Just HOW Incompetent and UNETHICAL Is MCI (Ben Volin)?

Marinlik · Jun 16, 2015

shmessy said:
In the above, he publicly stated that he "reports" using Google as his resources.

My childrens' school teachers don't allow them get away with that on their book reports.

This is what the Boston Globe's standards have become.

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It's amazing that Volin doesn't even understand how you use Google in the right way. Of course you can use Google for reports and whatever. But just as a tool to find information, not as the end of all place for information. Just looking at the title of the first link is so freaking lazy that even using Wikipedia is so much better, and it's not even close. You have to actually read what the pages that google gives you say. It seems that Volin missed that part.

In a completely unrelated thought. Can we get this thread as the highest result of a google search on "ben volin"?

BradyFTW! · Jun 16, 2015

aluminum seats said:
Who pays for reports is significant.

This is absolutely true, but anyone who claims that the Wells Report isn't biased by who paid for it can't discredit this one based on who paid for it.

And that's supposing that someone with a vested interest in a pro-Pats outcome did pay for it, which so far there's zero evidence of.

aluminum seats · Jun 16, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
This is absolutely true, but anyone who claims that the Wells Report isn't biased by who paid for it can't discredit this one based on who paid for it.

And that's supposing that someone with a vested interest in a pro-Pats outcome did pay for it, which so far there's zero evidence of.

Agree. But I think the larger point is that anyone who buys the wells report will likely just ignore this.

Has it picked up any public traction? My sense is no, hope I'm wrong.

Deus Irae · Jun 16, 2015

aluminum seats said:
Agree. But I think the larger point is that anyone who buys the wells report will likely just ignore this.

Has it picked up any public traction? My sense is no, hope I'm wrong.

The public has already moved past deflategate. It may get back into it once the outcome of the appeal is known.

Patriot Missile · Jun 16, 2015

A few random thoughts.

Ben Volin is miserable right now. He ran with the wrong story and now he is in too deep. He knows the Wells report is garbage and the psi and conspiracy from the NFL is gaining momentum. He can't change his stripes and he is now the snake who has been devouring himself until there is nothing left. When Brady is exonerated he will have nothing left except bitterness and envy to report. He has taken the Ron Borges path and I hope the players take notice.

Meanwhile Curran championed the Pats and Brady from the beginning. He started by opening up the impossible by having Belichick publicly address the spy gate issue and 80000 people comment. Something I never thought a reporter would do. Ever since he has been a vocal supporter for the Patriots and he has done well for the fans, organization and himself. Kudos.

Brady_to_Moss · Jun 16, 2015

This sums up Ben pretty well IMO

Tony2046 · Jun 17, 2015

Patriot Missile said:
A few random thoughts.

Ben Volin is miserable right now. He ran with the wrong story and now he is in too deep. He knows the Wells report is garbage and the psi and conspiracy from the NFL is gaining momentum. He can't change his stripes and he is now the snake who has been devouring himself until there is nothing left. When Brady is exonerated he will have nothing left except bitterness and envy to report. He has taken the Ron Borges path and I hope the players take notice.

Meanwhile Curran championed the Pats and Brady from the beginning. He started by opening up the impossible by having Belichick publicly address the spy gate issue and 80000 people comment. Something I never thought a reporter would do. Ever since he has been a vocal supporter for the Patriots and he has done well for the fans, organization and himself. Kudos.

Your first random thought reminds me of the Aesop fable about the Scorpion and the Frog. You give them too much credit for having some type of morale character but in reality they are just provocative hacks. It's what they do, it's who they are and they can't help it.

PatriotsReign · Jun 17, 2015

The ironic part is that this board likely has a higher readership base than the Globe these days. So shmessy is reaching more readers than Volin can!

RobertWeathers · Jun 17, 2015

Patriot Missile said:
A few random thoughts.
Ben Volin is miserable right now. He ran with the wrong story and now he is in too deep. He knows the Wells report is garbage and the psi and conspiracy from the NFL is gaining momentum. He can't change his stripes and he is now the snake who has been devouring himself until there is nothing left. When Brady is exonerated he will have nothing left except bitterness and envy to report. He has taken the Ron Borges path and I hope the players take notice.

Which wrong story? I've lost track.

Volin is just a bad journalist and he doesn't have the street cred here to make outlandish statements about the team, etc.

Patriot Missile said:
Meanwhile Curran championed the Pats and Brady from the beginning. He started by opening up the impossible by having Belichick publicly address the spy gate issue and 80000 people comment. Something I never thought a reporter would do. Ever since he has been a vocal supporter for the Patriots and he has done well for the fans, organization and himself. Kudos.

Well....there are those of us who believe the anonymous source for Curran's story about Kensil and other little nuggets about the league, etc is a certain person who has a nasty habit of cutting off the sleeves of his hoodie.

I also believe that he was a front-row plant by BB during the infamous science experiment press conference.

Ivan · Jun 17, 2015

I always come back to the same thing when it comes to Brady's story in regards to " deflategate. " The first week Belichick had his press conference and declared that the Patriots had done a thorough in house investigation of the matter and concluded there was no wrongdoing on there part. Brady and the equipment guys were integral to that investigation and Belichick backed Brady them and Kraft has gone on record several times that Brady has never lied to him and he believes him. I think Brady has been consistent in his story since day one, he told the equipment guys he likes the game balls at 12.5 and wants the refs to know that when they are approving them, thus the pressure from him to make sure they don't overinflate them after he has chosen those he likes. I think he told Belichick and Kraft that at no time has he ever told our encouraged the equipment guys to alter them after inspection and he will tell Goodell the exact same story in the exact same way he told it to Belichick and Kraft at the beginning of this saga. I think Goodell will try to press him but Brady will keep it simple while Kessler pounds away at the Wells Report. Goodell will admonish him for not giving up his phone and Kessler will respond with the series of attack leaks from the league office as reason not to trust them with it. Goodell will stand by the Wells Report and will refuse to reduce the suspensions without getting to examine the phone and Kessler will tell them they will see them in court, where the league office will be outed for being the scumbags they really are and the suspension will be overturned.

Tony2046 · Jun 17, 2015

Ivan said:
I always come back to the same thing when it comes to Brady's story in regards to " deflategate. " The first week Belichick had his press conference and declared that the Patriots had done a thorough in house investigation of the matter and concluded there was no wrongdoing on there part. Brady and the equipment guys were integral to that investigation and Belichick backed Brady them and Kraft has gone on record several times that Brady has never lied to him and he believes him. I think Brady has been consistent in his story since day one, he told the equipment guys he likes the game balls at 12.5 and wants the refs to know that when they are approving them, thus the pressure from him to make sure they don't overinflate them after he has chosen those he likes. I think he told Belichick and Kraft that at no time has he ever told our encouraged the equipment guys to alter them after inspection and he will tell Goodell the exact same story in the exact same way he told it to Belichick and Kraft at the beginning of this saga. I think Goodell will try to press him but Brady will keep it simple while Kessler pounds away at the Wells Report. Goodell will admonish him for not giving up his phone and Kessler will respond with the series of attack leaks from the league office as reason not to trust them with it. Goodell will stand by the Wells Report and will refuse to reduce the suspensions without getting to examine the phone and Kessler will tell them they will see them in court, where the league office will be outed for being the scumbags they really are and the suspension will be overturned.

Makes you wonder if Goodell has balls big enough to stand behind the Wells report all the way to court.

RobertWeathers · Jun 17, 2015

Tony2046 said:
Makes you wonder if Goodell has balls big enough to stand behind the Wells report all the way to court.

If I were Goody, I would be doing the exact same thing as him. Saying, "I have an open mind." or "I'm not married to the Wells Report." and "It is my right as commissioner to hear arbitration, etc."

He wants the flexibility to separate himself from this report and if necessary back-peddle. If TB12 and Kessler do bring new evidence to light, he can play that card as well.

Reiss said something weird yesterday in his chat. He implied that it was THE LEAGUE that introduced the AEI's findings on Bountygate to the arbitration hearings and not the Saints.

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- I'm always interested in what topics will fill up the Patriots mailbag, and the American Enterprise Institute's takedown of the Wells report is the catalyst for a Tom Brady-centric theme this week.

AEI is an organization that the NFL tapped in the Bountygate appeal hearings with the New Orleans Saints, and which the New York Times viewed as worthy of having a place on its opinion page this past Friday

I'm not saying that the NFL paid to have the report done but the fact that they used AEI research to help overturn Goody's ruling is interesting to me.

Maybe this is the beginning of "The Goody Two-Step"?
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shmessy · Jun 17, 2015

Tony2046 said:
Your first random thought reminds me of the Aesop fable about the Scorpion and the Frog. You give them too much credit for having some type of morale character but in reality they are just provocative hacks. It's what they do, it's who they are and they can't help it.

Actually, Volin is just simple-minded. I think you give him too much credit in the mental capacity department.

He's not a Felger or Borges. He's a Tanguay.

juny · Jun 18, 2015

This guy is really incompetent and shows that he never read the wells report

Ben Volin ✔ @BenVolin
A football from the #Deflategate game is up for auction, but it’s a second-half ball, not a “deflated” one pic.twitter.com/n58fUddx1t

Um, Ben, all of the footballs from the first half were re-inflated and used in the second half.

Nunchucks · Jun 18, 2015

I just heard him this morning talking about the Patriots corners. Not one word about Rogers' performance in camp. Just saying, that it is a little bit odd to leave him out considering he was running with the first team and making of plays.

JMC00 · Jun 18, 2015

robertweathers said:
I saw that as well. I think the Globe was desperate.

Nope. Globe was just looking for a guy that would come real cheap and would have no problems going negative on the Pats

RobertWeathers · Jun 18, 2015

JMC00 said:
Nope. Globe was just looking for a guy that would come real cheap and would have no problems going negative on the Pats

...and he has satisfied those specific job functions perfectly.

Patsfanin Philly · Jun 18, 2015

This reminds me of a criminal case from a few years ago. ( note- I am not comparing a homicide case to deflate gate but let me continue as there are striking parallels ). It was a murder case and an expert testified as to forensic evidence that he claimed to show that it was the defendant, despite the fact that several other experts claimed he was wrong. I attended a conference and he presented the evidence. When I questioned it ( at the time I was a newbie in my profession) I was belittled and told that maybe I wasn't cut out for it... The poor guy was convicted and sentenced to death but luckily got a retrial. Again this expert stood his ground despite four experts contradicting him and none supporting him. Unfortunately the guy was convicted again and only after the Innocence Project got dna testing was he exonerated.
It was an expert who was in too deep ( sunken cost fallacy) and couldn't admit he was wrong. While not as grave as a criminal case,Goodell is following the same course, refusing to take blinders off despite the damage done to others......he will be unmasked and pay the price.....the truth will win out.

Note- I was intentionally vague in the specifics of the case but if anyone is interested, PM me andI will send you a link to the case.

Tony2046 · Jun 18, 2015

Patsfanin Philly said:
This reminds me of a criminal case from a few years ago. ( note- I am not comparing a homicide case to deflate gate but let me continue as there are striking parallels ). It was a murder case and an expert testified as to forensic evidence that he claimed to show that it was the defendant, despite the fact that several other experts claimed he was wrong. I attended a conference and he presented the evidence. When I questioned it ( at the time I was a newbie in my profession) I was belittled and told that maybe I wasn't cut out for it... The poor guy was convicted and sentenced to death but luckily got a retrial. Again this expert stood his ground despite four experts contradicting him and none supporting him. Unfortunately the guy was convicted again and only after the Innocence Project got dna testing was he exonerated.
It was an expert who was in too deep ( sunken cost fallacy) and couldn't admit he was wrong. While not as grave as a criminal case,Goodell is following the same course, refusing to take blinders off despite the damage done to others......he will be unmasked and pay the price.....the truth will win out.

Note- I was intentionally vague in the specifics of the case but if anyone is interested, PM me andI will send you a link to the case.

You don't need to PM me the case. I just asked Ben Volin about it and he said according to Google that guy was guilty.

eom · Jun 18, 2015

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