Goodell's letter response to the NFLPA...6/2/2015

RecoveringCowboy · Jun 4, 2015

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RobertWeathers · Jun 4, 2015

Ivan said:
Hiring Jeffrey Kessler to do your appeal is like hiring Scott Boras to do your laundry.

We don't know how good Scott Boras is at laundry. My wife won't let me go anywhere near the washing machine.

How about hiring Bobby Flay or Wolfgang Puck to make a ham sandwich? That might work a little better

RelocatedPatFan · Jun 4, 2015

Do we have a breakdown why the NFL sought to punish Brady with the 4 games? it seems they are throwing, *Camergate, at him as well when he has no association to the coaching staff that performed such an act. Hence, he can't be a repeat offender because he was never under the umbrella of being charges with the 2007 incident.

So, just being uncooperative was the reason for the 4 games? (though it feels like uncooperative and being a Patriot is the real reason). Or are they doing it based on it happening on the field of play (which they'll have to stand by and we all know that proof is thinner than

Now, the report says that Kraft, BB, or the coaches had nothing to do wit hthis.

RayClay said:
We're talking about a 39 year old guy who is still pissed he wasn't drafted before round 6.

I love the pic. but who did the Patriots draft in the 6th round in 1998? Harold Shaw?
I think Peyton is 39 though, the GOAT is 37 (38 when the season starts)?

Patsfanin Philly · Jun 4, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
He can't spell law...

Even if you spotted him an "L' and an "A" to paraphrase Hollywood Henderson.

DaBruinz · Jun 4, 2015

Joker said:
I have a family relative that is rather well known in business circles here in southern New England. Head of Hasbro and then Lifespan,he's met and shared dinner with a number of NE sports dignitaries ,including Bob Kraft. He relayed a little experience he had with Kraft over dinner and ****tails as the 2011 NBA strike and lockout was going on. Kraft said, in front of many people at this function, that his solution would be to "fire all the players and get new ones. It's the business that is the important thing, not the players OR the fans opinions on the subject."

FWIW, this person's reputation is IMPECCABLE. I cannot divulge his name because I have no such permission, but we share familial ties. I'm extremely close to his younger brother.

What do I think? I think Kraft's lip service about Brady "being like a son" to him is just that. Good PR. The truth is I do not TRUST what he says to be anywhere close to true. What IS important to ANY billionaire is BUSINESS and the making of money.

That is why I think Brady falls in with the NFLPA and DOES business with Kraft and the 31 other owners...in federal court. This whole laughably preposterous stance taken by NFL offices and Puppetdell is nothing but NFL PR spin, no different than the Iraqi minister of information charade.

Joker - Regarding the players in the NBA, I would have to agree with Kraft. I stopped watching the NBA because it went from being a true team sport to being a sport where you only needed 2-3 guys to do anything..

ivanvamp · Jun 4, 2015

SVN said:
and his line
"As I have said publicly, I very much look forward to hearing from Mr. Brady and to considering any new information or evidence that he may bring to my attention" means he is allowing a way out so that this doesnt go to court.

Why on earth didn't he tell Brady he wanted to sit down with him *BEFORE* he drew conclusions from the Wells report and *BEFORE* he issued the largest penalty in NFL history?

DaBruinz · Jun 4, 2015

JPPT1974 said:
Don't forget that Goodell was himself a lawyer too! He knows the letter of the law.

Goodell is not a lawyer unless he got his degree from a Cracker Jax box. Goodell's degree is in Economics..

DaBruinz · Jun 4, 2015

YOUGOTMOSSED said:
So what recourse does a team have when Goodell decides to pull picks just for the heck of it (for example, what Goodell is doing now to the Patriots). Do they have to sue the league for acting in bad faith? Unfair business practice? What?

Got me.. Probably something in the owner's bylaws.. There is a whole smattering of rules they have that we don't know..

DaBruinz · Jun 4, 2015

Patriot Missile said:
I don't understand why he really had to in the first place. It's not like they didn't know Brady's personal cell phone. Any text Brady allegedly sent to the trainer is on that trainers phone. It's stupid to be punished for not giving your phone. It says it right in the CBA which Roger seems to twist to only his advantage. You don't have to give your phone to them. So if you don't have to, why are they being punished for it? It really is staggering how stupid these front office people are.

Could you find where it says the players don't have to give up their phone? I couldn't find it when I looked..

ivanvamp · Jun 4, 2015

Ivan said:
Very gracious of Goodell to allow Brady to prove he didn't do something. He should offer Goodell an opportunity to prove he doesn't cheat on his wife while they are at it.

I want Brady to do what Kraft didn't have the stomach for, tear that league office to pieces.

This. He says that all Brady needs to do is produce the emails and texts. WHAT EMAILS AND TEXTS?

Brady should comply and hand over the exact text messages to and from Jastremski that Goodell/Wells already have. And then say, there you go. And when they demand "more", Brady should simply say, wait, I thought you just wanted me to hand over the texts that were relevant to the case. There they are.

And if Goodell insists that there is more, Brady should just say, how do you know? I'm giving you guys what you have asked for. There it is. Now you're saying what you REALLY want is more than what you're actually asking for?

Ivan · Jun 4, 2015

ivanvamp said:
This. He says that all Brady needs to do is produce the emails and texts. WHAT EMAILS AND TEXTS?

Brady should comply and hand over the exact text messages to and from Jastremski that Goodell/Wells already have. And then say, there you go. And when they demand "more", Brady should simply say, wait, I thought you just wanted me to hand over the texts that were relevant to the case. There they are.

And if Goodell insists that there is more, Brady should just say, how do you know? I'm giving you guys what you have asked for. There it is. Now you're saying what you REALLY want is more than what you're actually asking for?

Holley went down this rabbit hole with Dale Arnold a few weeks ago. Arnold was saying Brady could do it through his lawyer and Holley pointed out that there is no way to satisfy the league if there are no texts other than what the they already had. They say they want the texts, Brady says they have them, they say they want more and Brady says they already have them, they say they aren't enough and Brady says that's all there are and so on and so forth. End result Brady is uncooperative because he doesn't have what they want and cannot prove a negative.

I don't see any way Goodell reduces Brady's suspension because doing so undercuts Wells and Vincent and wipes out the entire point of this exercise, which was to reestablish Göodell's status as Mr. Badass. So he will uphold the suspension and off to court go it will go.

BradyFTW! · Jun 4, 2015

DaBruinz said:
Joker - Regarding the players in the NBA, I would have to agree with Kraft. I stopped watching the NBA because it went from being a true team sport to being a sport where you only needed 2-3 guys to do anything..

FWIW, the NBA has somewhat moved back in the direction of being a team sport. Defenses have evolved to the point that running isolation plays every time down the court just doesn't really work anymore, which has created a major emphasis on quick ball movement and floor spacing. That's how the Spurs won the title last year despite their best player being probably the third best player in the Finals. If you watch game 1 of the Finals tonight, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how the Warriors play, on offense and D.

Jackson 2 · Jun 4, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
FWIW, the NBA has somewhat moved back in the direction of being a team sport. Defenses have evolved to the point that running isolation plays every time down the court just doesn't really work anymore, which has created a major emphasis on quick ball movement and floor spacing. That's how the Spurs won the title last year despite their best player being maybe the third best player in the Finals. If you watch game 1 of the Finals tonight, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by how the Warriors play, on offense and D.

Agree. The NBA today compared with just a couple of years ago is vastly different. Defense is key and the teams that go the furthest are those that move the ball. It still a star-driven league, but teamwork has become much more prevalent.

ralmat55 · Jun 4, 2015

Ivan said:
I don't see any way Goodell reduces Brady's suspension because doing so undercuts Wells and Vincent and wipes out the entire point of this exercise, which was to reestablish Göodell's status as Mr. Badass. So he will uphold the suspension and off to court go it will go.

Actually, I think the idea behind this exercise is to show Emperer Goodell to be an unbiased and fair arbitrator in wake of Bountygate and the Rice and Peterson cases. So, I would not be surprised if Goodell commutes Brady's suspension completely when he rules on the appeal.

Of course, Goodell will do so in a way to display his "fairness" rather than Brady' innocence.

Ivan · Jun 4, 2015

Kenneth Sims said:
Actually, I think the idea behind this exercise is to show Emperer Goodell to be an unbiased and fair arbitrator in wake of Bountygate and the Rice and Peterson cases. So, I would not be surprised if Goodell commutes Brady's suspension completely when he rules on the appeal.

Of course, Goodell will do so in a way to display his "fairness" rather than Brady' innocence.

My question on this is whether Brady can take the reduced sentence and still take them to court, or whether he had to reject the reduction to do so? A best case scenario is seeing the suspension cut in half and still roasting the league office @ss in court.

Patsfanin Philly · Jun 4, 2015

Ivan said:
My question on this is whether Brady can take the reduced sentence and still take them to court, or whether he had to reject the reduction to do so? A best case scenario is seeing the suspension cut in half and still roasting the league office @ss in court.

I could see the league making the reduction from 4 to 2 games contingent on Brady waiving all future claims i.e. no lawsuit...In which case I think he goes to court....
The kicker is if they offer to lower it to one game in exchange for a waiver of claims....Does BB approach Brady and ask him what he wants to do???? The union would push to defeat Goodell in court but BB is looking to put the best team out there and a future HOF QB is his best option...even if he sits for one game...
If I"m Brady I go b*lls to the wall to clear my name but I'm not him..............
Translation, I'm making wags like everyone else...

Ivan · Jun 4, 2015

Patsfanin Philly said:
I could see the league making the reduction from 4 to 2 games contingent on Brady waiving all future claims i.e. no lawsuit...In which case I think he goes to court....
The kicker is if they offer to lower it to one game in exchange for a waiver of claims....Does BB approach Brady and ask him what he wants to do???? The union would push to defeat Goodell in court but BB is looking to put the best team out there and a future HOF QB is his best option...even if he sits for one game...
If I"m Brady I go b*lls to the wall to clear my name but I'm not him..............
Translation, I'm making wags like everyone else...

Brady shouldn't take any deal IMO, take them to court, f.ck the NFL.

Patsfanin Philly · Jun 4, 2015

Ivan said:
Brady shouldn't take any deal IMO, take them to court, f.ck the NFL.

Absolutely but I'm trying to foresee some of the possibilites that may arise... And if Kraft said anything, if I'm Brady I politely tell him this doesn't concern him (aka gfy)

Ivan · Jun 4, 2015

Patsfanin Philly said:
Absolutely but I'm trying to foresee some of the possibilites that may arise... And if Kraft said anything, if I'm Brady I politely tell him this doesn't concern him (aka gfy)

Couldn't agree more.

nowayback · Jun 4, 2015

No way BB tries to influence TB , will just tell him do what you have to do . And as always BB will make do with what he has. This isn't a war where a personal sacrifice would help your country. Just a game, TFB do you what you have to do, clear your good name.

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