Reports: Brady wants entire suspension removed, and is seeking to be fully exonerated

Wax Frog said:

AAAH! Figurative-speech police!

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Spreading truth one forum poster at a time. Lol.

nabwong said:

Spreading truth one forum poster at a time. Lol.

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I've done a fair bit of this kind of thing in the past, and still allow myself a handful of now-usually-unmentioned peeves (my current favorite is often seen here, our good friend "for all intensive purposes" ).

PatsFanSince74 said:

What I'm really looking forward to is the verbal gymnastics through which Goodell will have to jump to explain why he's exonerating Brady and still relying on the Wells Fabrication to justify penalizing the one party Wells said was not involved in the "events" during the AFCCG, i.e., the Patriots organization. This is going to get interesting.

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Nope, not going to happen. Goodell is in too deep to back off now. He has stacked his tenure on this and he can't lose face, though he likely will by virtue of a court order. He won't do it of his own volition. Someone referred to the "sunken cost fallacy" where you spend so much money, on something you can't change course and that is the Commish. He ordered the Wells report, he owns it and to walk away by reducing the suspension makes him look bad, despite all evidence that no wrongdoing occurred...

Goodell/NFL can't win this if it gets to an argument on the merits. Goodell/NFL only wins this if the case is squashed. Goodell/NFL has to know this. That means that, if he's smart enough to overrule his ego, he'll only take on the NFLPA if Goodell/NFL thinks it can win this case based on the CBA preventing the appeal going to the court system.

I just don't think he's that smart.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Nope, not going to happen. Goodell is in too deep to back off now. He has stacked his tenure on this and he can't lose face, though he likely will by virtue of a court order. He won't do it of his own volition. Someone referred to the "sunken cost fallacy" where you spend so much money, on something you can't change course and that is the Commish. He ordered the Wells report, he owns it and to walk away by reducing the suspension makes him look bad, despite all evidence that no wrongdoing occurred...

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You know, I'm not sure he even has the personal integrity required to stick to his guns when he's wrong. He may love this job so much, and realize that he's so incredibly lucky to have it, that he'll say or do anything to keep it, including losing face.

He might back off of this, take the hit now, and hope that he gets to keep the job and that it will all just fade away into the background over the next few years. Kind of like the kid that's so happy just to be allowed to play with the other kids, that he'll put up with all kinds of abuse just to be allowed to stick around.

Plus, where else is he going to make this kind of coin? He can't make 1/20th of this in any other job he'd get afterwards. He has to consider it a victory every time another month is crossed of his "NFL Commissioner" calendar.

Interesting trivia item, Ted Wells was in the same program at Holy Cross as Clarence Thomas. Great legal minds. (joking) http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2007-03-11/the-holy-cross-fraternity

Wells and Troy Vincent really stuck it to Brady. I wonder why they went after him with such vigor and without facts? They will lose in real court.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

GO Tom!

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Chuck D....I took seriously.

Flavor Flav...not so much.

4 game suspension = neighborhood of $2m (I thought it would be 2m, but a radio reported suggested it would be less, so we'll go 'in the neighborhood')

Prescribed penalty = $25k

$25k * 12 (number of footballs in 'bag') = $300k

Let's say Brady's lawyers present and prove the scientific evidence and the mistakes the wells investigation made. So at that point the only reason Goodell could give to punish brady would be his lack of cooperation. I have a suspicion that brady knew there was no evidence on his phone or in his emails and he kept this from them because he knew they would punish him regardless and he wanted to shove it in their face at the appropriate time.

5thRing-Hunt said:

Let's say Brady's lawyers present and prove the scientific evidence and the mistakes the wells investigation made. So at that point the only reason Goodell could give to punish brady would be his lack of cooperation. I have a suspicion that brady knew there was no evidence on his phone or in his emails and he kept this from them because he knew they would punish him regardless and he wanted to shove it in their face at the appropriate time.

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Maybe. I still agree with Yee's point that the NFL has no right to cell phones and that they knew the Wells Brownshirts would manufacture something that projected TB12 in a bad light.

I sincerely hope this is the case...F#ck Goodell....and still f#ck Kraft for not backing his franchise player

Deus Irae said:

Goodell/NFL can't win this if it gets to an argument on the merits. Goodell/NFL only wins this if the case is squashed. Goodell/NFL has to know this. That means that, if he's smart enough to overrule his ego, he'll only take on the NFLPA if Goodell/NFL thinks it can win this case based on the CBA preventing the appeal going to the court system.

I just don't think he's that smart.

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He will not back down from the current position, it is not in his nature.

robertweathers said:

Maybe. I still agree with Yee's point that the NFL has no right to cell phones and that they knew the Wells Brownshirts would manufacture something that projected TB12 in a bad light.

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Precisely.
Just like they manufactured something out of Deflate in a months old pre-season jocular text exchange between guys whose job was to ensure that balls were set per the NFL rules as their QB insisted. They would find some reference to something, anything else football related and make something from it. We've already seen how credulous the media is. Worse yet they'd leak out some personal and private excerpts where TB maybe *****ed about Belichick or Gisele. NFW should he give his phone to a front office that cannot keep any "secrets". Remember how the Pats tapes were leaked to FOX?

Deus Irae said:

Goodell/NFL can't win this if it gets to an argument on the merits. Goodell/NFL only wins this if the case is squashed. Goodell/NFL has to know this. That means that, if he's smart enough to overrule his ego, he'll only take on the NFLPA if Goodell/NFL thinks it can win this case based on the CBA preventing the appeal going to the court system.

I just don't think he's that smart.

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that's my biggest fear. the case doesn't make it to an independent judge/arbiter due to nfl not breaking a procedural rule or something, even if its conclusions and punishment are arbitrary.

juny said:

that's my biggest fear. the case doesn't make it to an independent judge/arbiter due to nfl not breaking a procedural rule or something, even if its conclusions and punishment are arbitrary.

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No worries. The penalties on Brady based on him not turning over his phone or texts ensures it will be. These are not required per the CBA and penalizing Brady for it is a classic unfair labor practice. Farve didn't object to his $50K fine but we are talking Apples and Bananas (plantains). Brett's **** pick was out there already and $50k top make it end was nothing. He was not about to fight a 50k fine when the photo was already out.

robertweathers said:

Maybe. I still agree with Yee's point that the NFL has no right to cell phones and that they knew the Wells Brownshirts would manufacture something that projected TB12 in a bad light.

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Personal phones at that.

Also if part of Brady's punishment is failing to cooperating which is not handing over his phone then where was Gostkowski's punishment for refusing to hand over his phone?

Dr Pain said:

No worries. The penalties on Brady based on him not turning over his phone or texts ensures it will be. These are not required per the CBA and penalizing Brady for it is a classic unfair labor practice. Farve didn't object to his $50K fine but we are talking Apples and Bananas (plantains). Brett's **** pick was out there already and $50k top make it end was nothing...

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Could you post the picture for me?

Dr Pain said:

No worries. The penalties on Brady based on him not turning over his phone or texts ensures it will be. These are not required per the CBA and penalizing Brady for it is a classic unfair labor practice. Farve didn't object to his $50K fine but we are talking Apples and Bananas (plantains). Brett's **** pick was out there already and $50k top make it end was nothing. He was not about to fight a 50k fine when the photo was already out.

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Plus where is Gostkowski's punishment for refusing to hand over his phone? NFL will lose in court just on that.

goheels22002 said:

Shoddy reporting. How exactly does Sal Paolantonio know that Bob Kraft "believes" that Brady will be fully exonerated. Kraft just capitulated to the Commissioner, accepting the loss of two draft picks and some money. Unless they leaked a deal between the NFL and Kraft, I doubt that Paolantonio has any idea what Bob Kraft believes Goodell will do. I also doubt the NLRB will allow Goodell to hear the appeal, or will overturn the appeal and appoint a truly objective mediator.

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I think this is Mike's way of trying to put a good word in for Kraft. He has taken a huge beating since the "announcement".

JMC00 said:

Plus where is Gostkowski's punishment for refusing to hand over his phone? NFL will lose in court just on that.

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Yeah, good point. "Ok, well, maybe Brady didn't do anything for sure, but uhh, he didn't give us his phone, so, yeah! He's still suspended!" "So why didn't you give any punishment to Gostkowski for the exact same offense? Unless you were just out on a witch hunt or something..." "D'oh!" --court adjourned!--