Ravens Still Spooked

captain insano said:

decieved us

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The didn't even deceive them. Every time the Pats lined up like that the ref signaled who the ineligible reliever was. Not anyone's fault but his, his coaching staff and his players for that. If that happens to a BB coached team he tips his cap to the other team and gets on his players.

Deus Irae said:

Guiding them to 6 playoff appearances, 3 AFCCG appearances and a SB win in 7 years, with Joe Flacco as his QB rather than a Manning/Brady level guy, might be a pretty damned good reason why.

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That SB win was a joke. Seriously. Torn biceps or pec or whichever and back in 6 weeks? The Ray Ray show? Nah man, jump ball Joe and leading the league or near then top in PI doesn't equate to success. They whine about ticky tack plays yet all they do is toss up air balls to draw flags. Thats not football.

ViperGTS said:

That SB win was a joke. Seriously. Torn biceps or pec or whichever and back in 6 weeks? The Ray Ray show? Nah man, jump ball Joe and leading the league or near then top in PI doesn't equate to success. They whine about ticky tack plays yet all then or is toss up air balls to draw flags. Thats not football.

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Don't go there: it's foolish, because excuses are everywhere. This is the same Ravens team that was a dropped pass from going to a second SB (and denying the Patriots a trip there) during that time, and the same Ravens team that just had Brady's Patriots down 14 points this past AFCCG.

Meanwhile, the Patriots won "because the Seahawks didn't hand the ball to Beast Mode"* and only beat the Rams because they were "holding on every play"*.



*Quotes are combinings of multiple people's comments in the past, and not directly attributable quotes

aluminum seats said:

My favorite part is "we won't assume the refs will understand."

Uh, John, the refs DID understand...you and your team didn't.

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That is pure freaking gold. Obviously the players of the Baltimore Ravens are the ones that should be worried. Because they can not assume that their head coach will know the rules of the sport that he is payed millions of dollars every year to coach.

Deus Irae said:

Don't go there: it's foolish, because excuses are everywhere. This is the same Ravens team that was a dropped pass from going to a second SB during that time, and the same Ravens team that just had Brady's Patriots down 14 points this past AFCCG.

Meanwhile, the Patriots won "because the Seahawks didn't hand the ball to Beast Mode".

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It's nowhere near foolish. How do you manage that? So having an offense based on jump ball Joe isn't a sad way to win games? Especially when they blab about "manning up and playing football -T Suggs"? Those his words, not mine. Pot calling the kettle black.

You know dam well the Pats were caught sleep walking in the divisional round. For whatever reason. Are they a good team? Sure. Make less restrictive PI rules (pre 05) and the Ravens offense would be near the bottom of the league. That is fact.

ViperGTS said:

It's nowhere near foolish. How do you manage that? So having an offense based on jump ball Joe isn't a sad way to win games?

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Not if it works.

ViperGTS said:

Especially when they blab about "manning up and playing football -T Suggs"? Those his words, not mine. Pot calling the kettle black.

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That is playing football. You're actually claiming that throwing deep passes isn't manning up and playing football? I don't like the balloon tossing either, but to say it's not football is idiotic.

ViperGTS said:

You know dam well the Pats were caught sleep walking in the divisional round. For whatever reason. Are they a good team? Sure. Make less restrictive PI rules (pre 05) and the Ravens offense would be near the bottom of the league. That is fact.

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Now you're just posting nonsense.

Deus Irae said:

Not if it works.



That is playing football. You're actually claiming that throwing deep passes isn't manning up and playing football? I don't like the balloon tossing either, but to say it's not football is idiotic.



Now you're just posting nonsense.

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I never said throwing deep wasn't football. When it's a heave and pray for a call offense, then that's not football. Huge difference there. Brady to Moss wasn't pass to draw flags. It was pass for TDs.

Again, you glossed over the PI rules. That offense would not succeed if the PI rules were pre '05. Brady to Moss would.

Belichick living in yet another overmatched coach's head, rent-free.

ViperGTS said:

I never said throwing deep wasn't football. When it's a heave and pray for a call offense, then that's not football. Huge difference there. Brady to Moss wasn't pass to draw flags. It was pass for TDs.

Again, you glossed over the PI rules. That offense would not succeed if the PI rules were pre '05. Brady to Moss would.

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It's a team that won by throwing to Boldin and S. Smith, and by using Ray Rice in his prime. You choose to ignore that because it doesn't suit your narrative. The balloon toss was part of it, but it was not the only reason they won. They won because they played good football.

And I mentioned the balloon toss, so don't tell me what I glossed it over, when I didn't gloss it over.

BradyFTW! said:

Belichick living in yet another overmatched coach's head, rent-free.

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Harbaugh's 3-5 against the Patriots, and the games have generally been close (i.e. OT loss, dropped TD pass at end). Saying he's been overmatched is not reflective of what's actually happened.

What a pathetic organization..just like the colts and jets

Deus Irae said:

It's a team that won by throwing to Boldin and S. Smith, and by using Ray Rice in his prime. You choose to ignore that because it doesn't suit your narrative. The balloon toss was part of it, but it was not the only reason they won. They won because they played good football.

And I mentioned the balloon toss, so don't tell me what I glossed it over, when I didn't gloss it over.

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Do they even get to that game with the jump ball offense if PI calls were more restrictive. Answer=no.
What you have glossed over is if that offense would succeed pre -05. That's twice you've convienently sidestepped that statement. Montana Rice would succeed anytime. Brady, Rodgers etc would as well. Would jump ball Joe? Hell no.

Last seasons 16 for 335 yards for the Ravens. Pats second at 11-182.

ViperGTS said:

Can't get over it. The hoodie is EVERYWHERE. Can you imagine what it's like to know stuff like this is happening league wide because of you. I don't even think Lombardi, Brown, Parcells, Walsh or anyone else EVER caused such psychological harm.

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I think he meant that they were working on situational football -- probably including situations which are now illegal.

Wordsmyth said:

John Harbawl: poster child for outcoached weenies.

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No way. Has to be pagano. Harbaugh at least give us a fight. The colts on the other hand just pull down their pants and bend over.

Danger Zone said:

Arent the Ravens masters of the under thrown go-route to get an automatic PI call?

Their own cheating/pushing the rules makes them paranoid that others are getting away with something just like they are..

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I would love to see a sound fx with belichick explaining this. "Look! There's nothing new that we haven't seen from them. Just cover the under thrown ball!"

nabwong said:

I would love to see a sound fx with belichick explaining this. "Look! There's nothing new that we haven't seen from them. Just cover the under thrown ball!"

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And yet, the Ravens still got a long PI call against us during that very game doing that very thing.

Danger Zone said:

And yet, the Ravens still got a long PI call against us during that very game doing that very thing.

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I mean you can't control execution. But to see BB call them out would be nice. Maybe also use the words "jump ball joe"

I have to say I have always found wrinkles on pre-snap formations to be fascinating. You see a lot more of this sort of thing at the college level - especially on extra points - and I love it. Here are things very few people outside this forum seem to realize:

- You have to have 7 men on the line of scrimmage, but they can be spread out as far and wide as you want
- The new rule states that any player with an eligible number lining up ineligible must be in the tackle box. The Patriots can still run the exact same play if they put an ineligible player in the Vereen position
- The man who snaps the ball does not have to be in the middle of the 7 men on the line of scrimmage. He has to be one of the 5 ineligible guys, but can be any one of those 5
- The ball does not have to be snapped through the center's legs. They can do the ole "Swinging Gate". I would love to see Belichick figure out a wrinkle here

ViperGTS said:

Can't get over it. The hoodie is EVERYWHERE. Can you imagine what it's like to know stuff like this is happening league wide because of you. I don't even think Lombardi, Brown, Parcells, Walsh or anyone else EVER caused such psychological harm.

I love it.

Although, maybe Herr Goodell can start an investigation. Psyche-gate.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ugh-ravens-are-working-on-illegal-formations/

P.s- John they already changed the rules. But BB is so deep in your psyche you don't realize it.

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Still surprised taking an intentional safety wasnt made illegal after that Donkey's game.