles. As fans, we want our elected officials to remind the NFL that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Otherwise, the fans cannot be fully assured of the integrity of each game.

By now, you all have noticed the ever-prolific 'online petition' threads. You've notice how that thread has become almost exclusively for planning and brainstorming activism on behalf of the Pats. It's somewhat narrowly focused on nuts and bolts, so I can understand if you chose to avoid it.

But I value all your opinions and ideas. So if you have time to spare, can you please look over the statement of grievance, and let me know what your thoughts are.

(P.S. mods, I don't blame you if you chose to merge these threads....I just like to make this visible for the forum to see, in case people chose not to look at the "Petition Thread")

Here's what I and @ViperGTS came up with:


STATEMENT OF GRIEVANCE ( + Online Petition )

For over a year now, the National Football League has been embroiled in scandals involving child abuse and domestic violence. There can be no middle ground when it comes to violence against woman and children. Yet the same must also be true when the NFL maliciously targets one of its own teams. In the past few months, allegations of corruption have been brought to light that suggest that League may have violated its neutrality and fabricated evidence against the New England Patriots.

All football fans who spend their hard earned money on tickets, memorabilia, and memories, should be outraged by these allegations. Our trust in the sport has been has been seriously undermined, and despite reassurances from Roger Goodell, we are not convinced that the NFL has acted with neutrality. Therefore as fans, it is urgent we use our voices to demand an immediate change.

When the leaders of the NFL abuse their power to spread lies and defame the actions of a team, it violates the public conscience and goes against our basic moral principles. As fans, we want our elected officials to remind the NFL that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

@Dr Pain and @ViperGTS We still need to agree on what to call our group

But how's this for a mission statement....

For over a year now, the National Football League has become embroiled in scandals involving child abuse and domestic violence. There can be no middle ground when it comes to violence against woman and children. Yet the same must also be true when the NFL maliciously targets one of its own teams. In the past few months, allegations of corruption have been brought to light that suggest that League may have violated its neutrality and fabricated evidence against the New England Patriots.

All football fans who spend their hard earned money on tickets, memorabilia, and memories, should be outraged by these allegations. Our trust in the sport has been has been seriously undermined, and despite reassurances from Roger Goodell, we are not convinced that the NFL has acted with neutrality. Therefore as fans, it is urgent we use our voices to demand immediate change and reform.

When the leaders of NFL abuse their power to spread lies and defame the actions of a team, it violates the public conscience and goes against our basic moral principles. As fans, we want our elected officials to remind the NFL that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Otherwise, the fans cannot be fully assured of the integrity of each game.

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Fans United for Accountability is fine. Your mission statement is good but IMO too aggressive. I dunno, I thinks its fine but it may turn people off. What does everyone else think? I'm working on a Facebook page but without a name its kinda hard to even start it.

I'd change the lies to misinformation. Sounds a bit more diplomatic. Basic moral principles? good in premise, but no one really cares about that on the field do they?

ViperGTS said:

I'd change the lies to misinformation. Sounds a bit more diplomatic. Basic moral principles? good in premise, but no one really cares about that on the field do they?

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Viper things it might be too aggressive. What does everyone else

"misinformation" over "lies"...hmmmm I personally wanted to promote our message with a hashtag #TheBigLie and came up with these pictures to share with people online. What do you make of these?

@ViperGTS what do you want to want to substitute "basic moral principles" with?

ViperGTS said:

Fans United for Accountability is fine. Your mission statement is good but IMO too aggressive. I dunno, I thinks its fine but it may turn people off. What does everyone else think? I'm working on a Facebook page but without a name its kinda hard to even start it.

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You're absolutely right Viper. The sooner we get a name for ourselves the better! I really want other people's input. Where is everyone? Why is everyone slacking?!

The difference between a lie and misinformation is a lie is intentional. The NFL had the correct #s, gave wrong #s and never corrected. This seems intentional to me and fitting of a lie.

Mort gave misinformation, NFL lied

I would stay away from any other issue like domestic violence etc... This should all be about the lie the NFL told the Patriots and Mort and understanding that any reasonable person would realize this would interfere with SB prep and thus appears to be an intentional action to fix the big game. Also again I want to recommend that the petition be changed to not say not one single football measured below 10.5, and most were within an acceptable range of natural air deflation but to list that the lowest was 10.85. The Mort leak is secondary to the bold faced lie the NFL sent in the Gardi letter. 10.1 means someone did something.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

@ViperGTS what do you want to want to substitute "basic moral principles" with?

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Oh I dunno. I'd like to see what others think. Rather have this hashed out by more that two. Maybe even keep it. I rather anything we post to that page to be more diplomatic and statement of fact.

Dr Pain said:

The difference between a lie and misinformation is a lie is intentional. The NFL had the correct #s, gave wrong #s and never corrected. This seems intentional to me and fitting of a lie.

I would stay away from any other issue like domestic violence etc... This should all be about the lie the NFL told the Patriots and Mort and understanding that any reasonable person would realize this would interfere with SB prep and thus appears to be an intentional action to fix the big game. Also again I want to recommend that the petition be changed to not say not one single football measured below 10.5, and most were within an acceptable range of natural air deflation but to list that the lowest was 10.85. The Mort leak is secondary to the bold faced lie the NFL sent in the Gardi letter. 10.1 means someone did something.

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Good Points, all of them.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans-United-For-Accountability/709045212533754

Heres a facebook page. It has not been published yet. still tweaking.

ViperGTS said:

Oh I dunno. I'd like to see what others think. Rather have this hashed out by more that two. Maybe even keep it. I rather anything we post to that page to be more diplomatic and statement of fact.

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Dude, I can't make sense of your post. Are you smoking that bud-bud?

BTW, I need to give credit to @Palm Beach Pats Fan for the hashtag #TheBigLie. The genesis of the movement starts with his thread.

Do we really want our "elected officials" involved? Remember when Senator Specter tried to stick his nose into Spygate? We just want justice.