Judge tosses Lawsuit against Brady & Patriots..

Bobsyouruncle · Jun 2, 2015

Fixit said:
Oooookay. I'm still going with "spilled coffee means new pants = my fault" and "spilled coffee means skin grafts = corporate negligence."

There's your mistake. Spilled coffee= burns.

If I buy a brick and drop it on my foot then is it the fault of the brick maker because in my opinion dropping a brick on my foot = ouch instead of broken foot. Is my poor understanding of the physical properties of the item someone else's fault?

Fixit · Jun 2, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
There's your mistake. Spilled coffee= burns.

If I buy a brick and drop it on my foot then is it the fault of the brick maker because in my opinion dropping a brick on my foot = ouch instead of broken foot. Is my poor understanding of the physical properties of the item someone else's fault?

I've spilled coffee on myself many times. Never once needed surgery. Great point, though.

You can keep arguing and making lame comparisons, I don't really care to continue addressing this with you.

CopenhagenPatsfan · Jun 2, 2015

Clonamery said:
Actually she used the McDonald's drive thru but had an old pick-up with no drink holders or any place to put the coffee. So yeah, she put the coffee between her legs and when she took off the compression of her legs popped the lid off.

Scalding coffee and bad choices cause pain.

Actually, she wasn't driving, she was a passenger, and the car wasn't moving when she spilt the coffee. Read up on the case, you will find these facts to be true.

IcyPatriot · Jun 2, 2015

Can the Jet's be sued for impersonating an NFL team and causing great mental harm & stress to their fans?

The infamous Dr. Frank Moga Jr.

CopenhagenPatsfan · Jun 2, 2015

Anyone looking for the facts of coffee case, here is a link. I hate when people depend on newspaper headlines for their information, hmmm, that kind of sounds like Deflategate.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

ctpatsfan77 · Jun 2, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
Please, that's completely frivolous. 180 degrees is a very typical temperature. It's supposed to be brewed 195-205 so if course fresh coffee is hot. The extent of her injury does not somehow make McDonalds responsible. She could have tripped over the step, hit her head and died and it would not have been negligent step making simply because the injury sounds bad. I'm sure some people think it would, but FFS, coffee is hot, everybody knows it. There's absolutely no difference why McDonald's should be any more responsible than Lowes is for selling a knife to someone who cuts themselves. Life has some inherent dangers, the world isn't responsible for holding everyone's hands. People need to act like adults.

As a not-so-minor point, the jury found that she was 20% negligible (for not exercising more caution), and that McDonald's was 80% negligible (for serving very hot coffee with very little protection).

Rawky77 · Jun 2, 2015

nabwong said:
There are some really crazy people out there but what's crazier is people who have successfully sued and won for cases like 80 year old woman accidentally spilling hot coffee on herself. Wtf is wrong with this country.

Public Education.

Rawky77 · Jun 2, 2015

sb1 said:
So I looked up the guy who filed it. It appears he is a "guest" of the state of PA at the Benner Township Correctional Facility.

This isn't his first lawsuit, he also sued a WWE diva - also in handwritten form - for... well...
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...soner-tries-to-sue-wwe-diva-natalya-for-250k/

This type of action proves the saying that idle minds breed mischief.

Rawky77 · Jun 2, 2015

YOUGOTMOSSED said:
Because people don't know the facts of that case because slimeball corporations and insurance companies distort them as part of PR campaigns.

The classic one is the old lady (Stella Liebeck) who spilled coffee on her lap and sued McDonalds. What most people don't realize is Mc D's coffee was excessively hot, they were using cheap crappy cups, and the poor old lady suffered 3rd degree lap burns and required skin grafting. The final verdict was reduced by the trial judge to about $640k and it settled for an undisclosed amount during the appeals process.

Yeah and knowing at 89 she would never live to see the money she rightfully won they continued to appeal and they got her to negotiate for even less.
I hate corporate entities that have no soul and no hope of one and yet our Supremer Court recognizes them as having sufficient identities to give cash contributions without limits to politicians just like real people. This is just one of many travesty's in our legal system.

Rawky77 · Jun 2, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
There's your mistake. Spilled coffee= burns.

If I buy a brick and drop it on my foot then is it the fault of the brick maker because in my opinion dropping a brick on my foot = ouch instead of broken foot. Is my poor understanding of the physical properties of the item someone else's fault?

Only if the brick has been preheated to 160 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. MacDonald's liability was due to the temp of the coffee and the container.

Bobsyouruncle · Jun 2, 2015

Rawky77 said:
Only if the brick has been preheated to 160 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. MacDonald's liability was due to the temp of the coffee and the container.

The point is that the temp of the coffee in the container is typical and an inherent property of fresh coffee. Just as the weight of a brick is an inherent characteristic, or a knife being sharp is an inherent characteristic. You can no more blame McDonalds for making hot coffee than you could blame someone who makes bricks for making them heavy. Yes, you could injure yourself with these items but the qualities are known and predictable. The company could hardly be blamed for someone misusing a product (nobody warned me don't smash brick on foot!)

There is no logical distinction why coffee should occupy some special category where using it inappropriately is somehow the fault of the provider. There are infinite products that could injure when used inappropriately.

Marinlik · Jun 2, 2015

varjao said:

That game was almost as good as the super bowl. We killed the jets in so many ways that night. 3 touchdowns in 60 seconds. First the Vereen pass TD, Then the but fumble that showed everyone what a joke the Jets are, then the kickoff fumble/TED. Then to top it all off we killed of their mascot. We made their freaking mascot quit. How awesome isn't that? Just amazing.

varjao · Jun 2, 2015

Marinlik said:
That game was almost as good as the super bowl. We killed the jets in so many ways that night. 3 touchdowns in 60 seconds. First the Vereen pass TD, Then the but fumble that showed everyone what a joke the Jets are, then the kickoff fumble/TED. Then to top it all off we killed of their mascot. We made their freaking mascot quit. How awesome isn't that? Just amazing.

I remember spying in the gang green forum that week, they were celebrating Gronk was not going to play and because of that they thought they had a chance, lol

Rawky77 · Jun 2, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
The point is that the temp of the coffee in the container is typical and an inherent property of fresh coffee. Just as the weight of a brick is an inherent characteristic, or a knife being sharp is an inherent characteristic. You can no more blame McDonalds for making hot coffee than you could blame someone who makes bricks for making them heavy. Yes, you could injure yourself with these items but the qualities are known and predictable. The company could hardly be blamed for someone misusing a product (nobody warned me don't smash brick on foot!)

There is no logical distinction why coffee should occupy some special category where using it inappropriately is somehow the fault of the provider. There are infinite products that could injure when used inappropriately.

While I agree with your perception that we devalue personal responsibility while increasing third party responsibilities, I believe your analogy is not quite specific enough.

As link below Reveals:

Coffee is best served at a temperature between 155ºF and 175ºF(70ºC to 80ºC). Most people prefer it towards the higher end, at about 175ºF.

Do you remember that lawsuit that MacDonalds lost when a customer scalded herself after she spilled some of her coffee?

Back then the MacDonalds manual for its employees stated that coffee should be served at "195 to 205 degrees and held at 180 to 190 degrees for optimal taste."

As they discovered when they lost the case, that was too hot.

You won’t go far wrong at 175ºF.

http://www.coffeedetective.com/what-is-the-correct-temperature-for-serving-coffee.html

If we use your analogy the brick sold to the 89 yr old lady weighed ½ lb. too much. And they gave her a string insufficient to carry the brick without braking.

Jackson 2 · Jun 2, 2015

Rawky77 said:
Public Education.

Is that where you learned to capitalize a word which is neither the first word in a sentence nor a proper noun?

Rawky77 · Jun 2, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
Is that where you learned to capitalize a word which is neither the first word in a sentence nor a proper noun?

If used as a proper name it is appropriate is it not? In America the use of language is far from rigid, as our popular culture proves.

Jackson 2 · Jun 2, 2015

Rawky77 said:
If used as a proper name it is appropriate is it not? In America the use of language is far from rigid, as our popular culture proves.

In response to your question, when used as you employed the term, the answer is "no." In regard to your second sentence, the use of proper English is just that - namely, proper. Appropriate capitalization in accordance with proper English exists without regard to popular culture. Its bastardization has become common due to the influence of entities other than quality schools, whether public or private.

Rawky77 · Jun 2, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
In response to your question, when used as you employed the term, the answer is "no." In regard to your second sentence, the use of proper English is just that - namely, proper. Appropriate capitalization in accordance with proper English exists without regard to popular culture. Its bastardization has become common due to the influence of entities other than quality schools, whether public or private.

Your desire to maintain proper English, while praise worthy, it is a futile endeavor for the very reason you claim as being your primary support,Public Schools.

Have you really taken a look at what is being taught in Public Schools? What i mean by really taken a look is personally reviewing the texts they are using. While i have not attended private or Public Schools in more then 4o yrs i do have grand children in them and what was education in my day does not exist today. To blame that on entities other than Public Education itself is simply denial.

TBR · Jun 3, 2015

It's unbelievable how pathetic people are proving themselves to be over this. Truly hysterical.

Wow. Hate has no limits. All over a game of football played & watched for fun. It's quite sad, actually.

ChoWZa · Jun 3, 2015

Rawky77 said:
Coffee is best served at a temperature between 155ºF and 175ºF(70ºC to 80ºC). Most people prefer it towards the higher end, at about 175ºF.

Back then the MacDonalds manual for its employees stated that coffee should be served at "195 to 205 degrees and held at 180 to 190 degrees for optimal taste."

What does a taste preference have to do with how safe a temperature it is? So a liquid at 175 is safe to pour on yourself but at 195 it is not? Funny to be talking about this now, but if she was found only 20% negligent because coffee should be served at 175 according to taste then McDonalds received a substantial injustice.

Pouring coffee on yourself is a misuse of the coffee. If someone served me coffee at 175 and I immediately took off the lid and tried to chug it all I'd do some damage too. Maybe I should try to rinse my eyes with it, or wash my hands, like a coffee scented soap. I think all beverages should come with instruction manuals. IMO

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