QB Controversy!

@MikeReiss: Patriots OTA concludes. Watched QB reps between Brady/Garoppolo. Would describe as close to 50-50, with Brady always leading drill.

@jeffphowe: 7 on 7:
Brady: 11 of 18
Garoppolo: 8 of 11

11 on 11:
Brady: 7 of 11
Garoppolo: 8 of 11



Nice to have actual football news.

I don't know why everyone jokes about this. Brady is 37 and Garoppolo is 23. If Garoppolo plays really well and the Pats don't think they'd likely be able to draft another one like him, the team really would need to ask themselves some tough questions. I'm the biggest Brady fan out there, but reality is reality.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I don't know why everyone jokes about this. Brady is 37 and Garoppolo is 23. If Garoppolo plays really well and the Pats don't think they'd likely be able to draft another one like him, the team really would need to ask themselves some tough questions. I'm the biggest Brady fan out there, but reality is reality.

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No brainer, you go with Brady. He was on top of his game on biggest stage, 4 TDs, 37 for 50. You don't know what you have with Garoppolo and you won't until he gets crushed by 3 linemen.

Brady could play at a high level for 2 or 3 years. Whereas Garoppolo could come on like Kaepernick then fade. I'd rather have Brady for 3.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I don't know why everyone jokes about this. Brady is 37 and Garoppolo is 23. If Garoppolo plays really well and the Pats don't think they'd likely be able to draft another one like him, the team really would need to ask themselves some tough questions. I'm the biggest Brady fan out there, but reality is reality.

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Begin Questions:

"Does JAG prefer a padded, or unpadded, seat on the bench?"


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Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I don't know why everyone jokes about this. Brady is 37 and Garoppolo is 23. If Garoppolo plays really well and the Pats don't think they'd likely be able to draft another one like him, the team really would need to ask themselves some tough questions. I'm the biggest Brady fan out there, but reality is reality.

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Why would they need to draft another? I think it's pretty clear that if the 2 QBs are even close after the 2017 season, Garoppolo gets the contract and Brady is gone. Until then, it would be nearly impossible for Jimmy to supplant Brady. No tough decisions for a while unless something drastic occurs. At least that's how I see it.

Deus Irae said:

Begin Questions:

"Does JAG prefer a padded, or unpadded, seat on the bench?"


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You forgot "Does he prefer to sit on an empty Gatorade container?"

Concussion Protocol said:

Why would they need to draft another? I think it's pretty clear that if the 2 QBs are even close after the 2017 season, Garoppolo gets the contract and Brady is gone. Until then, it would be nearly impossible for Jimmy to supplant Brady. No tough decisions for a while unless something drastic occurs. At least that's how I see it.

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The Patriots arguably face the biggest decision since "What do we do with Bledsoe?" in a bit under two years from now. Everyone involved on the player side (Brady, his agent Yee, and Yee's other client Garoppolo) has an interest in making that decision as excruciating as possible.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I don't know why everyone jokes about this. Brady is 37 and Garoppolo is 23. If Garoppolo plays really well and the Pats don't think they'd likely be able to draft another one like him, the team really would need to ask themselves some tough questions. I'm the biggest Brady fan out there, but reality is reality.

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The earliest I see it becoming interesting is next year when Brady turns 39 next August and Jimmy G is 24.

Jimmy G could barely complete a pass last year in practice (He was frequently 0-2/11) so it's nice to see his in game play carried over today.

ctpatsfan77 said:

The Patriots arguably face the biggest decision since "What do we do with Bledsoe?" in a bit under two years from now. Everyone involved on the player side (Brady, his agent Yee, and Yee's other client Garoppolo) has an interest in making that decision as excruciating as possible.

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A bit under 3 years, right? Aren't both guys signed through 2017, making the decision time early 2018?

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I don't know why everyone jokes about this. Brady is 37 and Garoppolo is 23. If Garoppolo plays really well and the Pats don't think they'd likely be able to draft another one like him, the team really would need to ask themselves some tough questions. I'm the biggest Brady fan out there, but reality is reality.

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As long as TB keeps winning championships there is no battle. It's only when you are start losing.

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A bit under 3 years, right? Aren't both guys signed through 2017, making the decision time early 2018?

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If they're OK with letting Garoppolo walk instead of using him as trade bait.

ctpatsfan77 said:

If they're OK with letting Garoppolo walk instead of using him as trade bait.

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Let the Jimmy for 2 first rounders talk begin.

ctpatsfan77 said:

If they're OK with letting Garoppolo walk instead of using him as trade bait.

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I love Brady, but if they trade away a promising 26 year-old QB to stick with a 41 year-old QB, that's a poor decision in my book. Sentimentality will kill you as a GM in the NFL. Of course, Jimmy could end up looking like crap the next few years and make this a moot point. I'm just glad they have a few overlap years to figure this out.

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Jimmy G could barely complete a pass last year in practice (He was frequently 0-2/11) so it's nice to see his in game play carried over today.

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Well i'm sure some chicken little will tell you the secondary he was throwing against was vastly better last year. Which then you ask yourself why did Brady go 18 for 29?

Concussion Protocol said:

I love Brady, but if they trade away a promising 26 year-old QB to stick with a 41 year-old QB, that's a poor decision in my book. Sentimentality will kill you as a GM in the NFL. Of course, Jimmy could end up looking like crap the next few years and make this a moot point. I'm just glad they have a few overlap years to figure this out.

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You keep the winner, until he can't win anymore. "Better a year early" doesn't, or at least shouldn't, apply to the QB position, unless you've got a future HOFer as a backup.

That's been proven true about a gazillion times in the NFL.

JMC00 said:

Well i'm sure some chicken little will do you the secondary he was throwing against was vastly better last year. Which then you ask yourself why did Brady go 18 for 29?

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That and, somehow, the first preseason game seemed to "flip a switch" in him.

Deus Irae said:

You keep the winner, until he can't win anymore. "Better a year early" doesn't, or at least shouldn't, apply to the QB position, unless you've got a HOFer as a backup.

That's been proven true about a gazillion times in the NFL.

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I think you have to take not only their performance, but also how they're trending. When there's a 14 year age gap, it isn't just about who's better in the present.

Concussion Protocol said:

I think you have to take not only their performance, but also how they're trending. When there's a 14 year age gap, it isn't just about who's better in the present.

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No.

Again, NFL history proves it.

Deus Irae said:

No.

Again, NFL history proves it.

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So you would've started Favre over Rodgers in 2008? Favre had a strong 2007 and Rodgers had never started a game.

A month ago, I would have said that if Garoppolo was showing signs of being a top QB in this league and someone offered a ridiculous trade for Brady, I might consider it after this season. But since Goodell screwed the Pats and Kraft backed down, a ridiculous trade isn't likely to happen since the Pats cannot get a high 2016 first round draft choice (or at least higher than their draft choice in that round). No way do I give up Brady for a late first rounder unless there is a lot more that comes with it.

So at this point, the only real option is to keep and play Brady until his contract is up or his skills completely decline or someone offers a ridiculous trade after the 2016 season (whichever comes first). It is a great option to have, but if Jimmy G is really a potential top QB in this league we won't see for a few years.