Official Brady Appeal Thread: D-Day Tuesday June 23rd

AndyJohnson said:

Well who said Brady was going to talk about science?????
Brady is going to say he did nothing, he is unaware that Dorito Dink and The Deflator ever had any plan, reason or want to deflate balls below 12.5, and that he does not believe the balls were deflated. Kessler will then use science to back up that there is no way Brady would know anything because there was no deflation anyway.

Brady: I didn't commit a crime
Kessler: No crime was even committed

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I never did. My line of argument started pages ago when folks were suggesting that Brady should go in hard on the science. Your second paragraph is basically what I've been saying. Science is the backstop for Brady's strategy today. But the main point is he never told anybody to do anything wrong.

First, with his meal ticket being called a cheater, Kraft sided with the other 31 owners, and gave up, not only leaving Brady out to dry, but also not mentioning his name once.
Since he has not uttered a statement of support for Brady.
A little while ago, when asked if he thought Brady should play in the opened, he refused to support him saying 'players that deserve to play will play".
Today, Brady, through the union asked Kraft to support him by testifying in support of Brady. Kraft had better things to do. They asked him to testify by phone, and he refused.
Anyone who thinks Robert Kraft cares about Brady or the fans is simply in denial.

Ivan said:

No, he's an @sshole for refusing to help Brady by phone, I agree with the post about the preschefuled trip. He has become the worst owner in football for putting himself, his ego, and his membership in the billionaire boys club over his team, their fans, and the GOAT. I have lost all respect for him.

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I don't see the big deal. They can always schedule a conference call if necessary.

PatsFanSince74 said:

I never did. My line of argument started pages ago when folks were suggesting that Brady should go in hard on the science. You're second paragraph is basically what I've been saying. Science is the backstop for Brady's strategy today. But the main point is he never told anybody to do anything wrong.

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I think you must have misunderstood people. I seriously doubt anyone saying Brady should hit the science angle hard actually meant he should do it personally.

AndyJohnson said:

I think one of Wells biggest gaffes was that he added a long series of 'more likely than not' to conclude the end result was more likely than not.
29 things that were 51% likely to happen, when all are necessary for the conclusion is as far from 'more likely than not' as it gets.

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This point has been underreported.

raduray said:

I don't see the big deal. They can always schedule a conference call if necessary.

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Kraft refused to do that.

AndyJohnson said:

First, with his meal ticket being called a cheater, Kraft sided with the other 31 owners, and gave up, not only leaving Brady out to dry, but also not mentioning his name once.
Since he has not uttered a statement of support for Brady.
A little while ago, when asked if he thought Brady should play in the opened, he refused to support him saying 'players that deserve to play will play".
Today, Brady, through the union asked Kraft to support him by testifying in support of Brady. Kraft had better things to do. They asked him to testify by phone, and he refused.
Anyone who thinks Robert Kraft cares about Brady or the fans is simply in denial.

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Gutless Bob USE to be one of US, but no longer.

SVN said:

Whatever happens today, we will still have to wait till august to see a ruling. NFL is going to try and make this as tough and unfair as possible as usual while leaking wrong facts throught that time.

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I think that helps Brady, it should make it easier to get an injunction that puts off any league action until 2016. And that's if he loses in court, which I don't see that happening.

That mobile bit is extremely harsh. But shows just what kind of man Bob Kraft is.

A self glorifying, ungrateful, spineless coward.

I think without BB and the perfect enviroment to compete every year, Brady would've asked for a trade. I mean seriously I'd think 2x playing for someone like that.

AndyJohnson said:

I think one of Wells biggest gaffes was that he added a long series of 'more likely than not' to conclude the end result was more likely than not.
29 things that were 51% likely to happen, when all are necessary for the conclusion is as far from 'more likely than not' as it gets.

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.51^29 = 0.0000000000000000000000000003%
or
.51^29 = Ted Wells is a biased a hole
or
.51^29 = Ted Wells is an idiot

No phones in Israel Bob??? Gutless!!

I've said it before but he can jam trying to sell everybody on Aluminum Seat Bob going forward.

AndyJohnson said:

I think one of Wells biggest gaffes was that he added a long series of 'more likely than not' to conclude the end result was more likely than not.
29 things that were 51% likely to happen, when all are necessary for the conclusion is as far from 'more likely than not' as it gets.

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NashuaPats said:

.51^29 = 0.0000000000000000000000000003%
or
.51^29 = Ted Wells is a biased a hole
or
.51^29 = Ted Wells is an idiot

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Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say only 15 of 29 things (more than half) must have happened. And you're 90% sure they all happened.

Even at 90% certainty, .9^15 means there's an overall 20.6% chance that what you're describing actually happened, which is well under the preponderance of evidence standard. And again, that's at 90% certainty, ie "we're nearly certain that this thing happened" rather than "it's more likely than not that this thing happened".

If your cases for preponderance of evidence hinges on a bunch of different factors that all must be true, then you have to essentially certain that every last one of those things happened in a way that indicates guilt. Otherwise, you'll never even approach an actual preponderance of evidence.

The more conditional factors that your case depends on, the more certain you have to be about each individual one of them. Once you get into the range of even 7 or 8 things that need to have happened, you have to be basically certain that all of them happened to be even 51% sure that it all happened. If there's even 8 factors in play, for example, you have to be 92% sure that each individual factor happened as described just to be 51% certain overall.

AndyJohnson said:

I think you must have misunderstood people. I seriously doubt anyone saying Brady should hit the science angle hard actually meant he should do it personally.

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Doesn't matter anyway.

ESPN obtained June 15 letter from Greg Levy, referencing 4-hour time limit for Brady defense team. Levy said "if good cause shown", in June 22 letter, he would grant up to 1 additional hour.

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Adam leak Schefter

Frankly, a written statement is better for a witness who does not do well on the fly. Given the recent statements by Kraft, I view him as a liability in any hearing when he may be asked to respond to questions he does not know in advance. He did offer a written statement praising Brady's character.

I don't read this decision as necessarily a negative for Brady. And no, I do not view Kraft as the fan's owner. His motivation is money. Not sure I buy the "doesn't care about Brady" because Brady is money to him.

Speaking of denial, there's at least one poster here who claims that Roger is doing what he thinks is "right".

BradyFTW! said:

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say only 15 of 29 things (more than half) must have happened. And you're 90% sure they all happened.

Even at 90% certainty, .9^15 means there's an overall 20.6% chance that what you're describing actually happened, which is well under the preponderance of evidence standard. And again, that's at 90% certainty, ie "we're nearly certain that this thing happened" rather than "it's more likely than not that this thing happened".

If your cases for preponderance of evidence hinges on a bunch of different factors that all must be true, then you have to essentially certain that every last one of those things happened in a way that indicates guilt. Otherwise, you'll never even approach an actual preponderance of evidence.

The more conditional factors that your case depends on, the more certain you have to be about each individual one of them. Once you get into the range of even 7 or 8 things that need to have happened, you have to be basically certain that all of them happened to be even 51% sure that it all happened. If there's even 8 factors in play, for example, you have to be 92% sure that each individual factor happened as described just to be 51% certain overall.

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You frighten and confuse me with your modern ways. I know nothing of this "mathematics" of which you speak, I am but an over-paid attorney.

patsinthesnow said:

ESPN obtained June 15 letter from Greg Levy, referencing 4-hour time limit for Brady defense team. Levy said "if good cause shown", in June 22 letter, he would grant up to 1 additional hour.

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Adam leak Schefter

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Schefter just kicked the NFL's ass. One more log for the fire.

So best bet is Goody doesn't take it back and we go to court? Need to get discovery on these clowns.