The art of Zen and why losing late first won't hurt NE. Suck it Goodell.

Those picks are gone. They ain't coming back. I needed to cool off. Calm down. Hit the showers... F*ck that.

What is this loss gonna of a first gonna cost NE I thought. Checked the career value of a late first via the Harvard study. We're looking at a career value of 2x better than average at that draft position. Well that's not good. Hmm, but its only better than average, so the difference is like losing an average joe from your line up. 1/53 worse over 4 seasons. Shiity, but ok I can handle that. But then I thought, what's the value compared to salary implications.... wait a second...

I guess I CAN calm the F*ck down! Suck it Goodell.

Late firsts get 8M over 4 years, or 2M per year. Give BB an extra 2M per year, add to that ex-players like Spikes and Fletcher and other savvy vets beggin' to come back to the fold and play for the team, and BB will more than make up for the loss of a 2x player. **** he just signed both those guys for that same amount in fact. And I'd say they in tandem are much better than what a typical late 1st round 2x player at 2x cost with none of the risk will provide (as they should). Kinda like 2, 1.2x players for 2.4x vs. 1 at 2x cost so to speak. Now he just has to do it for the next 4 seasons too. And BB will.

Suck it again Goodell.

This is just an example for this season - these 2 players equal to or better than the price of 1 2x player. Both LBs are on 1yr deals I think. I'm just saying with 2M a year extra to spend, and the aura of BB and NE victories drawing them back, BB should be able to get pretty close to that missing 2x value with one, two or more players in FA. It's not like we lost the cap space. BB will make up for that. I'd even venture to speculate BB is probably sharper at evaluating existing NFL talent than projecting rookie talent all things equal.

So I'm over that late first. The cap saving FA impact will more than make up for loss. Now that 4th on the other hand, a 0.6x player, at only 650K ... Naw, JK, same thing there. BB uses the cap saving to find comparable players.

Suck it hard a third and final time Goodell.

when you put it like that I'm surprised they ever use their first round picks

eom said:

when you put it like that I'm surprised they ever use their first round picks

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BB has a clause in his contract that says he has to use a 1st round at least every other year to prevent pats fans from jumping off the ledge.

pdangle said:

Those picks are gone. They ain't coming back. I needed to cool off. Calm down. Hit the showers... F*ck that.

What is this loss gonna of a first gonna cost NE I thought. Checked the career value of a late first via the Harvard study. We're looking at a career value of 2x better than average at that draft position. Well that's not good. Hmm, but its only better than average, so the difference is like losing an average joe from your line up. 1/53 worse over 4 seasons. Shiity, but ok I can handle that. But then I thought, what's the value compared to salary implications.... wait a second...

I guess I CAN calm the F*ck down! Suck it Goodell.

Late firsts get 8M over 4 years, or 2M per year. Give BB an extra 2M per year, add to that ex-players like Spikes and Fletcher and other savvy vets beggin' to come back to the fold and play for the team, and BB will more than make up for the loss of a 2x player. **** he just signed both those guys for that same amount in fact. And I'd say they in tandem are much better than what a typical late 1st round 2x player at 2x cost with none of the risk will provide (as they should). Kinda like 2, 1.2x players for 2.4x vs. 1 at 2x cost so to speak. Now he just has to do it for the next 4 seasons too. And BB will.

Suck it again Goodell.

This is just an example for this season - these 2 players equal to or better than the price of 1 2x player. Both LBs are on 1yr deals I think. I'm just saying with 2M a year extra to spend, and the aura of BB and NE victories drawing them back, BB should be able to get pretty close to that missing 2x value with one, two or more players in FA. It's not like we lost the cap space. BB will make up for that. I'd even venture to speculate BB is probably sharper at evaluating existing NFL talent than projecting rookie talent all things equal.

So I'm over that late first. The cap saving FA impact will more than make up for loss. Now that 4th on the other hand, a 0.6x player, at only 650K ... Naw, JK, same thing there. BB uses the cap saving to find comparable players.

Suck it hard a third and final time Goodell.

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This smells like an attempt to put lipstick on a pig, but I am with you on the "Suck it Goodell!"

As Belichick says, it's not about one or two moves that makes or breaks your franchise....it's many, many moves, decisions, signings, etc. I think this lost pick will have minimal impact but certainly could be the fraction difference between winning and losing a playoff game, so it is big in that sense.

OP was probably on board w replacing asante Samuel w Fernando Bryant...

In the past 4 drafts we have netted Chandler Jones, Donta Hightower, Jamie Collins, Dominique Easley, and Malcolm Brown either by selecting them or trading a late first round pick to position ourselves to select them.

Fletcher and Spikes aren't even close.

With all due respect, this argument is ridiculous. Why not just forfeit all future first rounders and spend the money on free agents instead? Getting a first round level talent locked into a four year long contract at under ten million is how great teams are built. As for Spikes and Fletcher, I am not convinced either will even make the final roster - it may happen but neither are locks by any means.

The last time the Patriots had a first round pick stolen from them by the league they missed an opportunity to draft the cornerback they badly needed - especially since a Pro Bowl corner was drafted less than 10 picks after the one the Patriots lost.

Brady6 said:

In the past 4 drafts we have netted Chandler Jones, Donta Hightower, Jamie Collins, Dominique Easley, and Malcolm Brown either by selecting them or trading a late first round pick to position ourselves to select them.

Fletcher and Spikes aren't even close.

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I agree that it is a big deal, but you're talking about the last 4 first rounds, we lost 1 first round pick, not 4.
Granted, I wouldn't want to lose any one of those guys, but I don't think its the difference between going 13-3 and 9-7. To the OPs general point, there are other ways to aquire talent.

Oh, and SUCK IT GOODELL!

Yes, it's lemons into lemonade.

But, in any case, this does make it easier for the Pats to hang on to their own upcoming FAs (Solder, Gost, Collins, Jones, Hightower).

Losing a 1st for a fake scandal is better than trade a 1st for trent richardson.

Goodell can sit on it and rotate. The Hoodie will improvise and adapt. When the Pats keep winning Goodell will stroke out. The Hoodie and the Pats will come out of this and not miss a beat. Does losing a first rounder suck of course it does but IN BILL WE TRUST. One more thing Goodell SUCKS

The Gr8est said:

This smells like an attempt to put lipstick on a pig, but I am with you on the "Suck it Goodell!"

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Hey! Leave my wife out of it!

reneluar said:

Losing a 1st for a fake scandal is better than trade a 1st for trent richardson.

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Speaking of Trent Richardson, is he on waivers? Could we pick him up for the Colt game, get him a couple hundred yards, then cut him?

It hurts cap management ... and has a great track record of drafting wisely in the 1st round ... so it will make Bill's job harder but if anyone can work around it .... he can. I don't think anyone can logically say it does not hurt .

Losing it makes the Grop pick look all that much wiser. If he had listened to the fan base it would have been way more difficult to find Brady's future replacement .... or temporary replacement at the least. I'm mad at Kraft because at least in the public forum it would have looked better had he appealed and perhaps negotiated a loss of a 2nd round pick and a 3rd in 2017.

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Speaking of Trent Richardson, is he on waivers? Could we pick him up for the Colt game, get him a couple hundred yards, then cut him?

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no

Easley as a first round pick wasn't a huge part of the Patriots reaching and winning the superbowl. So losing a first round pick next year doesn't necessarily mean the Patriots won't be competitive enough to win the SB again. We lost the 1st round pick in 2008 but through Belichick's machinations we still ended up with Mayo. Knowing Belichick he will do something like trade future draft picks and/or player(s) for a player drafted in the first round in 2016. Goodell said that Patriots would lose a first round pick but he never stipulated that Patriots couldn't acquire the first round pick that another team drafted.

Canuck said:

Easley as a first round pick wasn't a huge part of the Patriots reaching and winning the superbowl. So losing a first round pick next year doesn't necessarily mean the Patriots won't be competitive enough to win the SB again. We lost the 1st round pick in 2008 but through Belichick's machinations we still ended up with Mayo. Knowing Belichick he will do something like trade future draft picks and/or player(s) for a player drafted in the first round in 2016. Goodell said that Patriots would lose a first round pick but he never stipulated that Patriots couldn't acquire the first round pick that another team drafted.

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The rookie salary cap basically prevents that.

I have a feeling Malcom Brown is going to make this thread look premature and silly.

Nothing can convince me the loss of a first round pick is ok.