The absurdity of penalizing us our 2016 first round pick before the season even begins..

Patriot Missile said:

I've watched the draft since 92 like a zoned out couch potato. I will not be watching next year and I encourage everyone else to as well.

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Same here, I've been slowly losing interest the past few years but found what I did see of this years "event" was unwatchable.

Belichick should trade with whoever has the 33rd pick as a FU to the NFL.

Patriot Missile said:

I've watched the draft since 92 like a zoned out couch potato. I will not be watching next year and I encourage everyone else to as well.

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I didn't even watch the darft this year. (Typo intentional.) The NFLN and ESPN are dead to me.

My fantasy about how this all unfolds:

1. Brady wins his suit against the NFL and Goodell, and in the process, the media coverage turns on Goodell for having created this monster without evidence and with prejudice.
2. Pats win the SB again.
3. Pats trade their #2 and #3 picks for the 31st pick in the 2016 draft. Goodell has to come to the podium to say to the national TV audience, "The (NFC Champion) has traded their pick to the New England Patriots. The Patriots forfeit that pick as punishment for the football deflation in last year's AFC Championship game. The New England Patriots are on the clock."
4. The Pats take up all of their time for the 32nd pick, and then pick some boy scout that Goodell has to greet and hug.
5. The Pats trade their 5th and 6th round pick for a 4th round pick, just to rub it in Goodell's face one more time.
6. The Pats make the last pick in the draft, Mr. Irrelevant, and find some college player in college football somewhere named Deflate to draft.

Only hope is to get Goodell out of a job before the next draft. Then the new Commish can vacate the sentence. I wouldn't exactly bet on it - but stranger things have happened.

Spygate and Deflategate penalties.....


When trying to beat the Pats on a level playing field just doesn't work.


The NFEL* - An orchestrated entertainment enterprise loosely modeled after an old traditional American sports competition known as football.

Since they cannot trade into the 1st round, I hope Bill trades for the very 1st pick of the 2nd round.

Seeing Goodell announce that trade at the podium would be priceless.

With any luck, the first overall of the second round sues the league for harming his rookie contract based on a fact less, misguided smear campaign. Or maybe the nflpa files a suit after Brady n Co dismantle the Wells report and the nfl front office in court, suing the league in advance for harming the earning potential of every player picked after 31.

No, I'm not drinking yet.

Brady6 said:

The thing that I am most bothered by is Goodell taking away our 2016 first round pick without even knowing the actual value of the pick. Most of us me included assume this is going to be the loss of a late first round pick, but realistically it may not be. During the 2011 offseason I think most would have expected the Colts to be picking in the late part of the 2012 draft. Then they ended up with the #1 overall pick.

I'm not saying we are going to have a losing season, but in a game that has the potential for injury that the NFL offers you never know. What irritates me is I feel that Goodell could have issued the sanction against the 2015 pick, which would have been #32 overall, but instead he likely delayed it to intentionally to allow him to take the 2016 pick with the hope of screwing us over more.

Looking at the situation Goodell has done his due diligence to put the Patriots in the best position to lose a high draft pick in 2016. He allowed his team the Jets to tamper with and sign one of our best players for a mere $100K, and he suspended our HOF QB for 1/4 of the season.

It's pretty simple it may end up being the #32 pick, but at the end of the day no matter how small the chance may actually be this means Goodell blindly issued a sanction that holds the possibility of being the #1 overall, pick, or more possiblily a top 10 pick. This means without even knowing Goodell could have taken the next Andrew Luck, JJ Watt, etc. from this team.

People say Kraft is an intelligent man, but I question that because no intelligent man I know would accept a penalty without even knowing exactly what it is. Kraft has now done it twice. In 2007 he got away with it, unlike Roger Goodell I only hope he is fortunate enough to get away with it again.

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The loss of the 1st round pick doesn't hurt the Pats as much as Brady being gone 4 games or fighting to clear his name.

That's why I believe the NFL dragged the investigation out 100 days to give Brady less time to bury this matter before the season begins. The Pats and Brady don't want this distraction to bleed into the season and Goodell knows that.

The loss of draft picks and Kraft eagerly not fighting to get them back is inexcusable.

Everything else is kind of boring though.

Patriots fans should stay focused on sell-out Kraft and not worry about theoretical possibilities for the 2016 draft.

Patriot Missile said:

I've watched the draft since 92 like a zoned out couch potato. I will not be watching next year and I encourage everyone else to as well.

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That would be a good movement. A quick look shows Boston the #7 TV market in the country. there is also a huge element of patriots nation around the country. Everyone pledge to not watch the first round or, if you're weakened, reply to survey's that you watched dancing with the stars, or some such show.

Brady6 said:

The thing that I am most bothered by is Goodell taking away our 2016 first round pick without even knowing the actual value of the pick. Most of us me included assume this is going to be the loss of a late first round pick, but realistically it may not be. During the 2011 offseason I think most would have expected the Colts to be picking in the late part of the 2012 draft. Then they ended up with the #1 overall pick.

I'm not saying we are going to have a losing season, but in a game that has the potential for injury that the NFL offers you never know. What irritates me is I feel that Goodell could have issued the sanction against the 2015 pick, which would have been #32 overall, but instead he likely delayed it to intentionally to allow him to take the 2016 pick with the hope of screwing us over more.

Looking at the situation Goodell has done his due diligence to put the Patriots in the best position to lose a high draft pick in 2016. He allowed his team the Jets to tamper with and sign one of our best players for a mere $100K, and he suspended our HOF QB for 1/4 of the season.

It's pretty simple it may end up being the #32 pick, but at the end of the day no matter how small the chance may actually be this means Goodell blindly issued a sanction that holds the possibility of being the #1 overall, pick, or more possiblily a top 10 pick. This means without even knowing Goodell could have taken the next Andrew Luck, JJ Watt, etc. from this team.

People say Kraft is an intelligent man, but I question that because no intelligent man I know would accept a penalty without even knowing exactly what it is. Kraft has now done it twice. In 2007 he got away with it, unlike Roger Goodell I only hope he is fortunate enough to get away with it again.

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I've always hated the concept of taking away draft picks as a punitive measure. More than anything, it punishes the fans (who didn't do anything wrong) and some poor kid coming out of college who won't be getting the same pay as a 1st rounder for a technical reason.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

I've always hated the concept of taking away draft picks as a punitive measure. More than anything, it punishes the fans (who didn't do anything wrong) and some poor kid coming out of college who won't be getting the same pay as a 1st rounder for a technical reason.

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Not to mention the 5th year option that first round players receive.

Triumph said:

The loss of the 1st round pick doesn't hurt the Pats as much as Brady being gone 4 games or fighting to clear his name.

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Disagree. A 4-game suspension of Brady is losing him for 4 games. Losing the 1st-round pick is effectively a career-long suspension of whatever player we would have picked with the pick. Given BB's good record with first-ground picks, losing the entire career of that player X is going to hurt the team more than losing Brady for 4 games.

Danger Zone said:

Of course the joke is on Goodell, our 2016 pick is actually going to be 32nd as well.

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**win super bowl again**
**BB and Brady retire**
**BB and Brady unretire the day before the 16 draft and sign with the 49ers, owners of the #1 OVR pick**
**BB and Brady announce the SF pick themselves and say "Screw you, Goodell" afterwards to Goodell, who is watching from the local NYNJ unemployment office**

... and BB wouldn't want to work for York, so Gisele buys the team from him.

I'm not worried about the lost pick

I'm expecting Brady's suspension gets cut back to 2 games - though hopefully none... either way Garoppolo will get plenty of reps in camp and possibly in games

I fully expect Belichick to parlay all of this into another Super Bowl, trading Garoppolo for TWO first rounders in the 2016 draft

QuantumMechanic said:

Disagree. A 4-game suspension of Brady is losing him for 4 games. Losing the 1st-round pick is effectively a career-long suspension of whatever player we would have picked with the pick. Given BB's good record with first-ground picks, losing the entire career of that player X is going to hurt the team more than losing Brady for 4 games.

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I agree. I am a bit surprised that others see it differently.

If we lost Brady for a month with a broken finger, for example--life would go on. The loss of a first round draft pick in the salary cap era is bigger, as that is a talented player who would have likely been around on the cheap for 5 years.

JoeSixPat said:

I'm not worried about the lost pick

I'm expecting Brady's suspension gets cut back to 2 games - though hopefully none... either way Garoppolo will get plenty of reps in camp and possibly in games

I fully expect Belichick to parlay all of this into another Super Bowl, trading Garoppolo for TWO first rounders in the 2016 draft

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Understanding that you're obviously speaking tongue in cheek, Garoppolo would be in line to be our new starting QB, even if that doesn't happen for another couple of years.

I can't see any scenario where Belichick would wish to trade a potential franchise QB when Tom Brady is 38 yrs old. It's much different than say, the Matt Cassel situation from 7 years ago.

I much rather be the 1st pick of the 2nd round than the 32nd pick of the 1st round. I get to free agency a year earlier. Rather get tagged my 5th year than play under the 5th year option.
Example - Solder's salary is $7.438m. If he were tagged his salary would be $12.943 million. That 5 million dwarfs the $1.5 difference in total compensation between what Malcom Brown (32nd overall) will get in his deal and what Landon Collins (33rd overall) will get.