Official Brady Appeal Thread: D-Day Tuesday June 23rd

robertweathers said:

Brady does not need to wait for Dean Wormer. He can sue their azzes right now if he wanted to.

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I don't believe that many federal judges are going to consider anything until the labor deal process has been exhausted. Some continue to forget that a legally binding contract is in place.

Even then, the judge is simply going to push hard for resolution through neutral arbitration, which is what we ultimately want. There are many unknown variables even in a best case scenario, such as who that neutral arbitrator would be.

Edit: unless you are speaking of a defamation case, which is probably very unrealistic in my opinion.

NJPatsfan26 said:

Didnt you know that the NFL is Communist?

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lol the NFL might be the most non-Communist like business entity in the country. They have a Stalinist-esque justice system though.

VectorPrime said:

lol the NFL might be the most non-Communist like business entity in the country. They have a Stalinist-esque justice system though.

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Ah very true

so Goodell = Stalin?

His Kangaroo courts certainly share some of the same traits. Just without the forced confessions by torture.

For now

supafly said:

I don't believe that many federal judges are going to consider anything until the labor deal process has been exhausted. Some continue to forget that a legally binding contract is in place.

Even then, the judge is simply going to push hard for resolution through neutral arbitration, which is what we ultimately want. There are many unknown variables even in a best case scenario, such as who that neutral arbitrator would be.

Edit: unless you are speaking of a defamation case, which is probably very unrealistic in my opinion.

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Good points but the threat of legal action and exposure to the fiction of the Wells Report in a legal setting is the last thing they want.

Denying an employee the ability to work over an unsubstantiated claim by their employer is a labor law issue.

This is no joke.

Does it matter at all that Massachusetts is a state with still relatively strong labor laws and regulations?

VectorPrime said:

Does it matter at all that Massachusetts is a state with still relatively strong labor laws and regulations?

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You raise an excellent question. Starcaps would say yes (and no). I don't know how the new CBA has impacted that position, though, since I never looked into that. He could also look for an avenue to sue in state court over a non-labor position, though I can't think of where he'd start with that right now (long day already, sorry).

Well at least he surely has the best legal minds he can possibly have combing over every possibility.

Wow Kornheiser just went off at Goodell on PTI. He seems to have done a 180. He said he thinks the suspension is ridiculous, the science is faulty (and proven wrong by AEI), that the league was trying to get Belichick and the Patriots but they couldn't so they went after Brady, and Goodell just wants to save his job through this punishment. Worth a watch, and also nice to know that some media types (even on ESPN) have changed their perspective in light of new evidence.

karguy85 said:

Wow Kornheiser just went off at Goodell on PTI. He seems to have done a 180. He said he thinks the suspension is ridiculous, the science is faulty (and proven wrong by AEI), that the league was trying to get Belichick and the Patriots but they couldn't so they went after Brady, and Goodell just wants to save his job through this punishment. Worth a watch, and also nice to know that some media types (even on ESPN) have changed their perspective in light of new evidence.

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PTI and this guy's colleague said BB should be banned when the news first broke. But I have always felt this whole thing was targeted to get BB. Even the reactions immediately after all held BB responsible without a clue.

interesting view point from a trial lawyer in chat with reiss today

WK (Cambridge)


I'm a trial lawyer and a Pats fan. I must say I find it significant that Brady did not ask Jastremski or McNally to testify. That would be the natural thing to do if he thought their testimony would be favorable, no? He probably couldn't have issued an enforceable subpoena to force them to come, but I bet they would have come voluntarily if they had testimony favorable to TB. If the texts are the smoking gun for Wells, then TB should want their testimony about that too.

Mike
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Thanks for sharing the thought, WK.

VectorPrime said:

How the fu.ck can that possibly work when the arbitrator was the one who gave the punishment in the first place?! I FUC.KING HATE ALL THIS BULLS.HIT

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Lol I'm sure your odds in court increase exponentially if your lawyers aren't also ESPN reporters.

karguy85 said:

Wow Kornheiser just went off at Goodell on PTI. He seems to have done a 180. He said he thinks the suspension is ridiculous, the science is faulty (and proven wrong by AEI), that the league was trying to get Belichick and the Patriots but they couldn't so they went after Brady, and Goodell just wants to save his job through this punishment. Worth a watch, and also nice to know that some media types (even on ESPN) have changed their perspective in light of new evidence.

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I saw that and was in shock, i turned on PTI to see what if anything they would say since i haven't watched the show in months. i expected kornheiser to rip brady, but instead said the league was after brady, that the whole thing was a bag job by goodell and his minions.

karguy85 said:

Wow Kornheiser just went off at Goodell on PTI. He seems to have done a 180. He said he thinks the suspension is ridiculous, the science is faulty (and proven wrong by AEI), that the league was trying to get Belichick and the Patriots but they couldn't so they went after Brady, and Goodell just wants to save his job through this punishment. Worth a watch, and also nice to know that some media types (even on ESPN) have changed their perspective in light of new evidence.

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Was that today's episode?

Jlaff said:

Was that today's episode?

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Yep it was.

VectorPrime said:

I refuse to believe that guy who was telling Mike Reiss that it was a "100 to 1" chance.

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That was almost certainly Munson, who is a known fool. I guess the NFL just happens to have all the 1's because I don't see the hundreds of upheld sanctions for the three we've seen reversed in just the past few years.

Oswlek said:

That was almost certainly Munson, who is a known fool. I guess the NFL just happens to have all the 1's because I don't see the hundreds of upheld sanctions for the three we've seen reversed in just the past few years.

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Munson's ridiculous. He, seriously, should be contractually required to wear a clown suit every time he pontificates.

SVN said:

One of our ESPN experts said the likelihood of overturning an arbitrator's decision is 1 in 100.

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Odd. Bountygate players and Peterson both had their's overturned after an arbitrator's decision. So that 1 in 100 is a load of crap and probably came from either of those two idiots munson or cossak

JMC00 said:

Odd. Bountygate players and Peterson both had their's overturned after an arbitrator's decision. So that 1 in 100 is a load of crap and probably came from either of those two idiots munson or cossak

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Aren't they like 3-3. Rice, Peterson and Bountygate?

VectorPrime said:

Seriously, there MUST be some recourse when the process is this blatantly slanted against the player. I refuse to believe that guy who was telling Mike Reiss that it was a "100 to 1" chance. It makes no sense at all. No body of law on earth would consider the very man who began the investigation and handed down the punishment as a neutral party. The very idea of it should be enough to warrant a lawsuit about impartiality and conflict of interest.

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Brady's lawyers will argue to the judge that troy vincent per the CBA was not allowed to hand out that punishment to Brady and that it was only suppose to come from goodell, who then made himself arbitrator ensuring that the punishment he had vincent hand out would stand. The fact that goodell refused to recuse himself after he was formally asked helps paint the picture that vincent was as a puppet to ensure his punishment stood.

What also helps Brady is who has heard the last few player suspension appeal

Bountygate players- Stephen Burbank (Upheld)
Ray Rice- Former Judge Barbara Jones (Overturned)
Adrian Peterson- Harold Henderson (Upheld)
Greg Hardy- Harold Henderson (No Decision)


Henderson and Burbank were clearly in the bag for goodell but Jones being a former federal judge wasn't.