Patriots OTAs 6/11

Brady6 · Jun 11, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
I don't think there's any cause for concern re: kicker; if the Pats had intended to get a replacement for Gostkowski, they would have been more proactive about it (and we'd know who the kicker is by now).

It is a bit concerning, though, that the deadline for extending Gostkowski is coming up in a few weeks.

He signed his tender right away. Because his cap hit was higher than the franchise tag # he received 120% of what he was paid in 2014. That made him easily the highest paid kicker in the NFL, still not sure why we need to tag him to pay him more than anyone at his position but his $4.7M cap hit is 100% guaranteed so if we cut him I'd be shocked and really have to question if Belichick started using drugs this offseason.

Brady6 · Jun 11, 2015

Ross12 said:
Good to see Butler was back and competing for a starting role. Looks like it'll be three of Butler, Ryan, Fletcher and McClain.

Also looks like Brady is working hard at developing chemistry with Chandler. Expecting special things from him this year.

I think the gold jacket needs to be put on hold for Chandler around here. He is a good #2 TE but he is not going to be a huge factor unless there is an injury.

I'm not taking a shot at you, I just see a lot posters referring to Chandler as if we acquired Jimmy Graham.

Ross12 · Jun 11, 2015

Brady6 said:
I think the gold jacket needs to be put on hold for Chandler around here. He is a good #2 TE but he is not going to be a huge factor unless there is an injury.

I'm not taking a shot at you, I just see a lot posters referring to Chandler as if we acquired Jimmy Graham.

I hear you, but I think Graham and Chandler are pretty similar players in terms of their skill sets. Graham is better, but by how much? There's a big difference between Drew Brees and EJ Manuel/Kyle Orton/Ryan Fitzpatrick/random Bills JAG QB.

Hercules Rockefeller · Jun 12, 2015

Brady6 said:
I think the gold jacket needs to be put on hold for Chandler around here. He is a good #2 TE but he is not going to be a huge factor unless there is an injury.

I'm not taking a shot at you, I just see a lot posters referring to Chandler as if we acquired Jimmy Graham.

Yeah you're right Chandler is no Jimmy Graham. He can actually block and isn't cotton soft, and his new teammates didn't openly call him unflattering names regarding his softness in the past.

I hate that acquisition if I'm a Seahawk fan. Graham is one of the most overrated players in the league.

EDIT---to be clear I'm not saying Chandler is a star, I just don't like Jimmy Graham

signbabybrady · Jun 12, 2015

Brady6 said:
I think the gold jacket needs to be put on hold for Chandler around here. He is a good #2 TE but he is not going to be a huge factor unless there is an injury.

I'm not taking a shot at you, I just see a lot posters referring to Chandler as if we acquired Jimmy Graham.

Who is putting a gold jacket on him. We got a pretty solid TE1 to be our TE2. He is a huge red zone target and allows us to use the two TE package more. There is plenty to be excited about without assuming he is a future hall famer.

Patsfanin Philly · Jun 12, 2015

Chandler doesn't have to be a TE #1 with the talent around him. In Buffalo, he had to be but here he can be a very good #2 and serve a useful purpose, especially in the red zone or the running game....
Two big TEs and a stout offensive line....Sounds like a "pick your poison" by either choosing to run for 200 yards like versus the Colts or pass 50 times as against the Ravens in the playoffs...That will give opposing D coordinators nightmares....

supafly · Jun 13, 2015

I think the experience, size, talent, and proven ability of Scott Chandler makes him an excellent value addition for the TE2 role. It improves the position a lot and allows more versatility in all offensive packages.

Galeb · Jun 13, 2015

robertweathers said:
I had read somewhere that the Pats are consistently near the top in dropped passes by receivers.

I look at that number in a few ways...
1) The are consistently at the top in passes thrown and receptions...IE...more your throw, the more drops you have.
2) You can say that from 2010-2014, they Pats have not had elite WRs.
3) Brady is not as accurate as we believe him to be.

Anyone have any thoughts? I plan on digging into this.

With Wright being cut- who didn't drop a pass all year there is a risk that the team's drop % will go up.

With all the problems in the world today, I choose to solve this mystery.

When passes are thrown where only the receiver can catch them, there will be significantly less Passes Defensed and more Passes Dropped. I don't have time to research the numbers, but would expect that Brady is consistently be near the bottom in Passes Defensed.

Zuma · Jun 13, 2015

RB (1st and 2nd down) - Blount (suspended) and Gray have been sharing the duties there between 1st and 2nd team and both look good.
RB (3rd down) - White is looking fantastic on 3rd down drills. Fears has wood he is so freakin happy about that. Bolden is also taking a lot of snaps there and is looking good.

Game 1 - September 10th against the Steelers...IMO those 4 will be our main RB's.

JMC00 · Jun 13, 2015

Zuma said:
IMO those 4 will be our main RB's.

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3. Blount is out for Week 1.

Zuma · Jun 13, 2015

JMC00 said:
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3. Blount is out for Week 1.

Edited: thank you

RobertWeathers · Jun 13, 2015

Zuma said:
RB (1st and 2nd down) - Blount and Gray have been sharing the duties there between 1st and 2nd team and both look good.
RB (3rd down) - White is looking fantastic on 3rd down drills. Fears has wood he is so freakin happy about that. Bolden is also taking a lot of snaps there and is looking good.

Game 1 - September 10th against the Steelers...IMO those 4 will be our main RB's.

I think White AND Cadet make this team.

Cadet is you 3rd down/passing RB, 4/5th WR, KR and backup PR. He also is a core special teams guy. He also has collegiate-level QB experience.

If Gaffney is the real deal, both he and Cadet have the potential to make Brandon Bolden and/or Gray very expendable.

Zuma · Jun 13, 2015

Hey I think your right...I'm just mentioning what seems to be happening with success at RB in OTA's.

Gaffney has been taking snaps behind Blount and Gray I believe...and not with the 3rd down back group. I don't think Gaffney making the team or not will have an impact on Cadet, Bolden or White.

Most teams have RB's and their depth. We have a clearly defined 3rd down back position as we all know. In some ways...the 2 don't effect depth for each other.

RayClay · Jun 13, 2015

BobDigital said:
I look at that number in a few ways...
1) The are consistently at the top in passes thrown and receptions...IE...more your throw, the more drops you have.
2) You can say that from 2010-2014, they Pats have not had elite WRs.
3) Brady is not as accurate as we believe him to be.

Anyone have any thoughts? I plan on digging into this.

With Wright being cut- who didn't drop a pass all year there is a risk that the team's drop % will go up.

With all the problems in the world today, I choose to solve this mystery.

Brady throws a very hard pass usually, so defenders can't get it. seems to be working well so far.

Another example of paralysis by analysis.

Also, besides "hard" he throws where "only the receiver can get it." It's by design.

RobertWeathers · Jun 13, 2015

Galeb said:
When passes are thrown where only the receiver can catch them, there will be significantly less Passes Defensed and more Passes Dropped. I don't have time to research the numbers, but would expect that Brady is consistently be near the bottom in Passes Defensed.

Me neither. If I can get a return on a stat I want in 2 minutes I give up.

Zuma · Jun 13, 2015

I'm not a fan of Chris Simms (when he was with the Pats and now)...he seems to think Bolden was drafted to be the 3rd down back with the Pats eventually. When he was with the Pats...that was the talk...according to him. Bolden CAN catch...their is no doubt. He also is all over the place on ST.

Nobody outside of the coaching staff has ever seem White do anything good...but Fears acts like he walks on water at this point. Freaky. I don't get it but they know better then the rest of us.

Gaffney has some meat on those bones (220+ lbs). He is build like a 1st down back. I think that's why he is seeing time there in OTA's. According to the PFW guys...he can't catch (I'm just the messenger).

Cadet can't run the rock if his life depended on it. Their is no place for him if he can't do that. I would love to be proven wrong.

RayClay · Jun 13, 2015

JDot said:
Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe 2h2 hours ago
Brady, Gronk and Scott Chandler had a couple more side sessions on an adjacent field during special teams drills.

I think this is overlooked by those saying chandler is mostly depth. I think we're going to see a true twin towers offense as Chandler is a true two way tight end and Gronk is, of course.

A trait of most successful people, and the Pats organization is that, is they don't give up on an idea when they don't succeed at first.

BB has been trying to field a true 2 complete tight end offense almost since he's been here. Graham and Watson were half a great tight end each and the murderer wasn't really a blocker.

Chandler should at least be a good blocker and he certainly has good hands as a receiver.

RayClay · Jun 13, 2015

Zuma said:
I'm not a fan of Chris Simms (when he was with the Pats and now)...he seems to think Bolden was drafted to be the 3rd down back with the Pats eventually. When he was with the Pats...that was the talk...according to him. Bolden CAN catch...their is no doubt. He also is all over the place on ST.

Nobody outside of the coaching staff has ever seem White do anything good...but Fears acts like he walks on water at this point. Freaky. I don't get it but they know better then the rest of us.

Gaffney has some meat on those bones (220+ lbs). He is build like a 1st down back. I think that's why he is seeing time there in OTA's. According to the PFW guys...he can't catch (I'm just the messenger).

Cadet can't run the rock if his life depended on it. Their is no place for him if he can't do that. I would love to be proven wrong.

I think Bolden, with his experience and special teams cred, is the perfect all purpose back up. Given our offense, i think we want 1 or 2 backs who can be third down types.

Speaking of which, don't sleep on Dion Lewis. He had decent receiving numbers at Pitt, but wasn't called on to catch much in the pros. As a RB, though, he was one of the best in the country.

I could see him making it as a pure RB with upside as a receiver.

RayClay · Jun 13, 2015

As far as the White hype goes, could it be a motivational ploy for a guy who didn't seem that motivated last year?

Remember, this is BB controlled communication. Everything that seem to be significant is said for effect, not because they want nice stories for the press.

RobertWeathers · Jun 13, 2015

Zuma said:
Hey I think your right...I'm just mentioning what seems to be happening with success at RB in OTA's.

Gaffney has been taking snaps behind Blount and Gray I believe...and not with the 3rd down back group. I don't think Gaffney making the team or not will have an impact on Cadet, Bolden or White.

Most teams have RB's and their depth. We have a clearly defined 3rd down back position as we all know. In some ways...the 2 don't effect depth for each other.

Yea. Who know what will happen.

I just think based on his versatility, Cadet has the best shot of making the team out of all the "RBs" in camp.

The position is so unsettled right now. I think Blount is as close to being a sure thing as there can be in that group.

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