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i give credit to our veterans past and present. i guess im a dope.

Thank you for supporting my statement captain!!

You support all veterans as do I. Giving credit to our veterans has nada to do with the topic of GENERATIONS buddy.
 
SF running a tight ship i see....

I feel for 49ers fans. The team has a great history but in the last decade has gone from joke to Super Bowl contender back to joke. I'm disappointed I'll never see a Harbaugh 49ers v. Patriots Super Bowl matchup.
 
The state of our children is no accident. The intentional poisoning of culture to produce selfish, desensitized people that lack empathy began in the early 1900s. As mass media improved and spread, the effects of the poisoning accelerated. Now, most of our population is so divided, distracted and desensitized that they can be controlled easily though their greed, and barely even notice as we torture and kill one another while destroying the planet. In fact, many of us revel in the suffering of groups that we have been taught to hate. It is the greatest of all tragedies.
 
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After WWII that generation had a lot of advantages that the current generation does not. It was unimaginable to buy a house back then and lose money.. it was just the opposite, you could buy a house, sell it 10 years later for a crazy, crazy profit and buy a bigger, better house. Rinse and repeat. It was easier to build your assets and wealth back then, and you could have a single income from an average job and take care of a family of 4 with 2 cars in the garage.

Investment opportunities aren't there either with some government bonds that would yield a 9% return and pay put every 6 months.. those are a thing of the past.

Yes this generation is a bit more entitled, but we have to work just as hard for half as much these days. My last job I was working as a tech. Proj. Manager and the expectation as a salary based employee was to basically have my job be my life..I was working 70-80 hours a week, having to set my alarm at 2am to wake up and run scripts etc, and they didn't even pay me what the market was paying for my position, nor did they pay overtime and only gave 2 weeks of vacation a year for a highly stressful job... and when you tried to take a vacation day, you were met with scorn and disappointment, and encouraged to either not take the time, or bring your work laptop on vacation with you so that you could follow up on emails etx... after all, who doesn't want to continue WORKING on their vacation right? How dare us entitled kids want to enjoy a vacation after a year straight of 70+ hour work weeks!!

I took the job with an understanding that after a year of proving myself they would significantly increase my pay..
Well, a year later I had 33% of the companies accounts, including the top 5 biggest ones that paid the most money, and I was training new project managers and was the team lead.. they were hiring new Proj managers in at $10-$15k more a year than I was being paid because they desperately needed more to handle the growth and because there was so much turnover in the company.. I asked for a raise and was basically laughed at.. so my "entitled" self took a week long vacation, came back and put my 2 week notice in. They were shocked.

I'm making significantly more at my new job now, with a 40 hour work week but I was lucky because a lot of people still deal with what I was dealing with.

The world isn't the same as it was in the 40s. Every generation thinks they're the greatest, although I think my generation is pretty bad but our generation has different challenges than the ones before us, and we have a different set of skills growing up on a technological age.. humans weren't meant to sit infront of a computer screen for 13 hours a day, but this generation deals with that reality every day and people wonder why we're so ADD etc

Add that to the fact that college tuition is crippling people the second they enter the workforce with insane debt, on top of an economy that continues to see record gains and profits for corporations but a fraction of that is actually going to employees. I know lots of people that went to college for 4-6 years and can't find a job in their field and are working retail or as a waitress/waiter, barely staying afloat working their ass off.

I don't think it's entitled to want to work hard like our parents did before us and achieve the American dream of owning a modest house to raise a family in.. that dream is significantly harder to achieve now, even with a decent job

Oh, there is no doubt that corporate America is ****ed up. Believe me, I work in it too. I have two degrees and a ton of student loan debt to pay off myself. But this generation's entitlement is insane. I can't tell you how many times I've heard complaints about people as young as myself, fresh out of college, entering the workforce and instantly complaining about an entry level position and the fact that they weren't instantaneously promoted to a higher level management position without putting in any work to get there first. In my experience, these are mostly kids that never had to work a real job through college and got by on mommy and daddy. This is also the only generation in which everyone believes that they should be a winner. I made a passing joke about 6th place ribbons for fat kids earlier in the thread but the fact of the matter is that every team now gets trophies in youth soccer, football, hockey, baseball, basketball, etc. leagues. It was happening when I was a kid too. Without getting too political, American society more and more is trying to instill in kids from a young age that everyone wins. Sorry, that's just not the case. The quicker one realizes that, the quicker they'll be able to adapt once they finally hit the real world.

This is the first generation that doesn't like to have a conversation in real life at the dinner table or at the restaurant anymore. Everyone is so plugged into their god damn phones on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. that very rarely do people get to have actual, real life conversations anymore. That's why I love my girlfriend. I didn't have to tell her to put the damn phone down. She just did it because, somehow, someway, she finds me more interesting. But, then again, she does the same with her friends too. Technology at the touch of your fingertips is nice in a lot of ways but it's also giving birth to a generation of morons... just as Einstein predicted.

Finally, the WWII era survived a Great Depression, put measures in place to prevent depressions in the future, worked hard, rid the world of tyranny, and were a big reason for the advancement of different races including African Americans while their ****head children experimented with acid, went to music festivals, and eventually gave birth to the most useless generation of imbeciles the world has seen yet - mine. I'd say that, in all, the list of accomplishments by the "greatest generation" outweighs my generation's by a good amount... even taking into account that possessions and wealth were easier to obtain. But who knows? Maybe one day this (thus far) useless-as-tits-on-a-bull generation will cure cancer. THEN we'll all have something to brag about.
 
Hey its just like our PC environment we live in today. Everything has to be "fair" and "not too difficult".
 
are people suggesting there's only one way (traditional for lack of a better term) to get work done?

the workplace has evolved quite a bit over the years........people trying different ways to make a good workplace for their employees should be credited, not laughed at.......back in the 90's, a company I worked for removed all the chairs from conference rooms.........the same company put a walking loop on their property......it was encouraged to go for a walk whenever you felt like you should......there were people walking all the time......it was great.

the smartphone has affected many aspects of our lives......we are all tethered.......trying things to go with that is a good thing, not a dumb one
 
Damn kids today...blah blah blah....sound like my grand parents.
 
Finally, the WWII era survived a Great Depression, put measures in place to prevent depressions in the future, worked hard, rid the world of tyranny, and were a big reason for the advancement of different races including African Americans

lmao
 
Oh, there is no doubt that corporate America is ****ed up. Believe me, I work in it too. I have two degrees and a ton of student loan debt to pay off myself. But this generation's entitlement is insane. I can't tell you how many times I've heard complaints about people as young as myself, fresh out of college, entering the workforce and instantly complaining about an entry level position and the fact that they weren't instantaneously promoted to a higher level management position without putting in any work to get there first. In my experience, these are mostly kids that never had to work a real job through college and got by on mommy and daddy. This is also the only generation in which everyone believes that they should be a winner. I made a passing joke about 6th place ribbons for fat kids earlier in the thread but the fact of the matter is that every team now gets trophies in youth soccer, football, hockey, baseball, basketball, etc. leagues. It was happening when I was a kid too. Without getting too political, American society more and more is trying to instill in kids from a young age that everyone wins. Sorry, that's just not the case. The quicker one realizes that, the quicker they'll be able to adapt once they finally hit the real world.

This is the first generation that doesn't like to have a conversation in real life at the dinner table or at the restaurant anymore. Everyone is so plugged into their god damn phones on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. that very rarely do people get to have actual, real life conversations anymore. That's why I love my girlfriend. I didn't have to tell her to put the damn phone down. She just did it because, somehow, someway, she finds me more interesting. But, then again, she does the same with her friends too. Technology at the touch of your fingertips is nice in a lot of ways but it's also giving birth to a generation of morons... just as Einstein predicted.

Finally, the WWII era survived a Great Depression, put measures in place to prevent depressions in the future, worked hard, rid the world of tyranny, and were a big reason for the advancement of different races including African Americans while their ****head children experimented with acid, went to music festivals, and eventually gave birth to the most useless generation of imbeciles the world has seen yet - mine. I'd say that, in all, the list of accomplishments by the "greatest generation" outweighs my generation's by a good amount... even taking into account that possessions and wealth were easier to obtain. But who knows? Maybe one day this (thus far) useless-as-tits-on-a-bull generation will cure cancer. THEN we'll all have something to brag about.

Great post, I agree with all of it. Our generation certainly is a new breed of animal and a lot of them definitely feel like they should be king of the mountain without having to actually climb the mountain lol

This generation needs to get its act together, because not only is laziness a killer in general, we're now in a world where we have to compete not just with people in the US for jobs, but globally now with technology, a programmer can and are regularly replaced by people in India, Romania, etc that can do the same job for $15 an hour and live a very nice lifestyle off of it in their local economy.

Most places in America are expensive to live as it is, so when you add competition with people across the earth that can afford to live on 25% of what you can, it's a recipe for disaster.

The WW2 generation never had to deal with anything even close to that.. America was actually still producing stuff in this country with factories etc, and you didn't have to worry about losing your job to Radaka Dahli from India for 1/4 the price
 
Expand on the part of that quote that's not accurate.

"Rid the world of tyranny." I think you mean fascism. Tyranny is still around, and the Greatest Generation happily exported a great deal of it, or have we forgotten Pinochet, Shah Pahlavi, Saddam Hussein, Castelo Branco, etc.

"The advancement of difference races." Insofar as we consider the Civil Rights movement here, this was generally led by a generation too young to have fought in Second World War. Martin Luther King was 15 on D-Day. The later 1940s and 1950s are usually looked at as the origins of the so-called urban crisis - in large part due to postwar prosperity, suburbanization, education (through the GI Bill) that was not shared by black people. That same generation fought to roll back all these advances, too.

"Worked hard." I'm afraid this is contradicted by statistics. Productivity today is much higher than it was in the 1950s (real wages, meanwhile, have stagnated). You could say that productivity is much more capital-intensive today, but that was true of the 1950s compared to, say, the 1880s as well. And no one is saying the days of people dying at 35 when their lungs dissolved from the coal mines were a golden generation.

"Put measures in place to prevent depressions." An odd claim, being that we just came out of the most intense since the 1930s. You could argue that the social safety net has made the periodic recession cycle less of a humanitarian disaster, but this was largely the work of the 1930s and later 1960s. It, too has been partly dismantled.
 
Come on. You know that equating work and productivity as a 1:1 is nonsensical.

I think Kontradiction was going for some vague cultural notion of work ethic, which is very difficult to argue against without resorting to anecdotes.

If we go with hours, Americans work fewer hours on average than they did in 1950. However, they work more hours in manufacturing and service industries like retail, meaning the fall has likely been due to the fewer number of (statistically discernible) people working in really time-intensive fields like agriculture and a decrease in the hours worked in professional fields, which have increased as a total proportion of the workforce.

Generally, working fewer hours is to be expected given the progression of work-saving technologies in most fields of production, as we can still increase productivity while decreasing labor-time. One of the mysteries is why we still work as much as we do.

If today's Americans work less "hard" than our forebears, that's a good thing. And it's what you'd expect. We work less hard than our ancestors who were toiling in fields and eating potatoes and dying in coal mines too, as did people in the 1950s.
 
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Keep in mind, as I believe IllegalContact mentioned, there are plenty of managerial techniques that do not require strict Taylorism, which seems to be the Angry Old Fan's chosen managerial technique for football teams. "Human resources" is the most pervasive of these. These technologies (as managerial and organization forms unquestionably are technologies) have been adopted and have resulted in continued - perhaps greater - gains in productivity.

In that sense, one could perhaps consider the 49ers a sort of managerial avant-garde in the NFL. Now, you may think such technology will actually be detrimental in football, despite its success elsewhere. Perhaps you are even right. But that doesn't mean it's not worth the experiment.
 
I think Kontradiction was going for some vague cultural notion of work ethic, which is very difficult to argue against without resorting to anecdotes.

If we go with hours, Americans work fewer hours on average than they did in 1950. However, they work more hours in manufacturing and service industries like retail, meaning the fall has likely been due to the fewer number of (statistically discernible) people working in really time-intensive fields like agriculture and a decrease in the hours worked in professional fields, which have increased as a total proportion of the workforce.

Generally, working fewer hours is to be expected given the progression of work-saving technologies in most fields of production, as we can still increase productivity while decreasing labor-time. One of the mysteries is why we still work as much as we do.

If today's Americans work less "hard" than our forebears, that's a good thing. And it's what you'd expect. We work less hard than our ancestors who were toiling in fields and eating potatoes and dying in coal mines too, as did people in the 1950s.

So you argued against Kontra's position, while now admitting he was correct and praising the change. That's an interesting turnaround.
 
So you argued against Kontra's position, while now admitting he was correct and praising the change. That's an interesting turnaround.

I didn't really consider it much of an argument. It was posturing. "My generation is all lazy and entitled and these things I consider bad, but not me, I'm not like them. I'm more like older people, who did these things I consider good." In a twist of irony, it was very much the individualist special snowflake position he was trying to condemn.

In truth, I don't find generational analysis particularly insightful or useful at all.
 
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