Time For Brady To Capitulate And Move On

I keep hearing in the "media" that Brady just has to be truthful and own up to his actions. It's funny, because I thought he did. May anyone who calls him a cheater and a liar, be so lucky to be a defendant in court with so little evidence against them.

Heck free legal aid could win his case.

In the past, I had found many of BG's articles to be pointless recapitulations of commonly available information or at best fairly shallow analysis. But I had always taken the position of freedom of speech, and let the guy practice at writing, that is the only way to improve.

Well, after reading this title..... I couldn't push the right hand to the screen, even using my left hand to try and force it, to touch the url. X marks the spot for this OP.

james87654 said:

one of the more cogent and contemplative articles i have seen in these parts

brady would be wise to heed his sagacious advice

"You've got to know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away. And know when to run."

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Guess we now know who Bob George or one of his relatives patsfan username is.

Seems like a bit of mixed reaction to this article.

Deus Irae said:

O.K., serious question. I've often wondered, but never asked:

Who the hell is Bob George?

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Last I heard of him he was managing rock stars, including that skinny MF with the high voice. And now he is posting stuff on Patsfams

Wrong Forum; please direct all articles here going forward, Bob:

www.patsfans.com/people-who-were-outcasted-from-the-forum-for-writing-a-dumb-article-at-the-wrong-time.html

His name is actually George Robert IV. He lives in Ridgewood, NJ and is a Jets season ticket holder. He prefers to go by Jorge Robere IV. He began his career as an intern for Shank Shaughnessy at the Globe and then Ronbo Borges at the Herald. He likes animals, rasberry sherbet and opera. He doesn't always **** on the Patriots, but when he does, he prefers Dos Equis.

It is time for Ian to Capitulate and ban Bob George.

So I'm out in Seattle right now. Had lunch with a couple of Seahawks fans and a Bears fan - three really great guys. We got to talking about the SB and deflategate and all that. They thought the whole thinig was overblown - why didn't they just say "oops" and take the fine and who cares?

I told them about the AEI piece, the Times and Post and all that, and they were listening.

Then one guy hit me with, "That's all well and good, but your owner pretty much admitted they cheated."

And there it is. And there, too, is why this Patsfan.com article is an embarrassment to the site.

Bob George is actually the pen name used by Borges and Felger when they want to come on here and troll the fans.

It's the only thing that makes sense. Why Ian keeps giving him the keys to post here is beyond me.

Bob...I think all of us would like this to be over and move on.

Here is a hypothetical...your son just got accused of a heinous crime and thrown in prison. Knowing that he is innocent...are you ok with accepting guilt and punishment regardless?

You can move you and your family to Saudi Arabia if that's the case. We will be ok without you.

Sorry, Bob. Usually enjoy your stuff, but reading this just hurts.

The feds? The colloquialism is typically used for federal agencies, like the FBI, DEA, etc. This procedure ain't that. The 'feds', as you call them, would be the NFL/defendant, not the court overseeing discovery procedures and procedures (the federal court rules on discovery disputes when documents and answers are withheld). If you are remarking on appropriate strategy, then you probably need to research the rules of the game.

At issue would be discovery rules. While civil rules permit broad discovery in contrast to criminal rules of discovery, they do not permit fishing expeditions into irrelevant matters. As you appear to note the issues would be limited by arbitration procedures, you appear not to grasp the principle that relevancy is limited to the issue in question. Narrow issue, narrow discovery. Your conclusion doesn't follow. Broad issue, lots of discovery. Narrow issue, limited discovery.

Having participated in a bunch of arbitration proceedings in federal court, the parties would likely participate in legal argument directed to the authority granted by agreement, followed by attacks on the NFL under the limited theories permissible in the presence of a valid arbitration agreement.

Capitulate now? To what end? Brady may never clear his name, but giving up sure doesn't look like the actions of an innocent man. Your J. Edgar Hoover-type theory that this process may somehow unleash the skeletons from the Pats/BB/Brady closet is pure conjecture, and suggest you think little of the Pats and their practices (ie., they have dark secrets to hide and are better served keeping them buried).

Plenty of reasons to battle. None compelling that I can think of to back down, other than the possibility that Brady could sit out playoff games if the federal process is badly timed. Even then, I would happily watch Brady spank Roger even if that costs the team playoff success. He has more than earned his right to protect his name, having given up plenty for the Pats in his career.

50-yard-line said:

So I'm out in Seattle right now. Had lunch with a couple of Seahawks fans and a Bears fan - three really great guys. We got to talking about the SB and deflategate and all that. They thought the whole thinig was overblown - why didn't they just say "oops" and take the fine and who cares?

I told them about the AEI piece, the Times and Post and all that, and they were listening.

Then one guy hit me with, "That's all well and good, but your owner pretty much admitted they cheated."

And there it is. And there, too, is why this Patsfan.com article is an embarrassment to the site.

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Living out in LA, I get a fair bit of the same. But I just shrug and say "yeah, our owner is a spineless dipshit, unfortunately. Being 'one of 32' is more important to him than doing right by his team. He's a zero-integrity businessman, and that will always come first." Which is where my buddy who's a Raiders fan constantly jumps in and says "bet you wish Kraft had a bit more Al Davis in him, don't you?" and I agree. Because for whatever Kraft does well, I would actually have a bit of respect for him if he had even a shred of Davis' integrity, pride in his team, and willingness to stand up to the league office.

I've talked to fans of a lot of teams out here. Bizarrely, a bunch of people I know/have met are Saints fans, and they're all on board. I think Saints and Pats fans are in a fairly exclusive club of knowing firsthand how much of a duplicitous ****face Roger Goodell is. But even Raiders, Steelers, 49ers and Chargers fans out here are either on board with my perspective or just tell me that to humor me. The only fan who's given me any significant amount of crap is a Packers fan. He's an idiot, though - nice guy, but even by tattoo artist standards he's pretty ****ing dumb.

I wouldn't want you covering my back in a time of need. On a much bigger scale, all of the freedoms we enjoy today are because people had the courage to fight the good fight.

Ivan said:

I think he's on Family Guy.

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ROADHOUSE!

"There is a reason why Kraft laid down his sword in February at the owner’s meetings. It would not be stretching things to suggest that Kraft tell Brady to do the same thing if he cannot win this appeal, which in all likelihood he won’t. Kraft would like this affair, which has gone on far too long, to just be over."
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I hate the fact that I have to explain this to a writer for Patsfans - but I'd suggest Bob George look into the routes of legal recourse that Bob Kraft has at his disposal

If Kraft decides to fight the NFL and question/overturn their anti-trust exemption and authority in this case he's effectively shooting himself in the foot as an NFL owner.

Sure he may win the PR battle but he'd lose the war, creating consequences for his own profitability that go far beyond Deflategate

People can decry Kraft for picking the money over the credibility of his organization, but Kraft also knew this was going to be challenged by Brady in a venue where he can successfully defend his name and in doing so the name of the organization.

This route, with Brady and Kessler challenging the Wells Report, unlike Kraft going after his own league, winds up being a win win - which is likely part of the reason why not only is the "WellsReportInContext.com" still up, but it's still being updated with the blessing and support of Kraft

Kraft let his emotions speak for him when he issued his mandate for an apology but I think once his route of legal recourse was explained to him he had no choice but to back down - though that really doesn't reflect on the strong case that Brady has to make - it just reflects the economics of the NFL

I personally don't fault Kraft for his choice - I think it's understandable that he's choosing not to undermine his own organization's profitability. I know many fans are upset with him because they don't understand the legal nuances - but I'd expect any writer for Patsfans to comprehend this better.

JoeSixPat said:

I personally don't fault Kraft for his choice - I think it's understandable that he's choosing not to undermine his own organization's profitability.

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You stand up and fight for the team and your players...that's what you do. Fans, players and team come before profit...always. Kraft is a disgrace.

I would bet money that Goodell made Kraft worry that the owners would hold a vote and force him to sell the team. He is so timid I wouldn't doubt he bought that, hugged Goodell for putting things into perspective for him and ran scared to the podium to make sure the owners still knew he loved them.

**** capitulation and **** Bob george

JMC00 said:

Does he get paid by PatsFans.com for his articles?

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LOL what a scam if he actually got PAID to write that garbage