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"Deflate and give somebody that jkt"

Wells report happily says this was "another reference to deflating footballs" when it was clearly shown that is not what it was talking about at all. I mean just looking at it doesn't even raise any such questions.

If you need any hard evidence that the report's conclusion was already predetermined no matter what was found - there you go.
 
I love this whole thing. Ive been holding my ground with everyone here (in jersey) that TB will be vindicated. And thats the only way I continue watching NFL reality TV
 
Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
That's typical, though, even for completely ethical scientists, at least for a study that gets completed and published. Let me explain.

1) The payer asks you, the expert, to do a little literature work & study what is at the crux of the dispute, so that you can give them an informed scientific opinion (with no real lab work, jut your thoughts) on the matter.

2) Based upon your initial thoughts, they decide to pay you to do a full study or not. If they decide "not" because you tell them that they might not be right, then you are thanked and paid for your time. Your thoughts never get shared with anyone else. I've done this- told them that they may be wrong, and our work together was done. They decide either go to someone else as an expert or decide that "gee, maybe we should try to settle".

3) If they decide "do the study" then you start. They ask you to contact them at the very first hint of anything that may not fit their theory. If this happens, they tell you to stop right now. Then you are thanked and are paid for your time. Your preliminary results never get shared with anyone. I've done this too- told them that my preliminary data makes it look like they may be wrong, and so our work together was done. They either go to someone else as an expert or decide that "gee, maybe we should try to settle".

4) If everything looks to be supporting their theory, you complete all of the work and write it up in a neat little package that you then have to defend in deposition and in court. These are the studies that get published & shared. They only make it to the end if they generally agree with what the payer wanted or at least contradict some of the claims of the other side. Otherwise, all parties would have bailed out much, much sooner.

I can only guess that Exponent was not willing to settle for the low pay they would have gotten if they stopped work as soon as they realized that if Walt Anderson's memory as to using the logo gauge is right, then they had NOTHING. They instead tried and tried to wiggle in the wind until they could hand-wave their way through a halfassed argument and get paid in full.

Or maybe Exponent wan't even the first lab to look at it, but Wells thanked the others and paid them for their time, then those thoughts/preliminary results (not fitting with his agenda?) were never shared with anyone else. Remember when they were supposed to be working with Columbia? What happened there?
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I'm with you, but the dude made a point to say that their research is unbiased and sometimes produces results that don't support the funder. When someone asked him to name one, he couldn't.
 
SVN said:
The mike walsh tapes were shown later. Majority of the film contain SD cheerleaders. Wish they had released the tapes. But the media at that time including people like steve young were spreading the rhetoric - "They can go back into halftime ,check the signals and boom,,know where the blitz is coming from " . The irony is that no one blamed brady or dimished brady's credentials even though according to them he benefitted the most
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At least one of those Pats tapes is still available:
http://deadspin.com/383677/jay-glazer-owns-the-nfl

And while we are on the camera-gate subject, this is one article worth reading multiple times:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pygate-punishing-success-and-promoting-parity
 
Dr Pain said:
The Jets had filmed the Patriots the same way at the last game in Foxboro and the Patriots stopped them. The Patriots told this to the NFL after spygate broke but the jets responded that the Patriots had given permission, the Patriots said they had not but guess who the NFL decides to believe?
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The amazing thing about that is it should not have mattered at all who the NFL believed. The Jets never denied doing it, just the Pats gave them permission. So by that, the Jets admitted to breaking the rule. And the NFL said it was ok cuz the Pats "gave them permission". When is it ok for an NFL team to allow another teams to break an NFL rule? The Pats were penalized for breaking a rule that the NFL clarified prior to the season. So the Jets should have been held to the same standard as the Pats, but were not. The jets should have known it was an NFL rule, not an individual teams rule. But they gave a bogus reason for breaking it and the NFL covered it up with no penalties and/or investigation.
 
MitchKumstein said:
I stopped listening to the DB a few months ago when I noticed that he spent 3 weeks bashing the Patriots over Revis' departure after he spent about 2 days talking about the Super Bowl win.

However last week I was auto-scanning radio channels in my car when it landed on DBs show. Literally in the 4 seconds that my radio was on The Sports Hub I heard him say "...and the sooner that Brady accepts his 4 game suspension the better off the team will be for it..."

Why people still chose to listen to his shtick I'll never know
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Agreed. There are posters here ( not referring to you) who openly wonder how anyone can listen to Felger, tell us they stopped listening to him eons ago and then, sometimes in the same post, complain to us in detail what he said 10 minutes ago. Still trying to figure that one out...:)
 
JarOfMayo51 said:
It angers me almost as much as deflategate does that people still can't see Felger for what he is and continue to tune in to give him ratings and success.

Just go find some clips from the Comcast sports net post-superbowl show where he was with Ty Law, Dan Koppen and someone else... The Patriots just won the Superbowl in amazing fashion about 10 minutes earlier and everyone is smiling, etc... everyone except for 1 person... Felger.. who looked MISERABLE and just had a look on his face like he just saw a ghost or something.

He was genuinely irritated and upset that the Pats won the SB, because he knew it would be harder for him to spew all of his BS about the team and BB's decisions now that they won a 4th.

How anyone who calls themselves a Pats fan can listen to the sewage that comes out of that guys mouth is beyond me. He's a pathetic, weasely troll that DOES NOT LIKE the Patriots, even though the Pats are what has created and sustained his entire career.

STOP LISTENING TO THAT PIECE OF SH*T! For the love of God just excersize some discipline and stop making that guy more money! PLEASE!
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As others have mentioned, I used to like listening to Felger and Mazz. The thing that put me over the top to stop listening to him was the day after the superbowl and how much Felger was trying to water down Brady's accomplishments. He must have mentioned about a dozen times that Brady was now being called the greatest QB in history based solely on Bulters interception. And if Butler didn't INT the ball and the Hawks won, Brady's was not the greatest. No mention of how Brady played in the game. The 4th qtr. 10 point comeback or the fact that he is the only QB to EVER to that in a SB. No mention of the 2-14 point comebacks he had against the Ravens in the same playoffs. Nothing. Just the Butler int. Cuz if Felger actually mentioned the on field production, the discussion would end there.

Like Tom Brady has more 4th qtr 10 point playoff comebacks then Manning, Montana, Rodgers, Marino, Elway and Farve do combined in all their playoffs game played. Let that sink in for just a minute!

Or, Tom Brady, according to profootballreference.com, is credited with 6 playoff 4th qtr comebacks. More then Montana (5), Elway(4), Marino (3), Farve (2), Manning (1) and Rodgers (1). And 9 playoff game winning drives. More then Elway (6), Montana (5), Marino (4), Farve (2), Manning (1) and Rodgers (1). In fact, the average 4QC for the 6 QBs mentioned is 2.6. Versus Brady with 6. GWD's, 3.1 versus Bradys 9.

Part of me is actually glad deflategate happened. It has made me even stronger in my conviction that Brady is the best QB ever, but now I don't think its even close anymore.
 
stevedogc said:
As others have mentioned, I used to like listening to Felger and Mazz. The thing that put me over the top to stop listening to him was the day after the superbowl and how much Felger was trying to water down Brady's accomplishments. He must have mentioned about a dozen times that Brady was now being called the greatest QB in history based solely on Bulters interception. And if Butler didn't INT the ball and the Hawks won, Brady's was not the greatest. No mention of how Brady played in the game. The 4th qtr. 10 point comeback or the fact that he is the only QB to EVER to that in a SB. No mention of the 2-14 point comebacks he had against the Ravens in the same playoffs. Nothing. Just the Butler int. Cuz if Felger actually mentioned the on field production, the discussion would end there.

Like Tom Brady has more 4th qtr 10 point playoff comebacks then Manning, Montana, Rodgers, Marino, Elway and Farve do combined in all their playoffs game played. Let that sink in for just a minute!

Or, Tom Brady, according to profootballreference.com, is credited with 6 playoff 4th qtr comebacks. More then Montana (5), Elway(4), Marino (3), Farve (2), Manning (1) and Rodgers (1). And 9 playoff game winning drives. More then Elway (6), Montana (5), Marino (4), Farve (2), Manning (1) and Rodgers (1). In fact, the average 4QC for the 6 QBs mentioned is 2.6. Versus Brady with 6. GWD's, 3.1 versus Bradys 9.

Part of me is actually glad deflategate happened. It has made me even stronger in my conviction that Brady is the best QB ever, but now I don't think its even close anymore.
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Yea I use to listen to him as well after work, but this season and especially in the playoffs I couldn't stand him. I eventually said enough is enough, it was obvious what he's all about and I haven't tuned them in sense for more than the 3 seconds or so it takes to auto scan past the station

They went on and on about how if the Pats came out of that 6 game gauntlet at 4-2 or worst case 3-3 they'd be in great shape.. they went 5-1 and lost an incredibly close game against the Packers on the road and Felger was LOSING HIS MIND that Pats fans and callers weren't jumping from rooftops after that loss and astonished that no one was angry about it. He was trying to use that loss to **** all over the team like they were some big joke losing to the "tomato can" packers

It doest surprise me that he was watering down Brady after the SB, because at the beginning of the year they were on a campaign to cut/trade Brady.. it lasted well into week 5 or 6, like a parrot he just kept saying to trade Brady away because he can't help them win a SB and Jimmy G can replace him, etc etc...
then Brady has an historic playoff run and Felger tries to downplay it.. why am I not shocked in the slightest? Oh yea because the guy is a slimey, naysaying piece of garbage
 
SVN said:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/May/14/sp/hawaii805140422.html
http://www.kboi2.com/sports/18896629.html
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Thanks for the links SVN.

What is sad is this line in that Honolulu site:

" "For the past three-and-a-half months, we have been defending ourselves against assumptions made based on an unsubstantiated report rather than on facts or evidence," the Patriots said in a statement."

The poor Pats; doing the same thing again after 8 years.

If only the NFL had immediately corrected BSPN's C***t Mort's false 'news' that 11 out of 12 footballs were under-inflated by 2psi, things would have taken a far far different course.

Instead the NFL purposefully failed to act and has the audacity to claim 'integrity'.

What a slap in the face for those of us who do know the meaning of that word.
 
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NYCPatsFan said:
Thanks for the links SVG.

What is sad is this line in that Honolulu site:

" "For the past three-and-a-half months, we have been defending ourselves against assumptions made based on an unsubstantiated report rather than on facts or evidence," the Patriots said in a statement."

The poor Pats; doing the same thing again after 8 years.

If only the NFL had immediately corrected BSPN's C***t Mort's false 'news' that 11 out of 12 footballs were under-inflated by 2psi, things would have taken a far far different course.

Instead the NFL purposefully failed to act and has the audacity to claim 'integrity'.

What a slap in the face for those of us who do know the meaning of that word.
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As I said, the NFL office wanted the pats punished because there are people there who dont like the pats, not necessarily goodell. So they withheld and manipulated the facts so they could open an investigation. Goodell was played like a puppet by his people. There has been no official release of the official readings only the wells report, so who knows what happened.
On one hand , wells says that the nfl was informed day earlier from grigson but ignored it because such stuff comes all the time. And on the other hand, the pats are 'caught' doing it in the game next day with no supervision of the footballs and just because brady threw an INT? Not to mention goodell and blandino all said they had no knowledge of this earlier inspite of wells himself noting that the colts sent the email before the game. As expected NFL has done a terrible job look inward at all its operations which even more supports the fact that wells report was written for the client.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-pa...ngland-Patriots-and-Tom-Brady-keeps-deflating

The plain truth -- which we’ve stated -- is that Goodell got lashed to the front of a runaway train by his minions on the scene in Foxboro for the AFC Championship Game. They began an investigation and leaked bad information on a presumption. Within hours of the game’s end, there was no way for Goodell to apply the brakes. Hiring Wells, paying $5 million for a bag-job investigation, and handing down unprecedented penalties just got the train moving faster.
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SVN said:
As I said, the NFL office wanted the pats punished because there are people there who dont like the pats, not necessarily goodell. So they withheld and manipulated the facts so they could open an investigation. Goodell was played like a puppet by his people. There has been no official release of the official readings only the wells report, so who knows what happened.
On one hand , wells says that the nfl was informed day earlier from grigson but ignored it because such stuff comes all the time. And on the other hand, the pats are 'caught' doing it in the game next day with no supervision of the footballs and just because brady threw an INT? Not to mention goodell and blandino all said they had no knowledge of this earlier inspite of wells himself noting that the colts sent the email before the game. As expected NFL has done a terrible job look inward at all its operations which even more supports the fact that wells report was written for the client.

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You say Goodell is a victim of his underlings here.

I do not give him a pass on that yet as I find it believable that he was a willing participant.
 
Jackson 2 said:
Agreed. There are posters here ( not referring to you) who openly wonder how anyone can listen to Felger, tell us they stopped listening to him eons ago and then, sometimes in the same post, complain to us in detail what he said 10 minutes ago. Still trying to figure that one out...:)
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It's not that hard. I don't listen to Felger, but I do drive bys, regularly enough to ge5t the gist of his crap, but certainly I'm not there enough to 'make him money' in any way shape or form. Particularly since I'm not measured in terms of ratings, and I never listen to any of his advertisers. It isn't as though he has a web site and I'm clicking on it.

It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it!
 
The Gr8est said:
You say Goodell is a victim of his underlings here.

I do not give him a pass on that yet as I find it believable that he was a willing participant.
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I think you can believe his minions are at fault here while also holding Goodell responsible for not getting ahold of the runaway train and getting it back on track. As steward of the league, employed by 32 owners to protect the integrity of the NFL and that of the franchises, he has an obligation to investigate wrongdoing but also to protect teams when they've been wrongly accused and get in front of the media, not let them drive the bus.

The infamous Mort report was never corrected, and Wells and the NFL kept the Patriots from releasing the correct psi levels when they were allowed to see them nearly 2 months after the AFCCG. Goodell didn't speak for days after the bogus report, and then all he said was they're taking the allegations seriously and issuing an 'independent' investigation. A competent commish would have looked into the simple but incredibly critical fact of psi readings, and seen the initial report was false. A competent commissioner would then have ordered a leak or press release of the correct numbers.

We're dealing with incompetence here. Maybe some malice from the Kensil's of the world, and maybe even some from Goodell who obviously gave the Jets a slap on the wrist for a clear violation of the tampering rules. But mostly with Goodell it's incompetence imo. He just doesn't know how to REALLY protect the integrity of the league...he's doing a great job protecting his own ass and keeping the real story quiet (why did Indy measure the Pats ball and why weren't they penalized for that? Why did no one in the league and none of the officials know about temp effects on the psi of footballs? Who leaked the bogus '11 out of 12 footballs' to Mort?), but he's flat-out unqualified to hold his position, and time and time again he's allowed these minor issues become full-on scandals.
 
The Gr8est said:
You say Goodell is a victim of his underlings here.

I do not give him a pass on that yet as I find it believable that he was a willing participant.
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I think Kensil started this on his own but once in motion Goodell became a more than willing participant. Kensil got his wish and screwed the Patriots big time and Goodell got to play bad ass and got love from all the haters. Now it's up to Brady and Kessler to throw gasoline on their party and burn the league office down. Burn baby burn.
 
I'll bet it was a week or more afterwards before anyone got through to Goodell the mere concept that pressure drops with temperature and that 12.5 psi at 70F is not going to be 12.5 psi at 90F or 12.5 psi at 50F, or even below.

But once that was made clear to him (assuming that someone eventually penetrated his layer of "yes men"), it is unconscionable that he didn't apply the brakes on this investigation and say "hold on.... you're saying that maybe nothing happened here?"

Goodell, though, was in CYA mode and/or gotcha mode after the initial goof, that was then jet-fueled by the lie, a lie that seemed a powerful enough to sell a false narrative, if he could then find the right group of data-fudgers.

When did it become willful on his part?

1) You can argue it was game day or before (sting!),
2) you can argue that it was when the Mort lie got out, or
3) you can argue that it was when somebody decided that the Mort lie should NOT be corrected but be allowed to inflict maximal damage.

#3 makes the most sense. I think the Mort lie was a Kensil , Pash, or Vincent thing

Certainly by the time that Wells was hired, Goodell had to have known that there were "issues" that the Wells folks needed to find a way to cover up, and that means RG has got to go. ASAP.
 
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