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Here's part of the rule

or that a player’s failure to participate in a workout program or classroom instruction will result in the player’s failure to make the Club


So where's the NFLPA complaint against the Titans?
I don't even see how such a thing is even remotely possible to enforce. If you have 2 guys of roughly equivalent talent and one is showing up for all OTA's and the other skips 'em, how in the world is that not expected to influence the coach's decision?
 
Interestingly, they apparently filed it without Butler's permission. Surprised they don't need the player's permission for this stuff.

Can't complain much though, I think this whole controversy is pretty stupid but if the NFLPA thinks it's worth filing a complaint over they probably should.

I was wondering about this. I can't imagine it would be in Butler's best interest to be adversarial with the team or coach at this point.
 
Surprised this is done without Butler agreeing to the action.
 
Can't complain much though, I think this whole controversy is pretty stupid but if the NFLPA thinks it's worth filing a complaint over they probably should.

Pats fans can and should if they don't file a complaint against the Titans for cutting Shonn Greene on the first day of voluntary camp after they knew he wasn't coming.
 
Surprised this is done without Butler agreeing to the action.

It may be true in this case, but I'm willing to bet they say that about every player in a situation like this, just to avoid any (conscious or subconscious) bias towards that player going forward by the team.
 
What is the nature of the complaint?? He did not lose money or his position.. all that happened is that he could not practice. Also have difficulty with the grievant not being in agreement with the action..

As an old time union guy do not see the harm or foul.

I agree with what BB did, these kids need discipline and if they are not tracking the weather with today's technology they need to. Better to be back a day early, rather than a day late.
 
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From the Pats/Chiefs game thread (weirdly enough the only game thread you posted in last season)




Now piss off, troll.


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Get bent Wildo!
 
What is the nature of the complaint?? He did not lose money or his position.. all that happened is that he could not practice.

Actually, even that is an overstatement. He was allowed to participate. He just wasn't allowed to participate in one particular activity, for a little while.
 
belichick should of never punished bulter in the first place.
more arrogance from bill. what kind of message does this send? none...so tedious


That's right, who does he think he is? If the player is under contract then they should be allowed to come and go as they please. I am still angry at the way he punished Garrapolo last season, he made him sit and watch Tom Brady all last season and only allowed him to play in the last game. WTF Bill? The NFLPA really need to step in and make sure Every player gets equal playing time and the opportunity to earn the blue ribbon for participation at seasons end. I'm done with Belichick's arrogance, this " winning is the only thing that matters " garbage is so 1940s!
 
Anything that takes the air out of deflategate is fine with me.;)
 
Was any player signed and allowed to participate in field activities while Butler wasn't allowed to participate in field activities or was there another player that missed OTAs and still allowed on the field?
The only good defense the Pats have has been identified by @Patstopia and @robertweathers
 
The NFL Network is reporting that the Patriots sent Butler home. They can't even get the most basic details right.

As far as the supposed "punishment" goes the coach decides who partake in drills, not the thought police.
 
The NFL Network is reporting that the Patriots sent Butler home. They can't even get the most basic details right.

As far as the supposed "punishment" goes the coach decides who partake in drills, not the thought police.

Doesn't matter. Determining if there was a violation and subsequent punishment is the responsibility of a certain individual who has the corner office on 345 Park Ave, NYC, NY.

Bill might as well start the download of the Bank of America app, use the routing # number he has on file and hit send.
 
Doesn't matter. Determining if there was a violation and subsequent punishment is the responsibility of a certain individual who has the corner office on 345 Park Ave, NYC, NY.

Bill might as well start the download of the Bank of America app, use the routing # number he has on file and hit send.


I don't think Goodell oversees these issues, I think n there is an arbiter this goes to.
 
Was any player signed and allowed to participate in field activities while Butler wasn't allowed to participate in field activities or was there another player that missed OTAs and still allowed on the field?
The only good defense the Pats have has been identified by @Patstopia and @robertweathers

It doesn't matter, there was no fine or suspension he just didn't get to do drills, that's a coaches call.
 
I don't think Goodell oversees these issues, I think n there is an arbiter this goes to.
I read this in the ProJo and took it that Goody has the right to hear the case or delegate it to Vincent.etc.

The CBA states that any head coach or team that is found by an arbitrator to have violated these provisions “shall be subject to a fine to be determined by the Commissioner.”

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150625/SPORTS/150629571/13988
 
The NFL Network is reporting that the Patriots sent Butler home. They can't even get the most basic details right.

As far as the supposed "punishment" goes the coach decides who partake in drills, not the thought police.

Ya well that's how the mediots are gonna go with this one, that he got sent home. Even though Malcolm was on record telling a group of reporters

“Today wasn’t my first day, I’ve been here all week, so focus on everything, getting better, footwork, communication with the teammates, everything. Everything to win.”

When asked what he’s been working on while not on the practice field

“Film room, weights, same thing that football requires,” Butler said. “I got out here today, don’t feel like I missed a step, so feel pretty confident.”

By the way this is the rule NFLPA is trying to get the Pats on

“No Club official may indicate to a player that the Club’s offseason workout program or classroom instruction is not voluntary (or that a player’s failure to participate in a workout program or classroom instruction will result in the player’s failure to make the Club or result in any other adverse consequences affecting his working conditions). Contact work (e.g., “live” blocking, tackling, pass rushing, bump-and-run) is expressly prohibited in all offseason workouts. All Clubs, coaches and other Club officials shall follow all of the rules regarding offseason workouts set forth in AppendixG hereto.”

So he wasn't cut and according to him being off the field didn't "result in adverse consequences affecting his working conditions", because he said he didn't feel like he missed a step.

But go ahead and keep the double standard up, you got a guy who has basically said he was ok with the what happened and then you got the Titans cutting a guy on the first day of voluntary camp after he made it known he wasn't coming.

Per that CBA rule not coming to voluntary camp shouldn't affect you making the club and i'm sure someone will respond they were gonna cut him anyways, well do that days before the workouts or days after the workouts, not the first day. But i'm sure the NFLPA will be mum on that one when they should at least be filing a complaint. IMO (ya ya homer blah blah) Shonn Greene being cut on the first day of workouts after he made it known he wasn't showing up is more of a violation of this rule than Belichick having a player who was voluntarily there participate in everything but on-field drills for a handful of practices.

But ya go ahead and set the precedent for how coaches run OTAs when players are present rather than a team cutting a guy on the first day of camp after he didn't show up. So then players will just throw the voluntary card out when they don't want to do something at workouts or break teams rules and the coach has no recourse. But it is perfectly fine if you cut a guy who didn't show up on the first day of camp when it specifically states a player not going to voluntary workouts can't be cut because he didn't show up.
 
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Pats fans can and should if they don't file a complaint against the Titans for cutting Shonn Greene on the first day of voluntary camp after they knew he wasn't coming.

Not only is this completely irrelevant to whether or not the Pats should be punished but it's also not even a comparable situation.

GJGE
 
"Hey the guy trying to make the team and impress his boss in an environment where this rule is systematically ignored didn't take a stand, Pats exonerated!"

/JMClogic
 
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