Official Brady Appeal Thread: D-Day Tuesday June 23rd

Ring 6 · Jun 23, 2015

Fencer said:
There are at least three possible meanings of "right" here -- best for Goodell, best for the owners as a group, and morally right. I agree with you completely for the first sense of the word mainly for the second sense, and hardly at all for the third.

I think he absolutely acts out of what he thinks is morally right, but has a moral compass that is very askew.

Ring 6 · Jun 23, 2015

Kenneth Sims said:
That is absurd! What the NFL now has authority to charge someone with perjury. What a joke!

I am under the impression that it was Brady's choice, not something ask or demanded of him.

SHOWTIME15 · Jun 23, 2015

goodell was royally pi$$ed at tagliabue when he got overturned in the saints bounty case. the two have not spoken since. in that case goodell had ample evidence against the saints - enough to maintain the team penalties. here goodell does not.

SHOWTIME15 · Jun 23, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
I think he absolutely acts out of what he thinks is morally right, but has a moral compass that is very askew.

goodell thinks with his heart, not his brain.

ViperGTS · Jun 23, 2015

Ivan said:
Courts don't go beyond the scope of what is in front of them, so even if they reverse the Brady suspension they won't get into the team penalties, that would only happen if Kraft went to court and he passed.

If it's about the process, which from what I have heard it would, be then if found to be flawed, then I can't see how it can't be looked at. Or at least give ammunition to the Pats.

Bascially if the process was found to be flawed, the penalties are invalid as well. Someone, or something should be there to advocate for them even if they can't themeselves.

Ross12 · Jun 23, 2015

Wow I came here to check the goings-on but it's 13 pages already... Is there any sort of quick summary anyone can provide?

smurfalarm · Jun 23, 2015

JDot said:
STEVE BURTON @STEVEBURTONWBZ
The Players Union has asked the league for a bunch of discovery with Deflate Gate. Will the NFL provide it? #WBZ

I wonder when they made the request and what they are looking for.

goheels22002 · Jun 23, 2015

Dr Pain said:
Not correct. It is done at a deposition etc...

Correct, but a deposition is sworn evidentiary testimony attached to a specific court proceeding. No one has filed suit against anyone in this instance.

sb1 said:
Is Goodell wearing a white wig like one of those British judges wear?

When Brady was sworn in, he told Goodell that he brought his own Bible. Goodell said that was fine. So Brady was sworn in on the NFL post-season record book.

Deus Irae · Jun 23, 2015

Ross12 said:
Wow I came here to check the goings-on but it's 13 pages already... Is there any sort of quick summary anyone can provide?

Brady's at his appeal. The room has 35-40 people. Posters here are killing time while waiting for something worthwhile to get reported.

YOUGOTMOSSED · Jun 23, 2015

IllegalContact said:
not possible when no legal motions have been filed with the courts.......which would be impossible since there is no law that can even have a motion filed against.....there's not even a place for a sworn affidavit

As long as he tells the truth and doesn't contradict himself in any significant way, who cares?

SHOWTIME15 · Jun 23, 2015

Ross12 said:
Wow I came here to check the goings-on but it's 13 pages already... Is there any sort of quick summary anyone can provide?

only that brady snuck in the backdoor and testified under oath. too many people (about 40) so they had to move to the basement.

smurfalarm · Jun 23, 2015

ViperGTS said:
If it's about the process, which from what I have heard it would, be then if found to be flawed, then I can't see how it can't be looked at. Or at least give ammunition to the Pats.

Bascially if the process was found to be flawed, the penalties are invalid as well. Someone, or something should be there to advocate for them even if they can't themeselves.

Brady doesn't have standing to sue for any remedy on behalf of the Patriots.

Tunescribe · Jun 23, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
goodell thinks with his heart, not his brain.

That heartless bastard? No, he thinks with half a brain.

moosekill · Jun 23, 2015

ViperGTS said:
Gregg Williams admitted to wrong doing. That isn't the case in this instances.

This was always the thing comparing the Saints and deflategate. The Saints set up the bounty system, that was shown, and they were punished for it. It just so happened that it was shown that the players didn't really do anything about it, very few injuries etc. So they weren't punished.

The Patriots were exonerated by the Wells report, it is only Brady and the guys that supposedly deflated the balls that supposedly did anything wrong. If Brady is eventually found innocent, if the balls are proven to not have been tampered with, I don't see how the NFL can continue the punishment of the Patriots.

aluminum seats · Jun 23, 2015

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
ESPN this morning, with Mike & Mike & guest Schefter, was SO AGGRAVATING.

They were all saying "why did we ever get to the point?" and you'd think that they would see two of the big reasons:

The lie to Mort (11 of 12...)
Not correcting the lie to Mort for over three bleepin' months

But no... they ignored that. To take any blame would be ESPN on ESPN crime. Some fans might then have the gall to demand a retraction. just because a story was blatantly untrue!

The media's lack of self-awareness never ceases to appall.

Clonamery · Jun 23, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
goodell thinks with his heart, not his brain.

I was thinking he used a different body part to think.

RunAmok · Jun 23, 2015

smurfalarm said:
I wonder when they made the request and what they are looking for.

This is all about going to court. They know the appeal is a sham so they will get as much as they can and prepare for court. Even though Goodell has lied under oath before, he would have been better off having an arbitrator who could not testify to anything.

JDot · Jun 23, 2015

Ross12 said:
Wow I came here to check the goings-on but it's 13 pages already... Is there any sort of quick summary anyone can provide?

- Brady arrived. Volin claimed he snuck in. Volin was at the wrong door.

- Brady will testify under oath per shefty

- More then 40 people in the room so they moved it to the basement

- NFLPA has ask for discovery documents.

That's about it.

ViperGTS · Jun 23, 2015

moosekill said:
This was always the thing comparing the Saints and deflategate. The Saints set up the bounty system, that was shown, and they were punished for it. It just so happened that it was shown that the players didn't really do anything about it, very few injuries etc. So they weren't punished.

The Patriots were exonerated by the Wells report, it is only Brady and the guys that supposedly deflated the balls that supposedly did anything wrong. If Brady is eventually found innocent, if the balls are proven to not have been tampered with, I don't see how the NFL can continue the punishment of the Patriots.

Wow. Logic. It's amazing.

The Gr8est · Jun 23, 2015

moosekill said:
This was always the thing comparing the Saints and deflategate. The Saints set up the bounty system, that was shown, and they were punished for it. It just so happened that it was shown that the players didn't really do anything about it, very few injuries etc. So they weren't punished.

The Patriots were exonerated by the Wells report, it is only Brady and the guys that supposedly deflated the balls that supposedly did anything wrong. If Brady is eventually found innocent, if the balls are proven to not have been tampered with, I don't see how the NFL can continue the punishment of the Patriots.

That would normally make sense, but the Rats need the Pats to lose those picks if they have any hopes of catching the Pats, so the penalties stick.

Stealing a future HOF CB away isn't likely going to be enough by itself.

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