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Why I think Kraft caved in.


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"You had me at 'The full 32'".
 
Aww, that picture is so sweet. Its great how the male closes his eyes and whispers endearments into the ear.
 
I think you're referring to the NFL Game Operations Manual.

The acceptable PSI levels (12.5 to 13.5) are listed in the rulebook itself on the page which discusses "The Ball". However, as we all now know, having a legal range of only 1 PSI is ridiculous for a game played in extreme elements. Heck, we don't even need "extreme elements" to bring a properly inflated ball down below 12.5.... 50 degrees will do it.

The Game Operations Manual is the book which specifies the things you cannot do to the ball and recommends a guideline of a $25,000 fine for tampering with the ball after inspection.

So when Carolina gets caught red handed tampering with the ball they get a mildly-worded letter of warning. When the Patriots are found guilty to have tampered on the flimsiest of evidence, well you know the rest.

Thank you! I couldn't recall when I posted what the darn thing was called!
 
I am so tired about talking about Deflaggate and wether Brady was stupid with his presser or comments after and if Kraft gave in to pressure from the wealthy. Lets get on with football and regardless how we start, lets go with Jimmy G. I can't control what happens but for sure I support the Pats, first. If Brdy wins great, if he loses so be it. I have moved on.
 
This. I think the real reason Kraft didn't appeal is because it was putting a harsh on his party. It's really that simple. It might have felt right at the time - but if Tom Brady goes after the NFL in court likely he is going to end up feeling pretty stupid. I have no doubt that he devalued his team some with that decision as well.

"Putting a harsh on his party." O.k., that's it; I'm officially old.
 
Why would the other owners tell him he can't appeal?
Jones, Snyder and Spanos all did.

You think goodell wouildgive him a fair hearing, I don't. Futile, is how Jonathan Kraft described it.

The appeal that's going to leave a mark is brady and the players union and I think it's better not to distract from that. Just my opinion.

If I thought there was a 1% chance that Kraft's appeal to goodell would accomplish anything, I'd be for it.
 
You think goodell wouildgive him a fair hearing, I don't. Futile, is how Jonathan Kraft described it.

The appeal that's going to leave a mark is brady and the players union and I think it's better not to distract from that. Just my opinion.

If I thought there was a 1% chance that Kraft's appeal to goodell would accomplish anything, I'd be for it.

Thanks to Bob's abrupt turnabout and cave we will never, ever know.

And that leaves aside the myriad opportunities for someone, anyone in the media to take notice of Kraft's appeal case and ask, you know, journalist questions. But that opportunity was pissed away...for what?
 
Thanks to Bob's abrupt turnabout and cave we will never, ever know.

And that leaves aside the myriad opportunities for someone, anyone in the media to take notice of Kraft's appeal case and ask, you know, journalist questions. But that opportunity was pissed away...for what?

He was talking to him and the owners at their meeting. He knew. His son Jonathan called it futile. He would have had to go to the guy he was already talking to and beg him to rescind the punishment.

Do you seriously think arbitrator goodell, would have contradicted prosecutor goodell and said "I was only kidding about those punishments?"

Tell me why you would think that.
 
Thanks to Bob's abrupt turnabout and cave we will never, ever know.

And that leaves aside the myriad opportunities for someone, anyone in the media to take notice of Kraft's appeal case and ask, you know, journalist questions. But that opportunity was pissed away...for what?

Ask journalist questions of the guy who just gave a press conference and lied and evaded.

Again, why would you expect something from the dictator?
 
Thanks to Bob's abrupt turnabout and cave we will never, ever know.

And that leaves aside the myriad opportunities for someone, anyone in the media to take notice of Kraft's appeal case and ask, you know, journalist questions. But that opportunity was pissed away...for what?

Excuse makers will find some excuses, just as they've been doing all along.
 
Sometimes you make an effort even if futile to show your peers that you are willing to stand up to the bully so that they won't shaft you in the future. All Kraft did is invite them to do it him again. For a so called smart guy, he has a poor learning curve.
 
He was talking to him and the owners at their meeting. He knew. His son Jonathan called it futile. He would have had to go to the guy he was already talking to and beg him to rescind the punishment.

Do you seriously think arbitrator goodell, would have contradicted prosecutor goodell and said "I was only kidding about those punishments?"

Tell me why you would think that.

Ray Clay, just stop making sense please. You're confusing everybody.
 
You think goodell wouildgive him a fair hearing, I don't. Futile, is how Jonathan Kraft described it.

The appeal that's going to leave a mark is brady and the players union and I think it's better not to distract from that. Just my opinion.

If I thought there was a 1% chance that Kraft's appeal to goodell would accomplish anything, I'd be for it.

Well- I would make a stink and I would take it public on every damn talk show including Oprah! It would be a point by point rebuttal of the Wells report. I would not have any opening ceremonies for the banner at the Game and have it out in the lot and refuse the league the right to televise it but show it on their webpage. Let the cameras pan to thousands of Goddell sucks placards during the game.
 
I've spent way more time than I should have spent thinking about this since Kraft made his statement in San Francisco (am I the only one on the Board who figured out that it was over before he uttered a single word when I saw that Kraft would be standing behind an NFL Podium with an NFL banner as a backdrop? If you can bear to go back to the thread from the time leading up to his remarks, you'll see that I called peoples' attention to the NFL insignia in a comment before he entered the room.)

Agree or disagree as I might, there are all sorts of reasons why Kraft might have chosen not to take the NFL to Court. Bylaws reasons. Al Davis comparison reasons. Expense reasons. Emotional stress and hassle reasons. "I'm too old for this ****" reasons. Any one of a lot of other reasons. I don't have to agree with any of them, but they can each be argued as plausible.

But, what I haven't been able to get my head around is why he didn't Appeal. The bylaws allow for an Appeal. It could have been handled in a professional and even polite manner. He'd already set up a "truth site" and made vigorous verbal defenses of Brady and the staff. So, why did he change course?

For the "good of the 32?" ********. In addition to spending too much time thinking about this, I've also spent more time than I'd like with highly "successful" and extremely wealthy men. Except in rare cases where family is involved, they don't do something like Kraft did by foregoing his right to Appeal for altruistic reasons. So, the explanation that he did it "for the good of the 32" is nonsense. Guys like Kraft don't think or act like that. His TV contract revenues and the revenues of the other 31 are all guaranteed. By the time the contract comes up for renewal, his appeal would have been a fly speck on a distant horizon. The "32" were all going to continue doing just fine if he appealed.

Because he's a "coward?" Nah. You don't make $4b or so in your life be being a coward. That's easy rhetoric for people to throw around out here and if it's what you think, that 's fine. Please don't try to make me buy it.

So, that leaves me with five possible explanations.

He got something that he wanted in return for not appealing. We can have no idea what that is or was. People have speculated endlessly, but that's all a waste of time since it's unknowable. Maybe it was a deal for Brady, whom he has described as his "son" and thus of whom he would think as a family member, or maybe it was something as crass as Goodell's promise that the League would push for Kraft's induction into Canton sooner rather than later. Maybe it was for an outsized say in the Los Angeles franchise selection. So, one explanation is that he sold out in return for something he wanted. I think there's about a 65% chance that that's why he did it. In other words, about two to one.

He decided to eat the penalties for the team and bet that Goodell would blink when it came to upholding Brady's suspension since, unlike Kraft, Brady would have no constraints if it came to suing the League, including no financial constraints. Maybe he figured that the last thing Goodell wants is for anybody to force litigation and discovery and by removing the threat of an Appeal by the team, he felt he was leaving the door open for Goodell to say that the penalty to the team was enough and Brady was free to play on opening night. No "deal" was made, but Kraft calculated it that way. 15% chance.

The League threatened him in some way. Perhaps there was some sort of "smoking gun" regarding Deflategate or, more likely, regarding something else about which we will never know. So, another explanation is that he was blackmailed in some "polite" way to shut up. Maybe a 10% chance that that was the reason.

He decided that Brady and the equipment guys were guilty as charged to some degree. He either got more information or he reviewed the facts again and concluded that Brady and the deflators were "probably" complicit in something that was against the rules. So, another explanation is that he decided to keep up his public denial but basically believed he was lying to do so. I'd give that about a 5% chance.

He decided that "Revenge is a dish best served cold" and decided to give up on this but get Goodell later by making it impossible for him to remain as Commissioner beyond his current contract. Another 5%.
 
I kinda think maybe you nailed it when you were talking about the possibility of a lawsuit.
"I'm too old for this ****" (except he felt that way about the appeal process)...I think he was feeling like the whole thing is silly and below him, he said something like...let's move beyond the rhetoric...I think he wanted to move on and get away from it. I think he kinda miscalculated things a little bit.
 
But, what I haven't been able to get my head around is why he didn't Appeal. The bylaws allow for an Appeal. It could have been handled in a professional and even polite manner. He'd already set up a "truth site" and made vigorous verbal defenses of Brady and the staff. So, why did he change course?

You are overthinking this. Bob didn't get the welcome he normally got at the owner's meetings. He wanted to party and chill with his buddies - so he made the statement. He explained this in his statement. How he felt welcome before and didn't now.. <g>

If the meetings had been later - he might have appealed. Even ESPN mentioned how the owners meetings when they were was good for the NFL with Kraft. The fact that people like you still think Kraft has some 'trick' up his sleeve is laughable. This was the time to cash in any favour..
 
You think goodell wouildgive him a fair hearing, I don't. Futile, is how Jonathan Kraft described it.
That is simply ludicrous. First Goodell welcomed Brady to bring new information to his appeal. Secondly, there is nothing gained by Goodell by listening to a valid appeal and accepting it. He has done so before.
And we know the appeal was strong. The only 'evidence' that he had no chance was your desire to make him look better. Spare me his son's covering for his mistake.

The appeal that's going to leave a mark is brady and the players union and I think it's better not to distract from that. Just my opinion.
There would be no distraction. Why would Kraft value 'distraction from Bradys appeal' if there even could be such a thing over a 1 a 4 and a million?

If I thought there was a 1% chance that Kraft's appeal to goodell would accomplish anything, I'd be for it.
So we agree, you just don't want to admit it.
 
You think goodell wouildgive him a fair hearing, I don't. Futile, is how Jonathan Kraft described it.

The appeal that's going to leave a mark is brady and the players union and I think it's better not to distract from that. Just my opinion.

If I thought there was a 1% chance that Kraft's appeal to goodell would accomplish anything, I'd be for it.

No one expected a fair hearing however the Patriots were on the offensive and getting traction as The Wells Report was being shredded on a daily basis, and whether they lost the appeal or not keeping the light on just how biased and factually wrong the Wells Report was, and just how dishonest and corrupt the league office is was the right thing for this franchise to keep doing, folding the way Kraft did essentially destroyed that momentum and made the Patriots look guilty of something they are innocent of. Kraft should have treated Goodell as though he were dead to him and made it clear he would be doing everything in whatever power he had to take his job away from him.

I'm 100% opposed to people going to Gillette at any time and hurling obscenities at Kraft or booing him, I think it would be childish, classless, and bad for team morale, that doesn't however change the fact that what he did was bad for his team and fans and that he has shown enough poor judgment to step down as team president.

I truly hope that the Kraft's understand the mood in New England enough to not have Robert Kraft front and center at the raising of the banner, because that unfortunately could turn into a really ugly scene. A better approach would be to make Bruschi the master of ceremonies, bring back a bunch of all time great Patriots and have Brady be the one to hoist the banner when that time comes. The Kraft's should stay quiet and stay in the owners box.
 
I kinda think maybe you nailed it when you were talking about the possibility of a lawsuit.
"I'm too old for this ****" (except he felt that way about the appeal process)...I think he was feeling like the whole thing is silly and below him, he said something like...let's move beyond the rhetoric...I think he wanted to move on and get away from it. I think he kinda miscalculated things a little bit.

You need to have grounds for a lawsuit. "We gave him unlimited powers, but I don't like how he used them." isn't really grounds, is it? Unless he succeeds in destroying the anti-trust exemption, the courts have no say in what penalties are assessed to any team.
 
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