Just when I thought I'd heard it all...

NO!..IT'S SURREAL TALK

PatsWSB47 said:

.....and he doesn't have track field speed but he does have a a super model so maybe he has a long d...! Sorry for the stereotype...just going for a joke

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Thought he had the "Irish problem."

betterthanthealternative said:

Made the mistake of channel flipping past Pardon The Interruption today. Their take on Brady suspension was up next so I listened. Kornheiser was animated about how this whole thing was bad science being used by the NFL to attack the Patriots. Jason Whitlock countered that it isn't about the NFL attacking the Pats, because the Pats make lots of money for the NFL and the NFL is pro-Pats. Instead, he says it is Goodell's attempt to placate the black players in the League who feel victimized by his punishments, by going after a white star. This is the entire motivation for all of it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=2406595

Really, he made this about race.

There's a lot that goes on in this country that's driven or influenced by race, and I'm blind to a lot of it, but in this case? Really?!

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As dumb as this argument is, I would't even mind this becoming a prevailing narrative. I'd rather the punishment was remembered as a bunch of racist nonsense than as a fair punishment based on sound science. Both conclusions are ********, so I'll take the one that's more obviously ********.

As long as people come around to the idea that this entire punishment is crap and that Goodell's making **** up based on nothing as he goes along, I don't particularly care where they take it from there.

Jason Whitlock made a comment about racism?

That's like, like, the jets "not" making the superbowl. in other words, it's to be expected.

BradyFTW! said:

As dumb as this argument is, I would't even mind this becoming a prevailing narrative. I'd rather the punishment was remembered as a bunch of racist nonsense than as a fair punishment based on sound science. Both conclusions are ********, so I'll take the one that's more obviously ********.

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Whitlock must be a standup philospher (NSFW)

Dr Pain said:

This is great news, they both accept the premise that Brady and probably the patriots did nothing wrong.

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Agreed...who's to say their crazy theories are any crazier than the nonsense that's been going on...

aluminum seats said:

Agreed...who's to say their crazy theories are any crazier than the nonsense that's been going on...

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The big flaw in their theory is the Gardi letter which with its lies was an obvious attempt to interfere with the Super Bowl preparation on which billions are bet. The target was putting the fix on the Super Bowl, the rest is just peripheral mayhem.

Dr Pain said:

The big flaw in their theory is the Gardi letter which with its lies was an obvious attempt to interfere with the Super Bowl preparation on which billions are bet. The target was putting the fix on the Super Bowl, the rest is just peripheral mayhem.

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I know that's your theory...not sure I agree with it.

aluminum seats said:

I know that's your theory...not sure I agree with it.

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Who said I even agree with it but it is the theory which allows our local Congressmen and Attorney General to have a plausible reason to ask the NFL about it. There are billions at stake, it did interfere, it was a lie. I think the NFL took the 10.1 from what the ball was at the much colder Ravens game. It would have been around there and this was a sting from the get go. If they told the refs the reffs would have just kept an eye on the balls or tipped off the Pats. These guys know each other.

Ritchie Incognito says hi.

Dr Pain said:

Who said I even agree with it but it is the theory which allows our local Congressmen and Attorney General to have a plausible reason to ask the NFL about it. There are billions at stake, it did interfere, it was a lie. I think the NFL took the 10.1 from what the ball was at the much colder Ravens game. It would have been around there and this was a sting from the get go. If they told the refs the reffs would have just kept an eye on the balls or tipped off the Pats. These guys know each other.

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Agreed. Again, IMO this is a way in. Possibly. If change.org comes back up. Anyway, if it gets the AGs attention, so be it. There will be much more to come.

Dr Pain said:

The big flaw in their theory is the Gardi letter which with its lies was an obvious attempt to interfere with the Super Bowl preparation on which billions are bet. The target was putting the fix on the Super Bowl, the rest is just peripheral mayhem.

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The flaw with this theory, is that 99.9% of all bets made on the Superbowl are made after both teams are set, and most of those in the final week. In other words after the deflategate controversy was known to all. So, worldwide, every gambler would have access to this information -a possible large Patriots distraction- and were able to adjust their handicapping as they saw fit. So there really was no advantage to any bettors one way or the other.

Also, if you think the "fix was in" before the controversy, the gambling industry is on the constant lookout for abnormal size bets at abnormal times. Someone unusual, making bets large enough to risk a complete set-up, and make the payout worthwhile in the face of the vagaries of chance, would set off alarm bells somewhere.

pdangle said:

The flaw with this theory, is that 99.9% of all bets made on the Superbowl are made after both teams are set. In other words after the deflategate controversy was known to all. So, worldwide, every gambler would have access to this information -a possible large Patriots distraction- and were able to adjust their handicapping as they saw fit. So there really was no advantage to any bettors one way or the other.

Also, if you think the "fix was in" before the controversy, the gambling industry is on the constant lookout for abnormal size bets at abnormal times. Someone unusual, making bets large enough to risk a complete set-up, and make the payout worthwhile in the face of the vagaries of chance, would set off alarm bells somewhere.

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A large bet on the Seahawks at the start of the season works out quite well in this narrative does it not? Who knows if someone bet a chunk on the Seahawks to repeat. The Patriots were the late game and were favored over the Colts who are known frauds. Toss this grenade at the Patriots and increase the chance that the patriots lose the SB and you win your start of the year wager on the Seahawks. Convoluted, complex yes but potentially brilliant and it is more probable than not that the NFL was up to something nefarious and this narrative explains it as well as any.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Thought he had the "Irish problem."

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Haven't you heard of shrinkage?

pdangle said:

The flaw with this theory, is that 99.9% of all bets made on the Superbowl are made after both teams are set. In other words after the deflategate controversy was known to all. So, worldwide, every gambler would have access to this information -a possible large Patriots distraction- and were able to adjust their handicapping as they saw fit. So there really was no advantage to any bettors one way or the other.

Also, if you think the "fix was in" before the controversy, the gambling industry is on the constant lookout for abnormal size bets at abnormal times. Someone unusual, making bets large enough to risk a complete set-up, and make the payout worthwhile in the face of the vagaries of chance, would set off alarm bells somewhere.

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The deflategate controversy blew up a couple of days after the AFCG. Both teams were set the minute the clock hit zero in Foxborough. No one knew how it would affect the Pats mentally. Remember, Brady got sick, and there were hints that the situation had drained him.

ViperGTS said:

The deflategate controversy blew up a couple of days after the AFCG. Both teams were set the minute the clock hit zero in Foxborough. No one knew how it would affect the Pats mentally. Remember, Brady got sick, and there were hints that the situation had drained him.

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That explains the first half. Glad he got better for the second half .

Dr Pain said:

A large bet on the Seahawks at the start of the season works out quite well in this narrative does it not? Who knows if someone bet a chunk on the Seahawks to repeat. The Patriots were the late game and were favored over the Colts who are known frauds. Toss this grenade at the Patriots and increase the chance that the patriots lose the SB and you win your start of the year wager on the Seahawks. Convoluted, complex yes but potentially brilliant and it is more probable than not that the NFL was up to something nefarious and this narrative explains it as well as any.

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I believe the NFL was up to something nefarious, but not for anything involving gambling reasons.

I don't see any way the justice department gets involved in this, but if they did I would say investigating something along the lines of unfair labor practices would be your best bet. You have a guy losing the right to work for 4 weeks (thereby losing millions of dollars) based on some fraudulent activity on the part of the league.

Whitlock is correct. President Obama has taken a particular interest in the NFL and its attitude toward race, both regarding the Redskins name and the NFL's pattern of punishment focused on the misdeeds of African American players. His concerns were made clear to Goodell last year. Josh Earnest, the President's press secretary, mocked Brady from the beginning of DFG, exposing the political underpinnings of this scandal. Brady is being sacrificed on a political altar. Wells wielded the knife. Note also that Brady has political aspirations and Kraft is a supporter of Netanyahu. Whitlock is very astute in these matters.

XLIX said:

I believe the NFL was up to something nefarious, but not for anything involving gambling reasons.

I don't see any way the justice department gets involved in this, but if they did I would say investigating something along the lines of unfair labor practices would be your best bet. You have a guy losing the right to work for 4 weeks (thereby losing millions of dollars) based on some fraudulent activity on the part of the league.

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The best we are ever going to get is a congressman or AG asking the NFL to answer why and how this happened and then releasing their answers. Perhaps this gets the press asking the same question.

Dr Pain said:

The best we are ever going to get is a congressman or AG asking the NFL to answer why and how this happened and then releasing their answers. Perhaps this gets the press asking the same question.

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the press will play the card of it was a single reporter that started this mess and we did our job to follow up on it

not our fault....