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Here's the DeflateHate Pressurization Summary that I wrote for my daughter:

The Wells report concluded that the Patriots balls were deflated.

The facts everyone agrees upon are:
· Patriot balls were measured at approximately 12.5 PSI both by the Patriots gauge and the pre-game gauge used by referee Walt Andersen; Walt Andersen did not adjust the football pressure pre-game (Conclusion: Patriots gauge = pre-game gauge used by referee)
· Colt balls were measured at approximately 13.0 PSI by both the Colts gauge and the pre-game gauge used by referee Walt Andersen; Walt Andersen did not adjust pressure pre-game (Conclusion: Colts gauge = pre-game gauge used by referee)
· There were 2 gauges the referees used: the “logo” gauge and the “non-logo” gauge. The logo gauge produces readings on average .38 PSI higher than the non-logo gauge.
· Walt Anderson remembers taking the pre-game readings with the logo gauge; (the Wells report claims he used the non-logo gauge pre-game)
· According to the Wells report, the Ideal Gas Law predicts that balls measuring 12.5 PSI in a 72 degree room would show a pressurization between 11.32 and 11.52 PSI in the actual game conditions (50 degrees and rainy)
· Balls pressures at halftime of the 11 Patriots footballs were taken using both the logo and non-logo gauges
o The logo gauge showed an average PSI of 11.49
o The non-logo gauge showed an average PSI of 11.11

If the logo gauge was used for pre-game measurements, than there were clearly no deflation of the footballs as 11.49 is on the high end of the expected 11.32 -> 11.52 pressurization range.

If the non-logo gauge was used, the average PSI of 11.11 is below the expected 11.32 bottom threshold and deflation is considerably more likely (but not proven).

So, which gauge was used? Fortunately, there is evidence that clearly points to one gauge over the other beyond Walt Andersen’s memory. The intercepted football was measured 3 different times (while outside) and the average pressure measured was 11.52. Since this was measured with the Colts gauge and the Colts gauge readings matched the readings of the gauge used by Walt Anderson pre-game, then this gives a strong indication of which gauge was used pre-game. That is, if other footballs measured at half-time match the 11.52 reading, then this strongly suggests that that gauge was also used for the pre-game readings. The 11.52 reading matches the 11.49 average readings of the logo gauge, therefore it is highly likely that the logo gauge was used for pre-game measurement.

Therefore, there was no deflation of the footballs.

Not quite.
First you are using 4 significant figures. Invalid. The gages at best read 3 significant figures and you cite a substantive discrepancy in the 3rd figure above (logo vs non logo)
It is NOT KNOWN pre game wether the refs used PRECISE 12.5 psi or thereabouts (within a tenth or so)

Therefore as I have said from the first day, the error bars are wider than the results such that any of the #s would fit well within the error bars of the result.

Zero scientific indication of deflation by a person.
 
In his May 20th press conference, Goodell said "I have great admiration and respect for Tom Brady, but the rules have to be enforced on a uniform basis and they apply to everybody in the league. They apply to every club, every individual coach, every individual player and that is something where we put the game ahead of everybody."

How is letting the Vikings and Panthers off with warning enforcing the rules "on a uniform basis?" Along those lines, how do the 49ers and Lions get one punishment for tampering, but the Jets get a lesser punishment for the same infraction?

It's amazing that people can listen to what Goodell says, see that the opposite is true, and continue on like nothing unusual is happening.

The American football fan will start going after Roger's head when football is played like croquet.

The owners will go after Roger once they start losing money.

Until then he can do anything he wants and still have job security. Thats why Bob gave up.

No one gives a crap if the commissioner is a jerk. Look at Gary Bettman. The guy has been in office since 1993 and is the most despised exec there is (not including FIFA) by the fans. IE- no one cares if the commissioner is a jerk.
 
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one error in that synopsis, other than the use of a 4th significant figure:

The ball from the D’Qwell Jackson interception was tested by a gauge that Wells believes was the Patriots’ regular gauge. (page 65 footnote). The pressure of the Patriots ball that had been intercepted by the Colts was separately tested three times and the measurements—11.45, 11.35 and 11.75 psi, respectively-- were written on athletic tape that had been placed on the ball for identification (Wells report page 70). Average: 11.52, given the imprecise nature of the gauge readings, you'd call that about 11.5.

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taken this into account, your argument (slightly tweaked) is a great one Truth Seeker:

Factual statements that everyone can agree upon
1) Patriot footballs before the game were measured at approximately 12.5 PSI both by the Patriots gauge and by the pre-game gauge used by referee Walt Andersen; as Walt Andersen remembers that he did not have to adjust the football pressure in more than 1 or 2 of 24 footballs in his pre-game checks (Conclusion: the Patriots gauge reads about the same pressure as the pre-game gauge used by Andersen).

2) Colt footballs were measured at approximately 13.0 PSI by both the Colts gauge and the by pre-game gauge used by referee Walt Andersen; Walt Andersen did not adjust pressure of any/many Colts footballs pre-game (Conclusion: the Colts gauge reads about the same pressure as the pre-game gauge used by Andersen).

3) There were 2 gauges the referees used at HALFTIME: the “logo” gauge and the “non-logo” gauge. The logo gauge always produces readings typically 0.3-0.5 psi (average .38) higher than the non-logo gauge. Given the imprecise nature of the gauges, 0.4 is a good estimate.

4) Walt Anderson’s best recollection is that he took the pre-game readings with the logo gauge.

5) The Wells report assumes that Walt Anderson used the non-logo gauge in his pre-game checks.

6) According to the Wells report, the Ideal Gas Law predicts that balls measuring 12.5 PSI in a 71 degree room would show a pressurization between 11.32 and 11.52 PSI in the actual game conditions (48 degrees). Given the imprecise nature of the gauges, 11.3-11.5 is a good estimate of what to expect.

7) Football pressures at halftime of the 11 Patriots footballs were taken using both the logo and non-logo gauges; The logo gauge showed an average PSI of 11.5 (average of readings = 11.49) ; The non-logo gauge showed an average PSI of 11.1 (average of readings =11.11)

8) If the logo gauge was used for Anderson’s pre-game measurements, than there were clearly no deflation of the footballs: 11.5 is within the expected 11.3 -11.5 pressurization range.

9) If the non-logo gauge was used for Anderson’s pre-game measurements, the average PSI of 11.1 is below the expected 11.3-11.5 range, and thus factors other than temperature could be involved, including the possibility of tampering with some, but not all, of the footballs (because 3 of the footballs were 11.3 psi or above, even with the non-logo gauge).

Thus the key question is: which gauge did Anderson use in pregame? It makes all of the difference, a finding of “no tampering is possible” vs. a finding of “tampering possible”.

Fortunately, there is evidence (besides his memory) as to which gauge he used. This comes from the data on the 12th Patriots football, the intercepted football, which was not tested at halftime but was tested 3 different times (while outside, on the Colts sideline) with the pressure gauge borrowed from the Patriots.

The average pressure was 11.5 psi (average of readings = 11.52), within the expected 11.3 - 11.5 pressurization range. This gives a strong indication of which gauge Anderson used in his pre-game checks. He used the gauge, that for the other 11 footballs, gave an average reading of 11.5 psi at halftime.

Simply put, 11.5 is much more like 11.5 than it is like 11.1. Remember: the footballs were nearly alike in pressure to start with.

It is clearly more likely that not that the logo gauge was used for his pre-game measurements.

Therefore, there was no deflation of the footballs whatsoever, by anyone.
 
From this conversation it looks like we are talking about a 0.20 psi difference between spec and actual.

I have a question for someone that knows what an actual football inflated to proper pressure (12.5psi) feels like when compared to one inflated to 12.3 (12.5psi - 0.20psi)?

12.5 vs. 12.3 psi.

I don't know if that difference would make any difference at all in performance of the QB.

Who knows?
 
From this conversation it looks like we are talking about a 0.20 psi difference between spec and actual.

I have a question for someone that knows what an actual football inflated to proper pressure (12.5psi) feels like when compared to one inflated to 12.3 (12.5psi - 0.20psi)?

12.5 vs. 12.3 psi.

I don't know if that difference would make any difference at all in performance of the QB.

Who knows?

Come to think about it.... ......
Is all of this about 0.20 psi?

Really?
 
From this conversation it looks like we are talking about a 0.20 psi difference between spec and actual.

I have a question for someone that knows what an actual football inflated to proper pressure (12.5psi) feels like when compared to one inflated to 12.3 (12.5psi - 0.20psi)?

12.5 vs. 12.3 psi.

I don't know if that difference would make any difference at all in performance of the QB.

Who knows?




That's the video.

Also, ESPN conveniently took this video off of their website during the height of the false leaks from Morten Anderson.

It's completely obvious this has been a premeditated attack on Brady and the Pats from day 1
 
email just sent to Mike Florio.

Mike,

As you know, the key unanswered question is: which gauge did referee Walt Anderson use in his pregame football pressure checks? It makes all of the difference, a finding of “it looks like no tampering happened” vs. a finding of “tampering looks like a possible cause of this”.

Fortunately, there is a previously IGNORED piece of evidence that points toward which gauge Walt Anderson really did use.

Consider the data obtained from the 12th Patriots football, the intercepted football, which was not tested at halftime but was tested 3 different times by James Daniel, the NFL Director of Game Operations. Daniel used the pressure gauge that (according to Wells) was the Patriots normal gauge (page 65, Wells report: "Daniel retrieved a gauge that was near the air pump in the dressing area of the Locker Room, and they tested the intercepted ball three times before the balance of the game balls were brought back to the Officials Locker Room"; note 36: "We believe that Daniel located and used the pressure gauge supplied by the Patriots. We further believe that this is the gauge that John Jastremski considers his normal gauge".)

The Patriots normal gauge reads much like the gauge that Walt Anderson used in pregame tests, per Wells Report Exponent supplement page 1: "later Walt Anderson recalled that when tested pre-game, most of the Patriots footballs measured at 12.5 pounds per square inch-gauge (psig), though there may have been one or two that measured at 12.6 psig. In addition, two game balls initially measured below 12.5 psig and were inflated and adjusted to 12.5 psig."

The average pressure of the intercepted football was 11.5 psi (average of readings = 11.52; I think that the two decimal point precision is clearly unwarranted, given the obviously large error bars). Wells report page 70: "the measurements—11.45, 11.35 and 11.75 psi, respectively— were written on athletic tape that had been placed on the ball for identification".

This football, oddly the very one that has been pointed at as starting the ruckus, was thus within the expected ideal gas law range of 11.3-11.5 (Wells Report raw numbers for this range = 11.32-11.52).

This 11.5 reading on the intercepted football gives a strong indication ("more likely than not") of which gauge Anderson used in his pre-game checks. He used the gauge that, for the other 11 footballs, gave about the same average reading (11.49 psi) at halftime: the "logo" gauge. Simply put, 11.5 is much more like 11.5 than it is like 11.1. Remember, the Patriots footballs were nearly alike in pressure to start with.

Another way of saying it: the logo gauge reads more like the Patriots gauge, based upon the aggregate set of in-game measurements. The Patriots gauge reads like the gauge that was used in pregame checks, based upon Anderson's recollection of having to adjust very few Patriots footballs (2 of 24?) in those pregame checks. Thus A=B and B=C, and then A=C (more likely than not!).

If Walt Anderson indeed used the logo gauge in pregame checks, then only the halftime measurements taken with the logo gauge are valid. This set of data showed that 3 Patriots footballs were a little LOWER than expected based on temperature effects (0.3-0.4 psi outside of range, footballs #2, #4, and #10, Wells report table on page 8), 4 Patriots footballs were a little HIGHER than expected (0.3-0.4 psi outside of range, footballs #1, #6, #7, #8), and the other 5 Patriots footballs were in the range where you would expect them to be. There is obvious variability of pressure readings: the very same person (Daniels) used the very same gauge to test pressure on the very same ball and had readings that varied by 0.4 psi. Thus a reasonable person would have to doubt whether an 0.3-0.4 psi difference is a reliable indicator of ANYTHING, especially since just as many footballs were on the high end as were on the low end.

A contrarian can take the odd position that McNally deflated 3 footballs by a nearly imperceptible amount, inflated 4 footballs by a nearly imperceptible amount, and left 5 footballs alone, while then (logically) laughing to himself about how Tom Brady will now have now no idea what to expect every time that a ref puts a new football into play.

It seems more reasonable to conclude that McNally used his bathroom break for its normal purpose, that the logo gauge was used for Walt Anderson's pre-game measurements, and that football pressure data supports the argument that, more likely than not, air was not removed from the Patriots footballs by anyone. It is still unclear, though, whether Tom Brady might have been generally aware that this was not happening!

Regards,
(Me)
 
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Another simple point, brought up before but a good one.

Let's say you are Walt Anderson.

You pressure-checked at least 36 game footballs and backup footballs with one gauge during pregame tests. Thus each ball was poked at least once with a needle. The few footballs that needed their pressure re-adjusted were poked more. He likely used the same gauge on all of the kicking balls too.

One needle is long with a strangely sharp bend. The other looks to be half as long (if not less) and is generally straight.

Would you likely "misremember" that you had used the long, crooked one 40 times (or more) in a row, as Wells insists? The needles really do not look much alike at all:

logononlogo.jpg
 
Nice writeup PBPF, you should send it out to more people in addition to Florio
 
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My wife and I had dinner last night with another couple and the wife went to law school with DeMaurice Smith. She had only had nice things to say about him. She said he was really, really bright and that Brady was lucky to have him on his legal team.

Then she threw in that she was sure he was guilty of something - after all she is a lawyer and a Jets fan. I couldn't expect her to grasp the science and admit that the Patriots were innocent of acting badly. :)
Gie her both sides of the story and ask which one she'd choose to defend in a court of law. And if TB must be guilty of something, then what is it? Being an awesome QB? Living a life that (while earned) is beyond us normal folks? Being a Patriot Player?
 
Another simple point, brought up before but a good one.

Let's say you are Walt Anderson.

You pressure-checked at least 36 game footballs and backup footballs with one gauge during pregame tests. Thus each ball was poked at least once with a needle. The few footballs that needed their pressure re-adjusted were poked more. He likely used the same gauge on all of the kicking balls too.

One needle is long with a strangely sharp bend. The other looks to be half as long (if not less) and is generally straight.

Would you likely "misremember" that you had used the long, crooked one 40 times (or more) in a row, as Wells insists? The needles really do not look much alike at all:

logononlogo.jpg


I know this has been mentioned before, but it doesn't hurt to keep pointing things out in the hopes that more people "get it", and seeing the image of the gauges in your post brought it front and center to my attention again.

If the PSI in the balls is so important then why are the officials using random, uncalibrated equipment? Why aren't the gauges under league supervision and subjected to periodic calibration?

We know the answer, it is because it was only made retroactively important when it became a vehicle to try and damage the Pats.
 
The American football fan will start going after Roger's head when football is played like croquet.

The owners will go after Roger once they start losing money.

Until then he can do anything he wants and still have job security. Thats why Bob gave up.

No one gives a crap if the commissioner is a jerk. Look at Gary Bettman. The guy has been in office since 1993 and is the most despised exec their is (not including FIFA) by the fans. IE- no one cares if the commissioner is a jerk.

You pretty much just wrote the spot on thesis for 'When Good would be fired and when Goodell will not be fired'.
The owners will have to see a tangible loss or feel the distinct fear of a tangible loss is coming before Goodell is considered even close to persona non grata. Or Fans will have to stop watching in numbers greater than a minimum 3% versus previous year's numbers (3% drop may not seem like much but it is a very unlikely number to be seen).

Picking on Brady and the Patriots pretty much is a no lose for Goodell. Doing so does not risk losing viewership or fandom in any way (arguably it will increase it). It is what it is...

Good post RW...
 
You pretty much just wrote the spot on thesis for 'When Good would be fired and when Goodell will not be fired'.
The owners will have to see a tangible loss or feel the distinct fear of a tangible loss is coming before Goodell is considered even close to persona non grata. Or Fans will have to stop watching in numbers greater than a minimum 3% versus previous year's numbers (3% drop may not seem like much but it is a very unlikely number to be seen).

Picking on Brady and the Patriots pretty much is a no lose for Goodell. Doing so does not risk losing viewership or fandom in any way (arguably it will increase it). It is what it is...

Good post RW...
Thanks. I wish I was wrong. :(
 
A Jets fan was whining to me the other day and it brought up a question about the fines that Goodell takes away from the players. Where does that money go? It must be a pretty good chunk of change.

Also, how do fines affect the salary cap for a team if they get to deduct a half million or more from their payroll for a suspended player? My guess is that the team wouldn't be affected unless they fell below the lowest allowable salary %, whatever that may be.

I don't have much faith in Smith. Not when I see how much the NFLPA gave up in the last contract dispute.
 
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Here's the DeflateHate Pressurization Summary that I wrote for my daughter:

The Wells report concluded that the Patriots balls were deflated.

The facts everyone agrees upon are:
· Patriot balls were measured at approximately 12.5 PSI both by the Patriots gauge and the pre-game gauge used by referee Walt Andersen; Walt Andersen did not adjust the football pressure pre-game (Conclusion: Patriots gauge = pre-game gauge used by referee)
· Colt balls were measured at approximately 13.0 PSI by both the Colts gauge and the pre-game gauge used by referee Walt Andersen; Walt Andersen did not adjust pressure pre-game (Conclusion: Colts gauge = pre-game gauge used by referee)
· There were 2 gauges the referees used: the “logo” gauge and the “non-logo” gauge. The logo gauge produces readings on average .38 PSI higher than the non-logo gauge.
· Walt Anderson remembers taking the pre-game readings with the logo gauge; (the Wells report claims he used the non-logo gauge pre-game)
· According to the Wells report, the Ideal Gas Law predicts that balls measuring 12.5 PSI in a 72 degree room would show a pressurization between 11.32 and 11.52 PSI in the actual game conditions (50 degrees and rainy)
· Balls pressures at halftime of the 11 Patriots footballs were taken using both the logo and non-logo gauges
o The logo gauge showed an average PSI of 11.49
o The non-logo gauge showed an average PSI of 11.11

If the logo gauge was used for pre-game measurements, than there were clearly no deflation of the footballs as 11.49 is on the high end of the expected 11.32 -> 11.52 pressurization range.

If the non-logo gauge was used, the average PSI of 11.11 is below the expected 11.32 bottom threshold and deflation is considerably more likely (but not proven).

So, which gauge was used? Fortunately, there is evidence that clearly points to one gauge over the other beyond Walt Andersen’s memory. The intercepted football was measured 3 different times (while outside) and the average pressure measured was 11.52. Since this was measured with the Colts gauge and the Colts gauge readings matched the readings of the gauge used by Walt Anderson pre-game, then this gives a strong indication of which gauge was used pre-game. That is, if other footballs measured at half-time match the 11.52 reading, then this strongly suggests that that gauge was also used for the pre-game readings. The 11.52 reading matches the 11.49 average readings of the logo gauge, therefore it is highly likely that the logo gauge was used for pre-game measurement.

Therefore, there was no deflation of the footballs.


Good summary while working within the Well's report assumptions (of course Joker is right - all of the assumptions and lack of any kind of quality control invalidates any "scientific findings"). The only thing that was left out is countering the argument – “Well if the Pat’s didn’t deflate the balls and if all the loss can be attributed to the Ideal Gas Law – then why did the Patriots’ balls have a higher percentage loss than the Colts’ balls when both sets of balls were exposed to the same environment, huh huh?”

Good question – and the short answer is that although the balls were outside for the same amount of time in the same stadium – they were exposed to a different set of conditions for different durations.

The Patriots had the football on offense for the last 4:54 of the first half (minus colt’s kneel down to end the half). While the Patriots’ footballs were exposing to the deflating element of the rain right before halftime when the balls were measured the Colts footballs were being held in trash bags (The Patriots being more manly – do not use bags- exposing the footballs more to the rain/deflating elements).

When the footballs were moved into a dry warmer environment during halftime they were both gaining pressure. The Colt’s balls which were measure last had roughly 10 additional minutes of temperature aided pressure gain, which alone more than accounts for the differential.

http://emailwagon.blogspot.com/2015/05/how-i-trashed-wells-report-from-swan.html
 
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From this conversation it looks like we are talking about a 0.20 psi difference between spec and actual.

I have a question for someone that knows what an actual football inflated to proper pressure (12.5psi) feels like when compared to one inflated to 12.3 (12.5psi - 0.20psi)?

12.5 vs. 12.3 psi.

I don't know if that difference would make any difference at all in performance of the QB.

Who knows?
I did the feel test with the original 12.5 down to 10.5 and the difference was barely perceptible at 2 psi. The reason they could tell on television was that they were allowed to do a direct comparison with another football. However, if someone threw you a 10.5 psi football the last thing you would say is this feels soft. So at .2-.3 psi drop is so insignificant that it's madness to think that one would go to extreme lengths to do it. I still can't get over that no one seems to think it would be the coincidence of a lifetime that if the Pats deflated the balls the air let out was equal to the difference in the 2 gauges.
 
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