Official Brady Appeal Thread: D-Day Tuesday June 23rd

Archeryaddict12 · Jun 23, 2015

Well we'll all wait to hear nothing has changed while the media expresses stupidity

PatsFanSince74 · Jun 23, 2015

JMC00 said:
But but but the mediots said Brady and the Union might not be on the same page.

They can be on different pages without being in conflict.

All Brady has to do is convince Goodell that he didn't tell Jastremski and McNally to do anything against the rules and that he had no subsequent awareness of any such actions when he made public statements to that effect. Remember, he's there because the Wells report says that it is "more probable than not" that he had knowledge of their activities. He doesn't really have to get into the debate about the science that suggests the balls were "deflated" unless this goes to Federal Court. So, it's Kessler's job to allow TB to make those points while also indicating that he'll rip the science apart if Goodell doesn't accept Brady's denial.

The Union wants to show that as well, but it also wants to make the case that the League proceeded in an arbitrary manner with its investigation, used bogus scientific evidence to bring down one of its members and then set a precedent by excessively penalizing a team for the purported actions of a member of its union.

Those are different, but complementary agendas.

Ring 6 · Jun 23, 2015

chasa said:
there is no solution here with Roger comes out the winner here, his only bet is to go all in and try and call brady's bluff.

What ever happened to doing the right thing?
People keep talking about what Goodell should make up in order to look good. Why not just tell the truth and admit Wells did a terrible job and there is nothing to support his conclusion.
I dont understand how people think Goodell looks better by lying then losing on court and sayong he tried to screw Brady but the court found the truth,

SHOWTIME15 · Jun 23, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
They can be on different pages without being in conflict.

All Brady has to do is convince Goodell that he didn't tell Jastremski and McNally to do anything against the rules and that he had no subsequent awareness of any such actions when he made public statements to that effect. Remember, he's there because the Wells report says that it is "more probable than not" that he had knowledge of their activities. He doesn't really have to get into the debate about the science that suggests the balls were "deflated" unless this goes to Federal Court. So, it's Kessler's job to allow TB to make those points while also indicating that he'll rip the science apart if Goodell doesn't accept Brady's denial.

The Union wants to show that as well, but it also wants to make the case that the League proceeded in an arbitrary manner with its investigation, used bogus scientific evidence to bring down one of its members and then set a precedent by excessively penalizing a team for the purported actions of a member of its union.

Those are different, but complementary agendas.

they are going to question him extensively about the texts. he better have good answers.

IllegalContact · Jun 23, 2015

I'm looking into the meeting through a windo from across the street........ahhhnold just jumped into the meeting

IllegalContact · Jun 23, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
What ever happened to doing the right thing?
People keep talking about what Goodell should make up in order to look good. Why not just tell the truth and admit Wells did a terrible job and there is nothing to support his conclusion.
I dont understand how people think Goodell looks better by lying then losing on court and sayong he tried to screw Brady but the court found the truth,

that gets hard in the name of collecting 40-something million per year

these guys are a bunch of narcissists

Ring 6 · Jun 23, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
The #Patriots make it known who they are supporting at today's hearing on Instagram.

Kraft owes Brady more than a tweet. He can nevr get back the damage he caused

DefenseRules · Jun 23, 2015

NJPatsfan26 said:
well seeing the pictures of Brady, he sure seems confident.

How else is the man supposed to look.?
He is not accused of murder?
This is so Ridiculous. All this over friggin air in a football. What the hell is this world coming to?

Soul_Survivor88 · Jun 23, 2015

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
During today's appeal, Tom Brady is testifying under oath, per source.

Ivan · Jun 23, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
Wells is not an idiot. He's one of the most successful litigators in the US with multiple big court victories notched on his gun. Like all big time litigators he "wins some and he loses some." He's wrong here, but he's not an idiot.

Exact same argument I made while they were preparing that report, and I also argued repeatedly that he would never risk his reputation by writing a completely biased and unsustainable report. I couldn't have been more wrong on all counts. Wells is a high priced shill who did as poor a job investigating and writing that report as could be done. He willingly damaged not only his reputation but that of his firm to do the NFL's bidding, and he did such a lousy job that it's doubtful the NFL will ever use him again either. So my conclusion is that he actually is an idiot, and his insistence that he was independent investigator after clearly doing the league office dirty work shows that he is actually a clueless idiot at that.

Ring 6 · Jun 23, 2015

IllegalContact said:
that gets hard in the name of collecting 40-something million per year

these guys are a bunch of narcissists

But we are talking about peoples advice to Goodell or opinion of how he should or will act based ipon his own self interest. Why would supporting a clearly stupid conclusion only to be proved wrong in court be best for him?

Fencer · Jun 23, 2015

YOUGOTMOSSED said:
I suspect this is going to be more like a settlement conference than an appeal.

Kessler, "Hi Roger. We're going to kick your ass in court. But before we do, we're graciously giving you this final opportunity to come to your senses and back down. Any popularity hit you take now will pale in comparison to the consequences of court proceedings."

Actually, there's one kind of circumstance under which Brady might agree to a game of suspension in a settlement -- if part of the deal is to drastically reduce the team penalty, along with the league issuing a statement sharply circumscribing what the penalties are for.

Non-cooperation? Unfair, but it can be a good business decision to settle about it.
McNally taking the balls out of the referees' locker room? Technically, a violation.

If the league is clear that that is ALL the penalties are for, a settlement could actually happen.

PatsFanSince74 · Jun 23, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
they are going to question him extensively about the texts. he better have good answers.

That's what the Appeal will come down to. The texts, the long phone call and the meeting in the QB room. He has to convince Goodell that there is another explanation for all of that other than that TB knew about activities that broke the rules either before or as a result of those events.

Personally, I'm biased, but I think there is such an explanation. I think that he put a lot of heat on Jastremski and McNally to have the balls the way he liked them on game day. But, I don't think he ever told them to break the rules or knew they were breaking any rules if they were. I think he just states that as the truth.

The wrinkle is whether one or both of them told him they had broken the rules after the fact. Remember, neither of them had to go to Law School or pass an IQ test to get jobs as Equipment boys.

Brady wants to be able to stay away from the science unless he goes to Federal court. His agenda today is to convince Goodell that he's telling the truth.

JDot · Jun 23, 2015

EDIT: Already posted

Patsfanin Philly · Jun 23, 2015

shmessy said:
Wow, one of his attorneys is the Bride of Frankenstein!

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That makes sense since the case is being heard before a zombie. and his top aides are blood sucking vampires...

The Gr8est · Jun 23, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
During today's appeal, Tom Brady is testifying under oath, per source.

Does anyone else have to be under oath or do Goodell et al get to lie with impunity?

Horace's Ivories · Jun 23, 2015

i dont get it - testifying under oath to what?

sb1 · Jun 23, 2015

Schefter says Brady is testifying under oath.

Good. Maybe that means Wells does too, and we can find out why he didn't properly investigate the "11 of 12" leaker

Fencer · Jun 23, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
He's one of the most successful litigators in the US with multiple big court victories notched on his gun.

The same was true of John Edwards.

These guys aren't idiots compared to the entire population at large. But in certain roles they can be intellectually inadequate for what they need to do.

The same is true of Roger Goodell himself. I am certain his intelligence is, strictly speaking, above the median for the entire US population.

IllegalContact · Jun 23, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
But we are talking about peoples advice to Goodell or opinion of how he should or will act based ipon his own self interest. Why would supporting a clearly stupid conclusion only to be proved wrong in court be best for him?

you'd have to ask the same question after he paid $5M for the Wells report

the man has a knack for driving these things into walls..........arrogance, I guess

the only thing that would make any sense today is an offer by goodell to remove the suspension and fine brady for not cooperating

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