Reports: Brady wants entire suspension removed, and is seeking to be fully exonerated

flasox27 · Jun 18, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
I think the kind of analysis that was in the AEI report would qualify as "new information," but I think all Brady has to do is give Goodell any reason at all to vacate the suspension, including just showing up and being polite.

As you observe, the critical thing is that Brady has to be completely exonerated and not just have his suspension lifted. I don't think that Kessler, the NFLPA or Brady will be in any mood to "compromise" for the very good reason that they don't have to compromise in the matter of Brady's culpability.

I also have the feeling that we might not have heard the last of this from Kraft, who has been updating his anti-Wells web page almost every day.

Had Kraft appealed without the hammer of a threat to take the League to Court, his Appeal would have dominated the news for weeks before being rejected by Goodell earlier this month. As a result, the press would now be all over Brady for the Patriots' not accepting their punishment and continuing to "whine."

Instead, the little press there has been has been in Brady's favor for the last couple of weeks and the focus is completely on Brady's appeal and the nonsense in the Wells report.

If you think Kraft is going to verbally or otherwise support Brady after the hearing against his best buddy and his 31 partners, you are dreaming. Kraft has drawn a firm line between his friends and partners and his employees which he doesn't cross. To protect Goodell and the shield he has and will throw anybody under the bus. You can still see the treadmarks on BB's back from 2007 and Brady will fare no differently.

obgod3 · Jun 18, 2015

Deus Irae said:
That makes no sense

I agree but then again nothing with this makes sense. I just think everyone here thinks it is a slam dunk and I bet it isn't. I also said before the report came out that we might be betting wrong, and we all did.

Should we be that confident he plays game one, Im not.

Should we be confident Brady gets an injunction, Im not.

Guys on here think a independent arbitrator will slam dunk this but Im not so sure because I dont believe anyone is unbiased in some way.

Not arguing your point because I agree it doesn't make sense but.....

BTTA · Jun 18, 2015

VectorPrime said:
Imagine how much help Kraft could offer Brady in terms of the information he undoubtedly knows about the inner workings of the league and how corrupt it is. Even if he had to do it in an indirect way because of league agreements. You know, if he actually gave a s.hit. But he hasn't even verbally supported Brady one bit aside from his BS comment about how he hopes that the players who deserve to play are able to play.

Perhaps if he is doing the former, he can't do the latter publicly at this stage.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Jun 18, 2015

obgod3 said:
Guys on here think a independent arbitrator will slam dunk this but Im not so sure because I dont believe anyone is unbiased in some way.

The problems with the Wells report are so glaring that a little bias is not going to tip it the wrong way. The arbitrator would have to be flat-out crooked/ on the take to not see that the more-likely-than-not threshold is not met

Silver Blue&Red · Jun 18, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
Sorry... but the picks are gone my friend

I'm not so sure about that at this point. If TB wins this thing, the penalty is null and void, no? Maybe Kraft is a little smarter than we think. This thing is far from over. Stay tuned

PatsWickedPissah · Jun 18, 2015

Silver Blue&Red said:
I'm not so sure about that at this point. If TB wins this thing, the penalty is null and void, no? Maybe Kraft is a little smarter than we think. This thing is far from over. Stay tuned

No

But regardless, how was Kraft surrendering forthwith smart?

Silver Blue&Red · Jun 18, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
No

But regardless, how was Kraft surrendering forthwith smart?

I don't agree with him surrendering. But maybe he knows that doing so would end the media circus, which it actually did, somewhat. And he appeased the owners because, well, he's an owner. Maybe "surrendering" allows TB to continue his fight and vindicate himself, without the look of Kraft using his influences to manipulate the outcome. It seems like a lot of steam is building on the "BSgate" front. I don't know, but I've been feeling a lot better about this mess lately. I just might watch football again. We'll see

Fencer · Jun 19, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
No

But regardless, how was Kraft surrendering forthwith smart?

The argument is that Kraft had no legal recourse, so all his choices related to PR and the court of public opinion. That far, I buy it.

Then I guess it would continue that he is playing possum, and will hit back later. That part I don't buy.

Deus Irae · Jun 19, 2015

Fencer said:
so all his choices related to PR and the court of public opinion.

Well, he clearly **** the bed with those.

Joker · Jun 19, 2015

The ones who have to fight back are US, Patriot fans.

Goodell uses absolute prevarications as "evidence". We should do the same.He has brought shame and anguish into OUR lives with contempt for us and our families. We should show him the exact same contempt.

Fencer · Jun 19, 2015

Joker said:
The ones who have to fight back are US, Patriot fans.

Goodell uses absolute prevarications as "evidence". We should do the same.He has brought shame and anguish into OUR lives with contempt for us and our families. We should show him the exact same contempt.

A website devoted solely to proving NFL dishonesty in this matter could be useful. Just cherrypick the cases where dishonesty is proven, such as the back and forth about whether the Wells Report would cover league activity (Goodell said yes, but that isn't in the report, and there's the Patriots' counsel's claim that they explicitly said it wouldn't), the falsified statistical analysis, the 2 PSI fake leak, etc.

Joker · Jun 19, 2015

your "problem" Fencer is you are an extremely intelligent and HONEST man...after all these years , I KNOW what kind of person you are. This is not about being honest.

This is a fight waged in the muck. A lowest common denominator fight. He is playing on the basest emotions of the howling mob. If this was 1850, he'd be screaming "Lynch 'em!" in the town square to hundreds of hoots and howls and Camptown Races fiddle playing.

This is a battle that will be waged in cyberspace and won by turning the exact same strategy HE and NFL offices uses back on THEM. A concerted effort of electronic correspondence across all the comm platforms directed to the federal government should wake up the sleeping federal investigatory giant. It doesn't have to be TRUE that a question of federal legality being broken is reported, only that it IS reported....from hundreds if not thousands of sources. Even 1% of the Patriot fanbase across the country hitting *send* would be an avalanche of complaints. THAT gets noticed.

Let's see how he and his cohorts on Madison Avenue like it when the forensic arms of the FBI and IRS come knocking.

obgod3 · Jun 19, 2015

Deus Irae said:
As long as you realize that you're being over-the-top I suppose that's the best we can hope for....

Well (and im not being nasty here) tell me you predicted how Wells would interpret the investigation as he did and tell me you predicted the punishments the Pats and Brady received. Thats all Im saying, none of us expected the results as they are today so why would anyone be surprised if this doesn't play out like all the forum lawyers here expect it to?

obgod3 · Jun 19, 2015

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
The problems with the Wells report are so glaring that a little bias is not going to tip it the wrong way. The arbitrator would have to be flat-out crooked/ on the take to not see that the more-likely-than-not threshold is not met

Like Wells

? What Im saying is I dont trust this process at all until we get the outcome we want and until then Im extremely skeptical we get the result we want.

RunAmok · Jun 19, 2015

obgod3 said:
Like Wells ? What Im saying is I dont trust this process at all until we get the outcome we want and until then Im extremely skeptical we get the result we want.

If an independent party was hearing the appeal, like Tagliabue in bountygate, I might be more apprehensive. While Tags did overturn some of the NFL's punishment, he left all the team penalties in place and actually came down hard on the coaches. I am sure that Roger though Tags would 100% support his decision and must have been surprised. Hmmm, now that I type that I wonder if Goodell knows his case is so weak he could not trust this to any reasonable person to arbitrate.

shmessy · Jun 19, 2015

flasox27 said:
If you think Kraft is going to verbally or otherwise support Brady after the hearing against his best buddy and his 31 partners, you are dreaming. Kraft has drawn a firm line between his friends and partners and his employees which he doesn't cross. To protect Goodell and the shield he has and will throw anybody under the bus. You can still see the treadmarks on BB's back from 2007 and Brady will fare no differently.

How did Kraft "throw BB under the bus" in 2007? If anything, BB had to apologize profusely to Kraft back then for being (in Kraft's words) " a schmuck" for disregarding the written point of emphasis.

BB, as anyone knows, is his OWN man and will leave the very moment he feels his owner is not behind him. Do you believe he is someone who will stick for 8 more years and hug someone he feels threw him under a bus?

Anyone who knows one scintila about Bill Belichick knows that would never happen.

You seem more upset of BB's treatment by Kraft than BB is:

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obgod3 · Jun 19, 2015

RunAmok said:
If an independent party was hearing the appeal, like Tagliabue in bountygate, I might be more apprehensive. While Tags did overturn some of the NFL's punishment, he left all the team penalties in place and actually came down hard on the coaches. I am sure that Roger though Tags would 100% support his decision and must have been surprised. Hmmm, now that I type that I wonder if Goodell knows his case is so weak he could not trust this to any reasonable person to arbitrate.

I kind of agree. my problem with all this is I dont know who to trust, since we all know the hate for the Pats in general nationally and the overall feeling out there (other than Pats fans) that this is just a continuation of spygate and sets a pattern, I wonder who will be non-biased. Maybe Im not saying it right but all Im trying to convey is that we dont know who Brady is going to get when it goes beyond Rodger and that unknown should worry us a bit. I think most of us thought the Wells report would leave the NFL with nothing to go after our team with, we know that didn't work out. I can tell you that no one here in Colorado believes Brady. I think it is important to note that Rodger picked Tags, he didn't get the result he thought he would so will he be more careful this time, I would bet on it.

Anyway thanks for your input it is good stuff.

PatsFanSince74 · Jun 19, 2015

flasox27 said:
If you think Kraft is going to verbally or otherwise support Brady after the hearing against his best buddy and his 31 partners, you are dreaming. Kraft has drawn a firm line between his friends and partners and his employees which he doesn't cross. To protect Goodell and the shield he has and will throw anybody under the bus. You can still see the treadmarks on BB's back from 2007 and Brady will fare no differently.

My position on this has been consistent since early May.
I have been vocally critical of Kraft for giving up his right to Appeal as my many posts to that effect attest, but have said that I will keep an open mind about his true intent until all the cards have been played.

varjao · Jun 19, 2015

What is necessary to bring the FBI attention to this case, given that they are pretty active in sports investigations recently? FIFA guys being arrested, the Cardinals hackgate...Ok that those are much more serious because it's about money laundering, bribery and hacking. Anyway deflategate seems to have a lot of dirty and it's a case of public interest. Thousands of kids and their families have their life influenced by the game and the possibility of becoming a player. The dimension of the Superbowl...we are not talking about a private poker club. It's the most popular sport in America that is being managed by corrupt people.

Deus Irae · Jun 19, 2015

obgod3 said:
Well (and im not being nasty here) tell me you predicted how Wells would interpret the investigation as he did and tell me you predicted the punishments the Pats and Brady received. Thats all Im saying, none of us expected the results as they are today so why would anyone be surprised if this doesn't play out like all the forum lawyers here expect it to?

Go back and see what I wrote about Wells and how I didn't trust him because of the Miami investigation.

As for how the forum lawyers expect this to play out, I see most of them being unsure because of the CBA issues.

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