Tim Wright released

Deus Irae said:

Even with Stork, Brady was getting beaten up by Seattle before their injuries got to them. Without Stork, and having to play a guy like Kline, we'd have been pitching in for Brady's tombstone.


And you ignore Mankins playing well in a lot of playoff games, which is not surprising, since you ignore the same about Welker.

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if .... if.... if.......pure conjecture

seahawks front 7 got tired....they were gassed

as for Mankins......he had his moments.....unfortunately, his bad ones came at the worst times......he was not worth the money

Ivan said:

And a big wad of cap space they used on guys like Ayers and Casillas

The end result was aLombardi so I am surprised anyone would complain.

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Some folks on this board would complain about a 59–0 victory over the Colts.

Deus Irae said:

That's fine, but choosing between them going forward is not the issue, and has not been the issue.

And Mankins is the better player when both are healthy. He always has been. Perhaps this will be the year that changes, though.

Bottom line: Wright's gone, and the Patriots got away with a bad trade. It doesn't really need to go further than that.

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ok, Mr. I MUST HAVE THE LAST WORD

the results speaks more loudly than any opinion you could muster

ctpatsfan77 said:

Some folks on this board would complain about a 59–0 victory over the Colts.

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I gave up on the pats after the Chiefs game........mea culpa......I'll never do that again

chasa said:

Yes.

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Thank you for your honesty.

go ask any fanbase, ANY SINGLE ONE

"Hey, we are going to take away one of your best linemen, like of your 5 starters last year he's top 2, but in exchange you are going to win the superbowl"

if 32 out of 32 don't say "sounds like a good deal to me" then you are lying and didn't actually ask them.

FCB02062 said:

We said the same thing about Daniel Graham and Ben Watson....

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You're really comparing gronk to one of them?

I bet Geneo Grissom is kicking butt at tight end.

Yet another player who fans swore was "developing" and was going to be an impact player next year. That isn't how it works in New England. You are either good or you aren't.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Some folks on this board would complain about a 59–0 victory over the Colts.

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I am one of them. I want at LEAST 100-0 next time they play the Colts.

Ivan said:

And a big wad of cap space they used on guys like Ayers and Casillas

The end result was a Lombardi so I am surprised anyone would complain.

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Not sure I see any complaints, but I do see room for more than one opinion here.
1. Non-guaranteed portions of player compensation can be reclaimed by releasing players. Not sure what the relief would have been had they released Mankins, but they surely would have created room to sign guys like Ayers even without Mankins trade.
2. Because the team won the Super Bowl does not mean that BB batted 100% in every aspect of their decision-making. BB may be the best, but are we prohibited from saying on a discussion board that he may not be perfect?

If Davis screws up he will be gone in a nanosecond. I believe that the hoodie has seen something in him. Plus he probably told him ur on your last chance in the NFL. Work hard and keep your nose clean and there could be a good contract waiting for you. If not from us but maybe somebody else.

Joey007 said:

In retrospect, it wasn't the best trade, and we got rid of him a year too early.

A large part of it is that Mankins deserved a super bowl ring. Poor guy's rookie year was the year after number 3 and the year after he leaves we win number 4. He was pretty much the staple of our line for nearly a decade, so it's a shame.

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He should've played better in the ones he played in.

Not all that surprising. The TE depth chart is waaay overfull.

But it is surprising that it happened now. Why not wait till camp? I don't think we needed the roster spot. And as BB himself says, no-ones going to solidify their spot on the depth chart in June. Lots of stuff can happen between now and camp. Plus the ring ceremony is this weekend and I would presume Wright is getting one. He contributed more that a lot of people who got rings back in the early 2000's. That's gonna be a little awkward. BB couldn't wait half a week?

Wright must have really pi**ed someone off.

Between this and the (IMO) overly harsh penalty to Malcolm Butler for being late to a voluntary OTA, with a perfectly legitimate reason, I wonder if BB feels his locker room is getting a little messed up and he's trying to send a message.

Peachhead said:

Wright must have really pi**ed someone off.

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I doubt it. He had trouble getting separation last season, and I don't think it took much to conclude they were better off with alternative options on the roster.

The trade was the right move. Getting the cap space and a player who contributed was the smart move Yes they could have released him,but the trade helped facilitate other moves for players that made contributions. I really liked Mankins but he had started to regress. The Patriots mantra has always been "its better to trade them a year early then a year too late." IN BILL WE TRUST

IllegalContact said:

I gave up on the pats after the Chiefs game........mea culpa......I'll never do that again

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I learned that lesson a while ago about this team. Never say never.

Deus Irae said:

Vollmer's injuries left him a shell of himself for years, before he had a real bounce back kind of season last year. You've have to be blind to have missed that.

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And Mankins' injuries never affected his play? I would say one would have to be otherworldly stubborn about their opinions to think that they never did.

Vollmer is younger, better and more valuable due to the scarcity of excellent tackles. Mankins was a great guard, dominant early in his career, but was overpaid for almost the entire duration of his extension. He also simply came up botch far too often in big games for my liking, starting with his very first playoff game, in which he was ejected because he couldn't keep his cool.

Most importantly, he's been a Buccaneer for nearly a year now, so I do not care how he performs. I wish him well because I have always liked his nasty attitude and leadership. But those intangibles are not as necessary when Stork brings much of the same in that department.

Mack Herron said:

Not sure I see any complaints, but I do see room for more than one opinion here.
1. Non-guaranteed portions of player compensation can be reclaimed by releasing players. Not sure what the relief would have been had they released Mankins, but they surely would have created room to sign guys like Ayers even without Mankins trade.
2. Because the team won the Super Bowl does not mean that BB batted 100% in every aspect of their decision-making. BB may be the best, but are we prohibited from saying on a discussion board that he may not be perfect?

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1) Sure, but you'd have to demonstrate why trading Mankins hurt the team and then offer specific alternatives. Even then, you'd still have to account to the year of Wright, the draft pick and the cap space they now have this year and next.

2) This is a straw man. Whether Bill made a mistake in some other area doesn't in any way speak to whether the specific trade of Mankins was a bad move.

As soon as I saw the title of this thread I knew that Mankins name would come up.
I'm one of the fans who was/is against the trade.
But even I can't complain now that the Pats won.
The proof is in the pudding
And the stuff that Brady and Belichick cook up is some of the best tasting ever.