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We have yet to find a single scientist to back up Exponent's claims.
We have found many that have refuted them or called their study unscientific / inconclusive.

Having Wells as the interpreter of a study that he paid for and when his interests are now solely on maintaining that his report is accurate means Wells is not a fair person for Goddell to count on if Goddell is really interested in the truth.

The NFL is the same organization that paid scientists to publish papers refuting concussion claims, and then the NFL claimed those papers -- which were a minority and had obvious special interests in mind -- deemed the science of concussion effects inconclusive.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/league-of-denial/

After seeing the Wells report, as well as the NFL and Goddell's past actions, I have no reason to believe that finding the truth is their primary motive
 
Unless goodell feels pressure to dump on wells case, there won't be any suspension drop or games cut. There gonna hang onto this as far as they can and are gonna take their chances in court
 
I read somewhere that we probably won't know Goodell's decision for a month.....WTF !

Sounds like a BS ploy to drag this out into late in the season if TB takes it to court. ( Which I hope he does if not completely exonerated)

Guess we have to just wait and see how much of an ( expletive deleted) Goodell and his cronies are.....
 
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 54s54 seconds ago
Additionally, my understanding is Wells will give his view of the AEI report, which doesn't exonerate Brady, but claims NFL's case is flawed
To say the AEI Report doesn't exonerate Brady is like someone accusing Brady of being involved in a high speed hit-&-run collision yesterday and then saying "well the fact that there isn't a single scratch on his car doesn't exonerate him."

I may not know what Tom Brady was doing yesterday, but the fact that the most important piece of evidence (his car) shows no signs of collision pretty much exonerates him 100%.

{insert Brandon Spikes joke here}
 
Wells isn't even a very good person to defend his report against the criticisms from AEI. Wells can answer questions about the interactions he had with the NFL and Exponent (specific requests, drafts, etc), the assumptions he made when creating the report, which evidence he chose to include or leave out, and the details of how he executed his portion of the investigation and reached his conclusion. But he doesn't really have the capability to explain or defend the Exponent study in detail, first because he didn't write the study and second because he doesn't have scientific expertise to explain it anyway. If you ask him, "Why do the derived numbers in this table not match the regression equation?" or "Why did the study use two team variables instead of one in the regression model?" or "Why does your report use the p-value from the exploratory statistical test instead of the p-value from a test that includes explanatory variables?" I'm doubtful that he will be able to answer accurately. They should really have at least two actual expert witnesses here, one study author each from Exponent and AEI to explain their respective studies and respond to criticisms.
 
What's interesting to me, wrt Wells, Exponent and AEI, is that Wells is a lawyer who performed an investigation. His investigation included scientific analysis by a third party, which reached its own conclusions used by Wells in the report.

If Breer is to be believed, what in god's name should Wells have to say about the AEI report, and why does it matter? He's not a scientist, he's not with Exponent. If this 'independent investigator' angle is to be believed (and honestly, who still believes that?) then the ONLY thing Goodell could ask Wells about the AEI report is how much, if at all, that report would have changed his overall conclusions. Because Wells does not have the scientific credentials to debate one report or another, that data should only be analyzed by the experts, with Wells using the conclusions to aid the main investigation.

If Wells is asked about the contents of the AEI report in any capacity then it'll be obvious (if it isn't already) that this 'appeal' is a complete sham.
 
Wells isn't even a very good person to defend his report against the criticisms from AEI. Wells can answer questions about the interactions he had with the NFL and Exponent (specific requests, drafts, etc), the assumptions he made when creating the report, which evidence he chose to include or leave out, and the details of how he executed his portion of the investigation and reached his conclusion. But he doesn't really have the capability to explain or defend the Exponent study in detail, first because he didn't write the study and second because he doesn't have scientific expertise to explain it anyway. If you ask him, "Why do the derived numbers in this table not match the regression equation?" or "Why did the study use two team variables instead of one in the regression model?" or "Why does your report use the p-value from the exploratory statistical test instead of the p-value from a test that includes explanatory variables?" I'm doubtful that he will be able to answer accurately. They should really have at least two actual expert witnesses here, one study author each from Exponent and AEI to explain their respective studies and respond to criticisms.
For me, the perfect outcome would be if Roger caved after Brady and his legal team to bring all kinds of dirt to the appeal and tell Roger they'll bring it all to court if Brady isn't fully exonerated. Then after full exoneration, they bring Roger and the NFL to court anyway.
 
Don't be too hard on little Albert. He' as dumb as a post and just posting what his league source said verbatim.
 
If Kessler is allow to cross examine Wells, Brady may actually end up getting that public apology.
The Wells report is so blatantly slanted and directed at a preconceived verdict, he would have to simply lie in answering all of the questions about the process of the investigation.
The Goldberg report raised a lot of them for Kessler, the one that stood out to me the most, was the Exponent interaction, including the drafts, and changes, considering their report was dated the day of the Wells report, yet Wells wrote a 250 page report revolving around it.
 
The key thing to keep in mind is that none of this--the "hearing," potential court proceedings, etc.--are about "searching for the truth" or anything close. It's all theater.

Observe everything with that in mind and it will be much less cardiac-inducing.
 
***snip*** They should really have at least two actual expert witnesses here, one study author each from Exponent and AEI to explain their respective studies and respond to criticisms.

Completely agree, I hit on that same point in my post below yours. And with that said, I wonder who is allowed to invite participants to the appeal: is it just Goodell presiding over the proceedings, plus the player appealing and his legal team, plus whoever Goodell feels should be in the room? Or are Brady/Kessler/NFLPA able to bring their witnesses/participants to the appeal?

I'd want someone from both Exponent and AEI in the room if I'm Brady/Kessler: the Exponent rep to explain the faulty calculations cited by AEI and explain why they didn't adjust the Colts halftime balls; the AEI rep to basically tear the Exponent data to shreds and explain why NO DEFLATION OCCURED. Nail in coffin, I don't give a flying **** what Wells has to say about any of this, the texts mean nothing when the science exonerates the Patriots.
 
What's interesting to me, wrt Wells, Exponent and AEI, is that Wells is a lawyer who performed an investigation. His investigation included scientific analysis by a third party, which reached its own conclusions used by Wells in the report.

If Breer is to be believed, what in god's name should Wells have to say about the AEI report, and why does it matter? He's not a scientist, he's not with Exponent. If this 'independent investigator' angle is to be believed (and honestly, who still believes that?) then the ONLY thing Goodell could ask Wells about the AEI report is how much, if at all, that report would have changed his overall conclusions. Because Wells does not have the scientific credentials to debate one report or another, that data should only be analyzed by the experts, with Wells using the conclusions to aid the main investigation.

If Wells is asked about the contents of the AEI report in any capacity then it'll be obvious (if it isn't already) that this 'appeal' is a complete sham.

My thoughts exactly. I am sure that Goody has asked Wells to prepare for discussions around AEI and to have rock-hard rebuttles. If he has them, Goody can change the punishment. If he can't, its Rocky II.
 
"This report doesn't exonerate Brady. It just proves that the entire basis on which we convicted him was pure nonsense". God, Wells is such a piece of ****.
 
this is annoying me more and more especiallly seeing ted wells face being splashed across again everywhere. NFL wins again with all the drama. And they will milk the results of the hearing for another month or two iam quite sure via leaks before releasing it .
 
"This report doesn't exonerate Brady. It just proves that the entire basis on which we convicted him was pure nonsense". God, Wells is such a piece of ****.

  1. Dealing with the science: Done
  2. Dealing with the texts: "Never once does anything say I told anyone to illegally deflate footballs. The only time I specifically told anyone to do anything was when I told them to show the officials the NFL rule on football pressure, because your officials screwed up and put 16 PSI into the damned things."
  3. Dealing with the phone issue: "Sod off, unless you've got a warrant. I've answered every question, but you're not getting my personal phone."
If that's not good enough, it'll be "higher appeal" time.
 
Kevin Manara...keep an eye on this snake. Didn't distinguish himself in the Ray Rice hearing.

NFL senior labor relations counsel Kevin Manara, who was assigned specifically to take notes, wrote that “he slapped her; fell; knocked herself out.” However, Judge Jones was “not persuaded that [Manara’s] notes reliably report that Rice used the words ‘knocked herself out.'” She reasoned that Jones’ notes use “slapped” when the majority of witnesses said Rice used the word “hit,” and she pointed to Manara’s concession that the notes describing the assault were not “verbatim.” It’s a subtle way of rejecting the credibility of Manara’s notes without attributing a reason or motive for the lack of credibility.

Adolpho Birch is another talking head. Also came out of the Ray Rice situation looking like an idiot.

NFL senior vice president of labor policy Adolpho Birch strongly disagreed Monday that the league's two-game suspension of Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice for his domestic violence arrest was too light.

Birch, appearing Monday morning on ESPN Radio's "Mike and Mike," responded to criticism via traditional and social media about the penalty, which was handed down Thursday and stems from Rice's arrest after he allegedly struck then-fiancée Janay Palmer unconscious in an Atlantic City casino hotel elevator in February.

"Listen, I think if you are any player and you think that based on this decision that it's OK to go out and commit that kind of conduct, I think that is something that I would suggest to you that no player is going to go out and do that," Birch said Monday. "So in terms of sending a message about what the league stands for, we've done that. We can talk about the degree of discipline, we can talk about whether or not third parties need to be involved. I would suggest to you that a third party has been involved in this matter and that was the court that reviewed it, the prosecutor that reviewed it.

"But if it is a question about what the principle of the league is and what standards we stand by, that cannot be questioned. I think it is absolutely clear to all involved that the NFL does not condone domestic violence in any way and will not tolerate it in our league. I don't know how you can reach a conclusion other than that although I certainly respect the opinion."
 
Not that I think the science will be a driving issue because the league "believes" that the Pats have been deflating balls like forever, but were I Kessler I would NOT have an AEI guy there. Let their report independently speak for itself. I WOULD have the most erudite, layman speaking PhD (including some from Patsfans) there to address any stats & science point. I'd prefer a statistician to a physicist because it's accepted by all that the Ideal Gas Law altered the balls. What's in question is boggus application of statistical analysis by Exponent as well as ignoring the fact that balls in a warmer than outdoor room approach equilibrium.
 
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