Tim Wright released

JMC00 said:

It's hilarious. Remember his rants about Tommy Kelly being released and how he wouldn't accept the fact that Kelly foolishy forced his way out and that it was because of BB of why he wanted to leave because BB "forced" him into agreeing to restructure his deal and then it was proven by myself and others that Kelly actually would have made more staying with the Pats than leaving

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Can you imagine what Tommy Kelly is thinking now? yikes!

That's rough.. complaining about his contract and forces them to release him.. gets signed by the Cardinals and makes less money, while the team he just shot his way out of town with goes on to win a Super Bowl.

That will keep someone up at night letting the "What ifs" run wild in their mind

JarOfMayo51 said:

Can you imagine what Tommy Kelly is thinking now? lol...

That's rough.. complaining about his contract and forces them to release him.. gets signed by the Cardinals and makes less money, while the team he just shot his way out of town with goes on to win a Super Bowl.

That will keep someone up at night letting the "What ifs" run wild in their mind

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And Alan Branch thanks him for the 2 year/$4.3m contract because of it, while Kelly is currently a Free Agent.

who the f*ck is Logan Mankins and Tim Wright?

JarOfMayo51 said:

Can you imagine what Tommy Kelly is thinking now? yikes!

That's rough.. complaining about his contract and forces them to release him.. gets signed by the Cardinals and makes less money, while the team he just shot his way out of town with goes on to win a Super Bowl.

That will keep someone up at night letting the "What ifs" run wild in their mind

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Didn't Tommy Kelly make some "SMH" comment on twitter during the Patriots-Chiefs game?

Deus Irae said:

Even with Stork, Brady was getting beaten up by Seattle before their injuries got to them. Without Stork, and having to play a guy like Kline, we'd have been pitching in for Brady's tombstone.


And you ignore Mankins playing well in a lot of playoff games, which is not surprising, since you ignore the same about Welker.

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I'm certainly not aboard any hate-train towards Mankins.. he was a beast of a player for us and set the tone on that offensive line. When you have a beast of a player like that, you need to give him a beast of a contract to match his play. He had the privilege of being one of the highest paid players on the team for pretty much his entire tenure here, so there is no doubting the level of respect that he had from the organization and the fans, but just as Wilfork was just cut.. Mankins would have been cut as well, and they would have received nothing for him, much the same way that the Eagles just did with Mathis.

At some point, those older players with big contracts need to be turned over to younger players that are way cheaper, and reallocate the salary that was freed up from doing that to the top players whose rookie deals are up or coming up in a year or 2. Now instead of a beastly veteran LG, you have a beastly Middle Linebacker to go with the beastly Free Safety that was resigned, all entering the prime of their careers.

Chandler Jones
Dante Hightower
Stephen Ghostkowski
Jamie Collins (no 5th year option)
Nate Solder

That's a lot of coin that needs to go around, those are the guys that are going to start carrying a heavier load on the salary cap to replace contracts that were being carried by guys like Mankins, Wilfork, Mayo, Revis, Connolly, etc

Mankins was going to be removed from the equation last year or this year.. So they did it a year early and they did gain some capital from it as well as a little production from a young prospect that they kicked the tires on and it didn't work out (Assuming he doesn't go to the practice squad). I'm sure Dante Scarnecchia was providing a lot of feedback during that entire process and his feelings on the state of the offensive line.. I don't think they would have sacrificed everything by letting him go if they didn't think they had a legitimate plan in place to fill the role that he was filling. Yea, there is going to most likely be a drop off in talent/skill there, but it doesn't go from 100% to 55%.. and then you use the savings to strength another area of the team a certain percentage with another good player and hope for a net gain.

If I saw Mankins out in Boston I'd be buying him as many drinks as he wants for what he did here, but the writing financially speaking was on the wall for him.

Hey, at least we can take solace in knowing that if Brady and his lawyers demolish the NFL's anti-trust and the draft + salary cap go away, then we can just become the Yankees of football, buy up all the talent and kick Indy around for the next 50 years hehe

In the end would the Patriots have won the Super Bowl without Butler? Maybe, but with him they won it and he made big plays to help them. Ultimately you judge a season and all of the decisions made along the way by the outcome and the Patriots won the Super Bowl, so the Mankins trade didn't cost them anything and the cap relief allowed them to address issues in season that also helped them win the Super Bowl. Wright contributed when he was needed but they have upgraded the unit and he became the odd man out. They also add Trey Flowers who could turn into a good player for them. I'm a big fan of Mankins but I honestly see no downside to this deal for the Patriots.. When cap relief is the primary goal and you use the space provided to help win a championship its hard to see how you hurt the team, especially when it's a guy who only had a couple of years left anyways.

Wheelman said:

Didn't Tommy Kelly make some "SMH" comment on twitter during the Patriots-Chiefs game?

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I don't remember exactly, but it wasn't hugs and kisses as he left hehe

hDisclaimer: I have only read the first and last pages of this 11 page (so far) thread, and it is clear that it has gone from discussing Tim's release to hating on Logan Mankins and who knows what in between, so my comments might seem incongruous to the thread at this point, but I'm not about to read 9 pages of posts to catch up. Sorry about that,. if I'm out of synch.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised by his release and a bit disappointed, but it also points out a key factor to WHY the Pats have been so good so consistently. Tim Wright is a pretty good football player like most everyone is in this league. He had a great rookie season, and was very productive for the Pats, especially early on. IIRC he had 6 TD's in his only season with the Pats and that is a pretty impressive number, especially for a situational player.

However you can' help but notice the precipitous decline of his productivity as the season wore on, and the additions to the position in the off season. which brings us back to the key factor I was talking about that makes the Pats so good over the years. To play for the Pats, you not only have to be good., you have to keep getting BETTER. If you don't keep on improving your play, you won't get snaps, and consequently won't stay on the team. CLEARLY, Wright's competitive level hit a wall about 2 thirds through the season and hasn't gotten any better.

We as fans sometime miss this subtlety, and are caught off guard when this player or that is released, even after some productive games or seasons. Maybe he didn't improve as a blocker, or maybe he didn't reach some weight or strength goal they had for him, or maybe he just wasn't playing at the level that others at his position were playing at, even at this early part of the season. Clearly they weren't happy with his play at the end of the season, and nothing he did this off season changed their minds. It is THAT competitive in the NFL for the great majority of the players in the NFL.

Tim Wright is a good player, who should be recognized for his contributions with the Pats while he was here, but despite those contributions, he didn't keep improving and now he's gone. Thanks Tim, and good luck. I hope you take the lessons learned here to heart.

Congratulations, Mr. Wright!

You're going to be getting another chance to make the Buccaneers' roster:

Tim Wright is a Buccaneer again.

Wright, the tight end sent to New England in last year’s trade that brought Logan Mankins to Tampa Bay, is now back with the Buccaneers. The Patriots waived Wright yesterday, and the Bucs claimed Wright off waivers today.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-claim-tim-wright-off-waivers-from-patriots/

patfanken said:

hDisclaimer: I have only read the first and last pages of this 11 page (so far) thread, and it is clear that it has gone from discussing Tim's release to hating on Logan Mankins and who knows what in between, so my comments might seem incongruous to the thread at this point, but I'm not about to read 9 pages of posts to catch up. Sorry about that,. if I'm out of synch.

I have to say I'm a bit surprised by his release and a bit disappointed, but it also points out a key factor to WHY the Pats have been so good so consistently. Tim Wright is a pretty good football player like most everyone is in this league. He had a great rookie season, and was very productive for the Pats, especially early on. IIRC he had 6 TD's in his only season with the Pats and that is a pretty impressive number, especially for a situational player.

However you can' help but notice the precipitous decline of his productivity as the season wore on, and the additions to the position in the off season. which brings us back to the key factor I was talking about that makes the Pats so good over the years. To play for the Pats, you not only have to be good., you have to keep getting BETTER. If you don't keep on improving your play, you won't get snaps, and consequently won't stay on the team. CLEARLY, Wright's competitive level hit a wall about 2 thirds through the season and hasn't gotten any better.

We as fans sometime miss this subtlety, and are caught off guard when this player or that is released, even after some productive games or seasons. Maybe he didn't improve as a blocker, or maybe he didn't reach some weight or strength goal they had for him, or maybe he just wasn't playing at the level that others at his position were playing at, even at this early part of the season. Clearly they weren't happy with his play at the end of the season, and nothing he did this off season changed their minds. It is THAT competitive in the NFL for the great majority of the players in the NFL.

Tim Wright is a good player, who should be recognized for his contributions with the Pats while he was here, but despite those contributions, he didn't keep improving and now he's gone. Thanks Tim, and good luck. I hope you take the lessons learned here to heart.

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I'd only add that if Wright has been a solid citizen and worked hard during his tenure with NE, cutting him now might be BB's way of giving him a better chance of catching on elsewhere. In addition to the plateau in his perfromance noted by PFK, the numbers seem to be working against him with the additions of Chandler, Davis and Derby.

While this shouldn't be a thread about Mankins, it should be noted that the Patriots will only save $3,000,000 in 2015 due to the trade. $3,000,000 = his $7,000,000 salary minus his $4,000,000 dead cap hit (pro rated bonus money).

I've crawled into this thread to eat crow. Never thought they'd get rid of this guy. I'm one that argued with several PF members about it. My bad.

My only 2c is that it must be an attitude/commitment thing. Why else do it in OTA's? NE might have wanted to see if he came in with a renewed focus, and when he didn't, or sulked, or was out of shape, or not memorized his routes or otherwise hadn't corrected whatever mistakes or shortcomings, they knew he wasn't getting any better this season and they dumped his butt. Skills were there, especially after the catch. He sure looked like a good weapon on the field. Must be some off-field stuff IMO.

Will the bucs release mankins next

Looks like the Bucs claimed Tim Wright.

crownontherocks said:

Will the bucs release mankins next

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No, but that would be funny.

bresna said:

While this shouldn't be a thread about Mankins, it should be noted that the Patriots will only save $3,000,000 in 2015 due to the trade. $3,000,000 = his $7,000,000 salary minus his $4,000,000 dead cap hit (pro rated bonus money).

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Actual gross cap savings is the 7 million. The $4 million was counting on the 2015 cap if Mankins was on it or not. Mankin's 2015 cap number before the trade was 11 million (6.75m salary, 250,ooo offseason workout bonus, 4 million signing bonus proration).

After the trade Mankins' 2015 cap hit is $4 million.

pdangle said:

I've crawled into this thread to eat crow. Never thought they'd get rid of this guy. I'm one that argued with several PF members about it. My bad.

My only 2c is that it must be an attitude/commitment thing. Why else do it in OTA's? NE might have wanted to see if he came in with a renewed focus, and when he didn't, or sulked, or was out of shape, or not memorized his routes or otherwise hadn't corrected whatever mistakes or shortcomings, they knew he wasn't getting any better this season and they dumped his butt. Skills were there, especially after the catch. He sure looked like a good weapon on the field. Must be some off-field stuff IMO.

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I heard from a reliable source* that he was driving Spikes' car the other night.


*Alcohol

Deus Irae said:

Congratulations, Mr. Wright!

You're going to be getting another chance to make the Buccaneers' roster:



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-claim-tim-wright-off-waivers-from-patriots/

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To be fair, pretty much every free agent in the league should have a chance of making the roster of a last place team.

Oswlek said:

The fact that someone else said a straw man doesn't preclude yours from being the same. And you remain logically inconsistent with the end of your statement. What justification do you have to say so? In two cracks against the Giants, Mankins' Patriot teams could barely outscore what NE tallied against a much better Seattle defense in one game. Seems to me that, by your own logic, had NE lost it would have simply been more of the same.

I'm all for a compelling argument as to why the Mankins trade was a bad move, but thus far none has been offered.

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I don't think we can compare the Giants losses to the Seattle win. If the Pats used the same quick strike passing game against the Giants that they used against the Seahawks, maybe they might have won.

Chandler and Davis are better at catching and blocking then Wright. The position has been upgraded. It's as simple as that. BB did him and Lovie a favor by releasing him early so he could get acclimated with the team again sooner rather then later....which was inevitable.