Is it the structure or the commissioner?

fair catch fryar · Jun 18, 2015

Interesting conversation on CSNE Early Edition tonight between Andy Hart and Gary Tanguay. First of all, I am not a fan of either of these guys. I find Andy Hart to be pompous and condescending and Tanguay just be simply put, a twerp. I agreed with Andy Hart that the fault lies in the position of commissioner. Roger Goodell is incompetent and seems to have ulterior motives in his position as the "Supreme Commander" and Tanguay argues it is the structure. It is true that too much power is placed in the hands of one individual, but with the right person it is much more efficient and effective. In the structure of the NFL it seems that a commissioner with no power is just a figure head. I just thought it would illicit some interesting viewpoints around here as I'm pretty confident how we all feel about Roger around here, but should the postiion be taken down a notch to allow more checks and balances or is it just missing an individual with the right mix of charisma, judgement, and business acumen all rolled into one to carry the NFL forward. Thoughts?

woolster22 · Jun 18, 2015

You need an option for "all of the above." Honestly, if they can't find a competent commish, there needs to be a competent person handling discipline, or at the very least hearing the appeals from both the owners and the players.

Bobsyouruncle · Jun 18, 2015

I don't think the problem is that the commissioner isn't capable of weilding his integrity hammer efficiently. The problem is that there never really was an integrity hammer. There's just some spoiled children who want to smash their competitors, and use the commissioner to do so. The "integrity of the game" canard is just post hoc rationalization for acting like children. They don't care about integrity of the game, and they aren't doing anything for it anyway.

farn · Jun 18, 2015

Maybe he is fooling us all. "Roger, we'll give you many millions if you take the fall every single time we mess up"

Otherwise, how could someone this incompetent rise to this level ?

Silver Blue&Red · Jun 18, 2015

woolster22 said:
You need an option for "all of the above." Honestly, if they can't find a competent commish, there needs to be a competent person handling discipline, or at the very least hearing the appeals from both the owners and the players.

You beat me to it. I thought the same thing immediately. The league talks about integrity? When TB is gone, so is integrity. The NFL has gone the way of Jerry Springer.

Silver Blue&Red · Jun 18, 2015

....BTW, I really can't stand the word "integrity" anymore. How can the MFL even mutter that word? What a joke. It's up there with "you must acquit"

PATS16N0 · Jun 18, 2015

fair catch fryar said:
Interesting conversation on CSNE Early Edition tonight between Andy Hart and Gary Tanguay. First of all, I am not a fan of either of these guys. I find Andy Hart to be pompous and condescending and Tanguay just be simply put, a twerp. I agreed with Andy Hart that the fault lies in the position of commissioner. Roger Goodell is incompetent and seems to have ulterior motives in his position as the "Supreme Commander" and Tanguay argues it is the structure. It is true that too much power is placed in the hands of one individual, but with the right person it is much more efficient and effective. In the structure of the NFL it seems that a commissioner with no power is just a figure head. I just thought it would illicit some interesting viewpoints around here as I'm pretty confident how we all feel about Roger around here, but should the postiion be taken down a notch to allow more checks and balances or is it just missing an individual with the right mix of charisma, judgement, and business acumen all rolled into one to carry the NFL forward. Thoughts?

It's not the structure. That's ********. The leader sets the tone for everybody. Goodell is corrupt and incompetent and thats the "structure" that rises around him. It's how it works with everything.

Jackson 2 · Jun 18, 2015

I agree. Hart is pompous and condescending. He's also much smarter than Tanguay, which doesn't mean he's a genius by any stretch. Tanguay is as dumb as a rake handle. I agree with Hart, but I think it's more than simply Goodell.

Tunescribe · Jun 18, 2015

It arguably is both the way the position is structured and the individual currently holding it. I think the league needs an independent commissioner not beholdin' to the owners. But on the other hand, R. Stokoe Goodell has ample autonomy to fashion the tone and often the mission of his office. On balance he is not a highly principled individual and has done a bad job as "steward" of the game.

RobertWeathers · Jun 18, 2015

Goodell is not the right guy. Pick a successful CEO of the F500 company and he'd blow Goody out of the water.

IcyPatriot · Jun 18, 2015

NFL is making millions due to the TV contracts ...

the NY people in the NFL office are all plugged into the TV people ....

Goodell gets muscled around by the NY people and their biases ........

Goodell is but a lapdog ........ that gets more TV $$$ ... keeps him in power.

Kraft also knows this ... thus his penis and balls shrivel and he supports Goodell.

Did I miss anything?

Rob0729 · Jun 18, 2015

Paul Tagliabue basically had the same power as Goodell and I can't remember any scandals like Spygate, Bountygate, Deflategate, Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson, etc. Every high profile case Goodell is involved with turns to crap because of the way he handles it. I find him a disgrace.

MagicMarker · Jun 18, 2015

It's Goodell. Someone COULD attempt to be fair, or set up the process to be fair, but he doesn't.
I usually go by the old adage to never assume malice when incompetence can also explain it. I don't know in this case which it is.....I just don't think he understands the job and that causes it to be both.

He learned the wrong lesson from the Ray Rice case. That blew up in his face because he lost control of the public perception. So, this time, he made sure that didn't happen. False information was leaked to mold public opinion and then the Wells Report was released for a few days so he could see which way public opinion was going. When it was decidedly anti-Patriot, he pounced.

I also think he believes "defending the shield" means coming down hard on any accusation of cheating and he thinks that is more important than "getting it right". Time and time again, he seems to be more interested in PR than getting it right.

What is that? Malice or incompetence? I think both.

The problem for him is the public will support the punishments against the Patriots. Once the picks are paid and Brady is suspended, people will come after the next big target. The bully. Roger Goodell. He won't have the support he had before. And, that will be it.

If Brady takes him to court and they take away his right to hear appeals because he has abused the CBA, he's gone.

fair catch fryar · Jun 18, 2015

woolster22 said:
You need an option for "all of the above." Honestly, if they can't find a competent commish, there needs to be a competent person handling discipline, or at the very least hearing the appeals from both the owners and the players.

Should've thought of that. Thanks.

Rawky77 · Jun 18, 2015

fair catch fryar said:
Interesting conversation on CSNE Early Edition tonight between Andy Hart and Gary Tanguay. First of all, I am not a fan of either of these guys. I find Andy Hart to be pompous and condescending and Tanguay just be simply put, a twerp. I agreed with Andy Hart that the fault lies in the position of commissioner. Roger Goodell is incompetent and seems to have ulterior motives in his position as the "Supreme Commander" and Tanguay argues it is the structure. It is true that too much power is placed in the hands of one individual, but with the right person it is much more efficient and effective. In the structure of the NFL it seems that a commissioner with no power is just a figure head. I just thought it would illicit some interesting viewpoints around here as I'm pretty confident how we all feel about Roger around here, but should the postiion be taken down a notch to allow more checks and balances or is it just missing an individual with the right mix of charisma, judgement, and business acumen all rolled into one to carry the NFL forward. Thoughts?

IMO it is the background more than anything else. Tags was a Lawyer, Roger has a marketing background. Tags thinks like a Lawyer, Roger thinks like a soap salesman. Tags also understood NFL* Locker room culture, Roger acts like a locker room culture.

Joker · Jun 18, 2015

why are you guys bashing that wonderful man who made the cover of Time magazine????

Deus Irae · Jun 18, 2015

The position is a problem, because it's not really a man in charge of the league. It's a man in charge of doing what the owners want, which is obviously a different thing. That would be fine if they kept his powers limited, and the position stuck mostly to keeping an eye on the 32 teams and the playability of the game, but he position is currently designed to do much more than that.
The person is a problem, because he's not up to the job. He wanted/demanded more power, and he can't handle it. No commissioner should have anything to do with non-football related issues involving players, but this asshat shouldn't have authority over anything more significant than whether or not he puts salt and pepper on his entree.
Screw the NFL for allowing this asshat to get to where he is. These owners knew what he was before this last CBA, yet they still gave him the powers he now has.
Screw the NFLPA for caving on the CBA.

Joker · Jun 18, 2015

yes, I heard that also.It is reported by a now complete 4 month report that R Stokoe Goodell is "more probably than not" an asshat. Wearing your ass for a hat is a misdemeanor, I believe, in which case, uh, I think 10 years in Leavenworth and a 44 million dollar fine would be appropriate.

Deus Irae · Jun 19, 2015

For Goddell so loved the NFL he gave his one and only son... Roger 3:16

https://twitter.com/willblackmon/status/598120569649778689

DarrylS · Jun 19, 2015

As much as I blame Goodell and believe he is the consummate power hungry azzhole, have to take a hard look at the NFLPA.. they just negotiated a contract for 10 years, and allowed him to continue with the same structure.. they could have demanded a change in the discipline policy, but acquiesced that authority for better deals for the established players and less money for the rookies..

IMO if and when this gets to Federal Court, the whole structure of Goodell's azz clown circus might have to be changed.. as due process seems to be violated..

Is it the structure or the commissioner?

Is it the structure or the individual?

It is the structure. The NFL should create a new psoition that allows for more "checks and Balances"

It is the individual. Goodell is incompetent and needs to put out with the trash and replaced now.

Screw the NFL.

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