Tom Curran: "Brady will Rag Doll the NFL's Case!"

RobertWeathers · Jun 22, 2015

1960Pats said:
In my opinion, any violation that results in injuries to opposing players is very serious, whether or not it leads directly to a SB title.

I agree.

Based on what I have read, the evidence never was able to correlate injuries to "Bounties"

If the NFL just came out and said, "Saints- you are circumventing the cap" Goody would have saved himself a lot of embarrassment.

RelocatedPatFan · Jun 22, 2015

robertweathers said:
I agree.

Based on what I have read, the evidence never was able to correlate injuries to "Bounties"

If the NFL just came out and said, "Saints- you are circumventing the cap" Goody would have saved himself a lot of embarrassment.

How about even more generic. "Saints, you've made negative press for the NFL, we're going to enforce our right to punish you."

vyrago · Jun 22, 2015

robertweathers said:
Hmm. I'm not a legal-eagle but it sounds like because the NFL never retracted/discredited Mort's report, an argument can be made. However, the NFL can say that there are not grounds for malice as the intent was not to commit libel vs Brady.

How about Mort? Has he retracted his report or even admitted that it was in error? He has to know by now that he was parroting NFl garbage. Like to know who supplied him with those incorrect psi figures.

RobertWeathers · Jun 22, 2015

vyrago said:
How about Mort? Has he retracted his report or even admitted that it was in error? He has to know by now that he was parroting NFl garbage. Like to know who supplied him with those incorrect psi figures.

I think ESPN did eventually say that 11 of the 12 balls were fine. It just never came from Mort.

YOUGOTMOSSED · Jun 22, 2015

1960Pats said:
I can't believe that people think this is just going to go away once football starts. Kraft has seen to it that this issue will follow the Pats and Brady forever. You'll be the next great Marvel superhero with the amount of trolls you'll be fighting off.

I like discussions about everything.

I'm still waiting for one of the legal experts to explain the idea that law schools teach, that there's no such thing as right or wrong. How does that fit in a legal system that punishes citizens for wrongs committed against society?

Well, in law school, they teach us about a bunch of rules and standards that sound nice and look good on paper.

In practice, we cross our fingers and hope we don't get assigned to a judge that disregards the law, disregards the fact, and/or is simply bought off by the other side.

FirstAndGoal · Jun 22, 2015

So I just read Volin's latest article about this crap.

I just don't understand why the point keeps being missed that if the evidence points to NO CRIME, then why do the text messages even matter?

I keep hearing about text messages... If I say to my brother "I'm going to kill you" but I don't kill him, am I guilty of murder?

If you discredit the science and can't even determine if the balls were tampered with, who cares about the text messages? This is something out of the twilight zone and I'm surprised how lacking in general intelligence the media is.

JMC00 · Jun 22, 2015

1960Pats said:
I can't believe that people think this is just going to go away once football starts. Kraft has seen to it that this issue will follow the Pats and Brady forever.

And it wasn't if Kraft fought it? Come on. Even if Kraft fought and won people would still say it. They're the same idiots that think the Pats were doing illegal formations and cheated against the Ravens because the Ravens cried about it.

JMC00 · Jun 22, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
So I just read Volin's latest article about this crap.

I just don't understand why the point keeps being missed that if the evidence points to NO CRIME, then why do the text messages even matter?

I keep hearing about text messages... If I say to my brother "I'm going to kill you" but I don't kill him, am I guilty of murder?

If you discredit the science and can't even determine if the balls were tampered with, who cares about the text messages? This is something out of the twilight zone and I'm surprised how lacking in general intelligence the media is.

Because that's all these people have is the text messages. It's why wells withheld the May "deflator" text during McNally's interview, so there could be no context given

Which when you actually look at the text messages it still is weak. McNally says deflator in May so people think he was doing it since at least then. But then there is the jets game where the balls were 16 PSI, if they were letting air out of the balls after the refs checked them then those balls would have never been 16 PSI and Brady would have never told Jastremski about the 12.5-13.5 rule.

RelocatedPatFan · Jun 22, 2015

JMC00 said:
And it wasn't if Kraft fought it? Come on. Even if Kraft fought and won people would still say it. They're the same idiots that think the Pats were doing illegal formations and cheated against the Ravens because the Ravens cried about it.

Quiet, you might give the troll media types some ammo to say that the Patriots used an illegal formation. Because you know, it's not not legal to do so even if it was at the time...the haters want to believe

FirstAndGoal · Jun 22, 2015

JMC00 said:
Because that's all these people have is the text messages. It's why wells withheld the May "deflator" text during McNally's interview, so there could be no context given

Which when you actually look at the text messages it still is weak. McNally says deflator in May so people think he was doing it since at least then. But then there is the jets game where the balls were 16 PSI, if they were letting air out of the ball after the refs checked the then those balls would have never been 16 PSI and Brady would have never told Jastremski about the 12.5-13.5 rule.

Yes, but the text messages support an event that likely didn't happen? It's idiotic.

You have the physical evidence that says the balls were "unlikely tampered with" so if the texts were really to "deflate" the balls, the McNally failed at the task he was given. So this case is one where the NFL has texts (let's assume for this argument that they are telling McNally to deflate the balls - illegally) telling him to deflate the balls and he didn't. So the punishment is for failing to deflate the balls... brilliant NFL reasoning.

JMC00 · Jun 22, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
Yes, but the text messages support an event that likely didn't happen? It's idiotic.

You have the physical evidence that says the balls were "unlikely tampered with" so if the texts were really to "deflate" the balls, the McNally failed at the task he was given. So this case is one where the NFL has texts (let's assume for this argument that they are telling McNally to deflate the balls - illegally) telling him to deflate the balls and he didn't. So the punishment is for failing to deflate the balls... brilliant NFL reasoning.

Anyone with an unbiased view sees this for the sham that it is. It also shows why mediots earned that moniker. They would rather disregard science and ideal gas law for out of context text messages.

PatsDeb · Jun 22, 2015

YOUGOTMOSSED said:
Well, in law school, they teach us about a bunch of rules and standards that sound nice and look good on paper.

In practice, we cross our fingers and hope we don't get assigned to a judge that disregards the law, disregards the fact, and/or is simply bought off by the other side.

I don't know if I am as cynical as YGM, particularly on the "bought off" stuff, but I will say that a lot in law depends on the judge (or jury) you get and there isn't a more true statement, than "anything can happen," and often does. That's why there are so many settlements of legal disputes (both criminal and civil) - nobody wants to take the chance of someone else deciding their fate. We all think Brady "should" eventually win out, but there's no guarantee he will, and he is not up against someone willing to see the flaws in his own case and settle accordingly. Depressing, really...

Deus Irae · Jun 22, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
Yes, but the text messages support an event that likely didn't happen? It's idiotic.

You have the physical evidence that says the balls were "unlikely tampered with" so if the texts were really to "deflate" the balls, the McNally failed at the task he was given. So this case is one where the NFL has texts (let's assume for this argument that they are telling McNally to deflate the balls - illegally) telling him to deflate the balls and he didn't. So the punishment is for failing to deflate the balls... brilliant NFL reasoning.

It's even more ridiculous than that, because of the October texts.

RobertWeathers · Jun 22, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
So I just read Volin's latest article about this crap.

I just don't understand why the point keeps being missed that if the evidence points to NO CRIME, then why do the text messages even matter?

I keep hearing about text messages... If I say to my brother "I'm going to kill you" but I don't kill him, am I guilty of murder?

No but it makes you a suspect only if he dies in a unnatural way around the time you sent the messages. Thats the other challenge here. The timeframe for the "deflator" texts do not align with the the deflating. Plus the prosecutors would want to establish a motive.

FirstAndGoal said:
If you discredit the science and can't even determine if the balls were tampered with, who cares about the text messages? This is something out of the twilight zone and I'm surprised how lacking in general intelligence the media is.

Yes- Seeing that the balls deflated in a natural way, the texts are irrelevant.

The NFL established the narrative. The balls were deflated and people sent texts saying "deflate". Time lines, context and motive be damned.

YOUGOTMOSSED · Jun 22, 2015

PatsDeb said:
I don't know if I am as cynical as YGM, particularly on the "bought off" stuff, but I will say that a lot in law depends on the judge (or jury) you get and there isn't a more true statement, than "anything can happen," and often does. That's why there are so many settlements of legal disputes (both criminal and civil) - nobody wants to take the chance of someone else deciding their fate. We all think Brady "should" eventually win out, but there's no guarantee he will, and he is not up against someone willing to see the flaws in his own case and settle accordingly. Depressing, really...

I practice law in hell (otherwise known as NYC court system). If I am cynical, it's simply because I am a product of my environment.

rochrist · Jun 22, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
So I just read Volin's latest article about this crap.

I just don't understand why the point keeps being missed that if the evidence points to NO CRIME, then why do the text messages even matter?

I keep hearing about text messages... If I say to my brother "I'm going to kill you" but I don't kill him, am I guilty of murder?

If you discredit the science and can't even determine if the balls were tampered with, who cares about the text messages? This is something out of the twilight zone and I'm surprised how lacking in general intelligence the media is.

Yeah, the latest thing in the local media that's driving me nuts: 'It's not the crime, it's the coverup.'

Hey morons. If there WASN'T ANY CRIME, THEN THERE CAN'T BE A COVERUP!

Koma · Jun 22, 2015

rochrist said:
Yeah, the latest thing in the local media that's driving me nuts: 'It's not the crime, it's the coverup.'

Hey morons. If there WASN'T ANY CRIME, THEN THERE CAN'T BE A COVERUP!

That's just another piece of the large, baffling puzzle that people are willing to blindly accept. After months of media scrutiny, a 200 page investigative report and subsequent reports, what has been "covered up" in this situation?

(Actually, I can think of a couple of things, but none of them were done by the Patriots.)

Hammer of Thor · Jun 22, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
So I just read Volin's latest article

I think I identified the problem.....

If we want to get intelligent analysis in our reporting, we need to stop clicking on authors who have proven themselves lacking in that ability, as Volin clearly has shown to be. Media is driven by clicks, we need to start giving more credence to the people who deserve it rather than the hacks. That explains the problem in all of our media today.

rochrist · Jun 22, 2015

Koma said:
That's just another piece of the large, baffling puzzle that people are willing to blindly accept. After months of media scrutiny, a 200 page investigative report and subsequent reports, what has been "covered up" in this situation?

(Actually, I can think of a couple of things, but none of them were done by the Patriots.)

Well, according to Felger, Brady lied, lawyered up and tried to hide his communications from the perfectly natural desire of the league to read them ALL.

Deus Irae · Jun 22, 2015

rochrist said:
Well, according to Felger, Brady lied, lawyered up and tried to hide his communications from the perfectly natural desire of the league to read them ALL.

I used to listen to Felger/Mazz under 3 circumstances:

I was inside and the WEEI feed wasn't coming over the internet or was in commercial
I was in the car and WEEI was in commercial
I knew that Felger/Mazz was interviewing someone I wanted to hear

I no longer listen, even under those circumstances. If I'm inside in my office, I just switch to a music site. If I'm in my car, I switch to a rock or Alternative station. If I know there's an interview, I just deal with the fact that I'll miss it (and, since I don't even listen during commercial/down times, I almost never know about any upcoming interviews anyway). Felger's trolling has just gotten too blatant, and over the top, for even limited doses.

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