Pats Fan: Why I'm giving up on the NFL (The MMQB w/ Peter King)

RecoveringCowboy said:

...you mean like: "Should Goodell have been aborted?"





hope it's obvious that was a one-liner and don't want to dwell on that topic.

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OK, I will dwell on abortion.

Plot for a Sci-Fi movie, Gronk travels back in time to intercept someone in NY



I am looking for Roger Goodell....

borg said:

I live in S Florida, 8 miles west of the Atlantic. If I dig a hole in my back yard, I could fill buckets with sea shells. Hmmmmm.....that must mean Florida was under water once....but that's wrong. Florida has been submerged 4 times in its 530 million year history.

"Portions of the Florida peninsula have been above or below sea level at least four times within that time. As glaciers of ice in the north expanded and melted, the Florida peninsula emerged and submerged. When the sea level was lowest, the land area of Florida was much larger than it is now. In addition to being much larger, Florida was as much as three times the current land area as it is today during the last ice age…"

Wonder who the prehistorics blamed for climate change back then.....the Republicans? And last time I looked at a globe, I saw vast deserts, continuously growing deserts, that have been on this planet a million years or more. Mankind must have a serious bad ass time machine to fu*k up Earth before they even roamed the planet.
Regarding the Global Warming screed....I find it interesting that this current government, which demonizes organized religion, has essentially created its own Climatology religion operating under the same framework as "old religion" ...fear, taxes, control===>POWER.

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That is true and it is true that some experts believe we are due for a mini ice age event in the near future. But you can't ignore burning 84 million barrels of oil per day and say that releasing approximately 450 Trillion BTU's daily has no effect. That does not include the burning of wood, coal etc..... just oil. I personally do not know if climate change is real or not but I do know that releasing that much energy into our environment has to have some effect.

Climate change is real, IMHO. But it does not strike me as what they call a 'clear and present' danger. Scientist have done an alright job showing the existence of climate change -but they have done a poor job in showing why we should be worried about it. The human population can grow in warm weather or cold weather. Humans can adapt..

Bobsyouruncle said:

The NFL has passed a rule that all Patriot plays must be submitted for approval two weeks prior to use.

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You could have the refs tell them who not to cover ( as they did in the Ravens game) and it still wouldn't help them!!!

Galeb said:

Memory is a strange thing. The mind fills in the blanks when pieces of it are lost. Being human is a truly bizarre and challenging experience, a small price to pay for such an amazing opportunity.

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Jeff Hawkins has been studying brains for 35 years and wrote the excellent book On_Intelligence. Basically it says that our mind predicts everything that we experience so it's not a matter of filling in data after the fact; it's a question of how much the actual data changes our predictions and whether we remember the predictions or what actually happened.

BigPeteG said:

Climate change is real, IMHO. But it does not strike me as what they call a 'clear and present' danger. Scientist have done an alright job showing the existence of climate change -but they have done a poor job in showing why we should be worried about it. The human population can grow in warm weather or cold weather. Humans can adapt..

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Actually there are three questions to be asked re climate change.
1) Is it getting warmer? (Remember the earth emerged from the Ice Age without man made effects)
2) Is it the result of man made actions?
3) Is there anything we can do about it?
The science is open for interpretation as it should be but to deny anyone questions it a "kook" ignores the fact that science evolves from paradigm shifts when data doesn't fit the current model ( read Thomas Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions). If we refuse to test hypotheses and refuse to look at it openly, we risk becoming the "flat earthers"....

Jackson 2 said:

NP, I think it's simple. The American people and the vast majority of sports writers 1) didn't read it, and 2) even if they had read it, they wouldn't have thought one bit differently than they did before. This was an in-the-bag screw job from the get-go.

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3) They wouldn't have understood it, " I was told there would be no math or science in it". People around the nation criticize Bostonians as being intellectual snobs ( despite my moniker, I'm a transplanted Bostonian)claiming that "we think we are smarter than everybody else". Guess what, we are. We can see through a flimsy diatribe/hit piece with a preconceived agenda supplemented by a hired gun with a history of giving its client what they want regardless of the evidence. Speak of the Ideal Gas Law and their eyes glaze over or bounce up and down like dog doll on the car dashboard.
You have to simplify it for them. "When you out to your car in the dead of winter and your tire pressure is low, does that mean somebody let the air out overnight???"
And this witchhunt rivals the Duke Lacrosse case,Tawana Brawley and Richard Jewell for a rush to judgment. In those cases, fortunately a court examined the evidence and it was thrown out all were exonerated. Maybe and I hope Brady's case ends up in a courtroom with a neutral impartial arbiter who will recognize insufficient evidence on its face and rip the NFL a new one....
As for the evidence........

Time to move this thread to the Religion cult forum?

PatsWickedPissah said:

Time to move this thread to the Religion cult forum?

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Yup...follow ME...I'm the Fried Piper...

PatsWickedPissah said:

Time to move this thread to the Religion cult forum?

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HEY, MAN! THE EARTH IS GETTING WARMER. MOTHER EARTH IS CRYING AND YOU'RE KILLING HER.

when life hands you high temperatures the smart man brings hamburgers and hot dogs to the planet roast.

Joker said:

when life hands you high temperatures the smart man brings hamburgers and hot dogs to the planet roast.

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What does he bring when all the coastal cities are under water?

a snorkle, dorkle....

Patsfanin Philly said:

Actually there are three questions to be asked re climate change.
1) Is it getting warmer? (Remember the earth emerged from the Ice Age without man made effects)
2) Is it the result of man made actions?
3) Is there anything we can do about it?
The science is open for interpretation as it should be but to deny anyone questions it a "kook" ignores the fact that science evolves from paradigm shifts when data doesn't fit the current model ( read Thomas Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions). If we refuse to test hypotheses and refuse to look at it openly, we risk becoming the "flat earthers"....

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I am currently not convinced one way or the other but I did check how far above sea level my house was before I bought it. Just in case. haha

Tony2046 said:

That is true and it is true that some experts believe we are due for a mini ice age event in the near future. But you can't ignore burning 84 million barrels of oil per day and say that releasing approximately 450 Trillion BTU's daily has no effect. That does not include the burning of wood, coal etc..... just oil. I personally do not know if climate change is real or not but I do know that releasing that much energy into our environment has to have some effect.

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Tony2046, some have pointed out that Climate Change such as Ice Ages have come and gone without human intervention. That is true, and the cycle of Ice Ages appears to correlate with small changes in the Earth's orbital elements (orbital eccentricity, orbital tilt, etc.), as described at:

http://geography.about.com/od/learnabouttheearth/a/milankovitch.htm

Evidence that appeared to prove this theory was published in: Hays, J.D. John Imbrie, and N.J. Shackleton. "Variations in the Earth's Orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages." Science. Volume 194, Number 4270 (1976). 1121-1132. I am not an expert in the field (I specialize in laser physics), but I did my M.S. work in this area at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (then in Boulder, CO). So, I am not an expert, but I know more than the typical person staying at Holiday Express.

The upshot is: the Earth's cycle of Ice Ages appears to correlate with small changes in the Earth's orbital elements. How these very, very small changes in the Earth's orbit result in driving the Earth's Ice Age Cycle is not really well understood, evidently very small changes in solar flux and distribution of solar flux over a very long time causes gigantic changes in the Earth's climate (Ice Ages).

As you point out Tony2046, humans are making what would appear to be much more profound changes in the environment by the big increase in atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gases due to burning of fossil fuels. These greenhouse gases are largely transparent to "incoming" light from the sun, but they strongly absorb the Earth's "outgoing" re-radiation in the infrared which tends to "trap" this infrared re-radiation (the Greenhouse effect, why your car gets hot in summer, and why Venus is so hot). Theoretically, this would cause global warming from a simplistic point of view.

Thus, Climate Experts fear that the Earth is experiencing global warming due to the emission of these greenhouse gasses. Current supercomputer climate models predict a 2-3 degree Celsius warming by 2050.

However, the Earth's climate is really, really complicated, and not very well understood, that is why there is so much confusion and argument on this issue. The computer models could be right (2-3 degrees warming by 2050), or it could be not that bad (or even negligible), or even worse than predicted. Really, we don't know for sure, the Earth's Climate is too complicated.

However, back to your original point, if the small changes in the Earth's orbital elements drove the Ice Age cycle (admittedly over very long time scales), what are we doing by putting so much CO2 in the atmosphere? Nobody really knows, but in the opinion of almost all Climate Scientists (and IMHO also) we are playing with fire.

The reason I could care less about climate change:

It all apparently leads to two or three different `solutions,` which aren't solutions at all.

1. The United Nations taxes the hell out of the 1st world and gives the money to the third world, as sort of reparations for climate change. (Yes, people in the U.N. want this to be real.) NOT A SOLUTION. Just radical left-wing robbery.

2. The U.S. government wants to tax corporations for their `carbon footprint`.
Just more stupidity to increase costs for the little people so the elite can keep on with being elite. Achieves absolutely nothing unless you're a part of our ruling class that will reap the benefits of this corruption.

3. It doesn't matter if America switches to hamsters running on wheels for all of its power needs. China and numerous other nations don't give three dusty ****s about climate change, so we'll just limit our energy resources and economic potential for absolutely no purpose, while China and the developing world continue on keeping on with what they do.

4. Science is very political. There's numerous issues where scientists are outright lying for political and social purposes. Aside from the fact that I really don't care about climate change, I also don't think the scientists championing the idea that it's primarily being caused by man are that credible.
(I don't say this as a religious zealot attacking science. I say this as someone who understands the Orwellian society which we currently live in.)

When I was in 3rd grade, a scientist came into our class room to tell us about how "if we didn't act now," when I was an adult I wouldn't be able to see or breath because of all the smog. Their solution was some idiotic political cause, of course, and not a scientific one. Well, now I'm well into adulthood, and the air is as fresh and as clear as it's ever been. I see fine. I breath fine.

Last I checked, the world was cooling. That's why the narrative was recently changed from "Global warming" to "climate change." "Global warming" sounded dumb while the Earth was getting cooler.

You have no realistic solutions, so instead of pretending you do, let's just roll with the punches. If in 100 years it's a foregone conclusion that certain coastal cities will look a little different, taxing people for their carbon footprint isn't going to do a damn thing about it except make your standard of living harder.

2 cents.

(Wow. Why the hell did I respond to this? Someone shoot me. You don't need to respond to this because in truth I just don't care.)

zydecochris said:

Tony2046, some have pointed out that Climate Change such as Ice Ages have come and gone without human intervention. That is true, and the cycle of Ice Ages appears to correlate with small changes in the Earth's orbital elements (orbital eccentricity, orbital tilt, etc.), as described at:

http://geography.about.com/od/learnabouttheearth/a/milankovitch.htm

Evidence that appeared to prove this theory was published in: Hays, J.D. John Imbrie, and N.J. Shackleton. "Variations in the Earth's Orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages." Science. Volume 194, Number 4270 (1976). 1121-1132. I am not an expert in the field (I specialize in laser physics), but I did my M.S. work in this area at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (then in Boulder, CO). So, I am not an expert, but I know more than the typical person staying at Holiday Express.

The upshot is: the Earth's cycle of Ice Ages appears to correlate with small changes in the Earth's orbital elements. How these very, very small changes in the Earth's orbit result in driving the Earth's Ice Age Cycle is not really well understood, evidently very small changes in solar flux and distribution of solar flux over a very long time causes gigantic changes in the Earth's climate (Ice Ages).

As you point out Tony2046, humans are making what would appear to be much more profound changes in the environment by the big increase in atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gases due to burning of fossil fuels. These greenhouse gases are largely transparent to "incoming" light from the sun, but they strongly absorb the Earth's "outgoing" re-radiation in the infrared which tends to "trap" this infrared re-radiation (the Greenhouse effect, why your car gets hot in summer, and why Venus is so hot). Theoretically, this would cause global warming from a simplistic point of view.

Thus, Climate Experts fear that the Earth is experiencing global warming due to the emission of these greenhouse gasses. Current supercomputer climate models predict a 2-3 degree Celsius warming by 2050.

However, the Earth's climate is really, really complicated, and not very well understood, that is why there is so much confusion and argument on this issue. The computer models could be right (2-3 degrees warming by 2050), or it could be not that bad (or even negligible), or even worse than predicted. Really, we don't know for sure, the Earth's Climate is too complicated.

However, back to your original point, if the small changes in the Earth's orbital elements drove the Ice Age cycle (admittedly over very long time scales), what are we doing by putting so much CO2 in the atmosphere? Nobody really knows, but in the opinion of almost all Climate Scientists (and IMHO also) we are playing with fire.

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Thanks for the reply. I enjoyed reading that.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

I thought climate change actually did turn out to be bullsh*t?

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Global warming g became "climate change" who can argue against climate change? Yesterday it was hot today it's raining. Lol

Marko said:

Global warming g became "climate change" who can argue against climate change? Yesterday it was hot today it's raining. Lol

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Weren't these "scientists" telling us 40 years ago that the Earth was getting colder?

I'm amazed people fall for this crap. Of course, moonbats think anyone not swallowing this snake oil must be stupid. Apparently, their degrees in women's studies and African studies qualify them as experts.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Actually there are three questions to be asked re climate change.
1) Is it getting warmer? (Remember the earth emerged from the Ice Age without man made effects)
2) Is it the result of man made actions?
3) Is there anything we can do about it?
The science is open for interpretation as it should be but to deny anyone questions it a "kook" ignores the fact that science evolves from paradigm shifts when data doesn't fit the current model ( read Thomas Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions). If we refuse to test hypotheses and refuse to look at it openly, we risk becoming the "flat earthers"....

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This is true, but the underlying problem is the politicizing of science as well as education. The fact that academia has tied itself to an ideology, which in itself is ironic, has created a discourse about important matters that is always backwards driven, as both sides choose their data to back up their ideological arguments.