Pats Fan: Why I'm giving up on the NFL (The MMQB w/ Peter King)

And now it must go to the political forum...

Bobsyouruncle said:

And now it must go to the political forum...

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OK
I wasn't that good a thread anyway

You go, Gwedd!

The Gr8est said:

Keep an eye out for a trick play involving Edelman and Amendola.

It is AWESOME!

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Just a classic game for sure.

I still get anxious watching games. Like somehow the outcome might be different.

I tense up every time Hightower makes that stop at the 1 vs Lynch. I don't care how many times I've watched it.

The Butler int is still a euphoric experience.

Gwedd said:

Well, your friend ought to sue to get his money back. Man-caused climate change has been shot down by every working climatoligist. You know, the folks actually working in the field. As to "climate change", guess what? It happens all the time. It's called weather. The sun expands and contrats by minute amounts and we get warmer or colder. The Earth's climate is affected by all sorts of natural phenomenon, especially volcanoes, and if they are large enough, like Tambora, or Toba, or even Yellowstone, then we will see catastrophic weather changes, In fact, some 70K years ago, Humans came near to extinct when Toba erupted. It is estimated that humans, world-wide, were reduced to around 10,000 pairs.

Yet humans have virtually no effect upon the world-wide climate itself. There is zero proof of that, though the watermelons (those who are green on the outside, but red on the inside) claim otherwise. And as to volcanoes, typhoons, solar activity, earthquakes and such, there is absolutely nothing that humans can do about it.

The entire Climate Change hoax is a bid for power, and nothing more. It's a bid to control resources outside of the market, for a self-appointed elite to claim supremacy for themselves and lord it over the rest of us. THAT is fact, not speculation, and unlike man-made/caused climate change, absolutely verifiable.

But do go on with your assertions. You still have the right to do so, and we who fight against the climate change hoax will defend your right to do so, unlike the supporters of that hoax, who have loudly claimed that anyone "denying" their assertions should be jailed, or worse.

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Let's go ask the Dino's how it worked for them. Or the Wooly Mammoths. It's the arrogance of man to think that it can have a massive effect on the earth. Now cutting trees and polluting water is different. There will be another Ice Age. Just depends on when.

Gwedd said:

Man-caused climate change has been shot down by every working climatoligist.

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Will ultimately regret this but: source?

JackBauer said:

Will ultimately regret this but: source?

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The land before time

ViperGTS said:

Just popped onto CSNNE and Felger just lost it over this. Seriously. Funny as hell. What a loser. Why don't people picket the studio to get him fired?

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His rant was pretty funny...

"I'm going to quit my 4 fantasy football leagues and cancel my NFL package the day before Kickoff Weekend...BooHooo..."

Obnoxious but hysterical...

Gwedd said:

Well, your friend ought to sue to get his money back. Man-caused climate change has been shot down by every working climatoligist. You know, the folks actually working in the field. As to "climate change", guess what? It happens all the time. It's called weather. The sun expands and contrats by minute amounts and we get warmer or colder. The Earth's climate is affected by all sorts of natural phenomenon, especially volcanoes, and if they are large enough, like Tambora, or Toba, or even Yellowstone, then we will see catastrophic weather changes, In fact, some 70K years ago, Humans came near to extinct when Toba erupted. It is estimated that humans, world-wide, were reduced to around 10,000 pairs.

Yet humans have virtually no effect upon the world-wide climate itself. There is zero proof of that, though the watermelons (those who are green on the outside, but red on the inside) claim otherwise. And as to volcanoes, typhoons, solar activity, earthquakes and such, there is absolutely nothing that humans can do about it.

The entire Climate Change hoax is a bid for power, and nothing more. It's a bid to control resources outside of the market, for a self-appointed elite to claim supremacy for themselves and lord it over the rest of us. THAT is fact, not speculation, and unlike man-made/caused climate change, absolutely verifiable.

But do go on with your assertions. You still have the right to do so, and we who fight against the climate change hoax will defend your right to do so, unlike the supporters of that hoax, who have loudly claimed that anyone "denying" their assertions should be jailed, or worse.

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lol right..

First of all, I never said or believe definitively that humans are causing it, but there is plenty of data being collected and theories that should at least cause any reasonably intelligent person to want to pay attention and know more.. because you know... its the planet that we live on and need to live for our children, and their children... so its a civil and human responsibility to try and be at least generally aware of it.

Secondly.. I just said I have a close relationship with 2 people that are IN THE FIELD, doing the research and collecting the data. The one who just finished his doctorate is one of the most intelligent people that I've ever met and is very passionate about trying to make a difference.. He has no interest in "supremacy" or any of that other stuff you posted, he's just a normal dude that spent his entire adult life becoming educated and trying to make a difference... and in one sentence, you just shot all of his efforts and work down by claiming he doesn't have an intelligent cell in his brain..

Thats pretty unbelievable man.. way to try and engage and have a conversation, by just flat out insulting and demeaning the opposing viewpoint right out of the gate.

I'll continue to discuss with them and others to try and become more informed, and I'll trust their very well informed opinions over some rando on the internet that loves to hurl out insults to anyone who disagrees with him.


I have no interest or desire to continue discussing this, especially when its impossible to have a discussion about something when one side is just trying to insult and berate the other side.


Back to football.

"I’m open-minded and considered the Wells report a disaster for the Patriots until I read past page 20. "

This quote from the article hit home with me. I felt the same way. It was convincing for first roughly 20 pages and I was thoroughly disappointed, but I kept on reading. Then you get into the bulk of the report and realize what garbage it is and to what an extreme, logic defying extent that Wells went to come up with his evidence and conclusions. I'm still disturbed over it. I can't believe that the American people and vast majority of sports writers can be so stupid and not see the report for what it is. I'm still pissed.

NashuaPats said:

"I’m open-minded and considered the Wells report a disaster for the Patriots until I read past page 20. "

This quote from the article hit home with me. I felt the same way. It was convincing for first roughly 20 pages and I was thoroughly disappointed, but I kept on reading. Then you get into the bulk of the report and realize what garbage it is and to what an extreme, logic defying extent that Wells went to come up with his evidence and conclusions. I'm still disturbed over it. I can't believe that the American people and vast majority of sports writers can be so stupid and not see the report for what it is. I'm still pissed.

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NP, I think it's simple. The American people and the vast majority of sports writers 1) didn't read it, and 2) even if they had read it, they wouldn't have thought one bit differently than they did before. This was an in-the-bag screw job from the get-go.

AP NYC-

The NFL announced a 12 game suspension for Tom Brady for causing the climate to change. Though the evidence is dubious that a .3 degree rise in temperature provides any competitive damage the NFL still believes Brady was "Generally aware" of the people who may have possibly had a chance to theoretically maybe cause the climate to change. Goodell also cited Brady's reluctance to cooperate by providing naked pictures of Giselle to Goodell as a reason for such a harsh punishment.

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Think about how carefully you read all the 'Bountygate" documents and you can understand the way most people think about "Deflategate." Goodell got raked over the coals in Bountygate and his suspensions were overturned, but few called out Goodell and the owners and they stepped in it again. And after Brady's suspension is overturned Goodell and the owners will march lockstep into their next fiasco.

ViperGTS said:

Let's go ask the Dino's how it worked for them. Or the Wooly Mammoths. It's the arrogance of man to think that it can have a massive effect on the earth. Now cutting trees and polluting water is different. There will be another Ice Age. Just depends on when.

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Whoa buddy, let's not jump to conclusions. First off the most likely explanation for the extinction of dinosaurs (or really anything bad) is that Tom Brady caused it. He hasn't even denied it, and he won't let us see his phone texts- pretty suspicious. I expect Kraft will hold a press conference tomorrow admitting it.

F' the NFL. I get a sick feeling even thinking about it. I agree with everything he said. I should be psyched about winning the SB, the draft, OTA's ... But I really don't give a ****. They finally made it what they want. Reach the masses, by making it "reality TV". I'm quickly becoming used to the idea of ending it.

Boo hoo.

denverpatsfan said:

Wow. Can't believe someone here was published. Kudos to him. I agree wholeheartedly. It will be very hard to stop watching this team however. The BB, TFB and Gronk show is amazing.

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No chance in hell i ever stop watching this team

Gwedd said:

Well, your friend ought to sue to get his money back. Man-caused climate change has been shot down by every working climatoligist. You know, the folks actually working in the field. As to "climate change", guess what? It happens all the time. It's called weather. The sun expands and contrats by minute amounts and we get warmer or colder. The Earth's climate is affected by all sorts of natural phenomenon, especially volcanoes, and if they are large enough, like Tambora, or Toba, or even Yellowstone, then we will see catastrophic weather changes, In fact, some 70K years ago, Humans came near to extinct when Toba erupted. It is estimated that humans, world-wide, were reduced to around 10,000 pairs.

Yet humans have virtually no effect upon the world-wide climate itself. There is zero proof of that, though the watermelons (those who are green on the outside, but red on the inside) claim otherwise. And as to volcanoes, typhoons, solar activity, earthquakes and such, there is absolutely nothing that humans can do about it.

The entire Climate Change hoax is a bid for power, and nothing more. It's a bid to control resources outside of the market, for a self-appointed elite to claim supremacy for themselves and lord it over the rest of us. THAT is fact, not speculation, and unlike man-made/caused climate change, absolutely verifiable.

But do go on with your assertions. You still have the right to do so, and we who fight against the climate change hoax will defend your right to do so, unlike the supporters of that hoax, who have loudly claimed that anyone "denying" their assertions should be jailed, or worse.

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We know what happens when massive amounts of carbon are released into the atmosphere, even if the current trend can't be 100% proven to be caused by man's releasing of millions of tons (OF A GAS!) of carbon into the atmosphere every year, for over a century. The effects of such massive releases can be so severe that we can track the release of carbons from specific volcanic eruptions and asteroid impacts hundreds of millions of years later.

You (we all) need to stop trying to fit new information into how we want to see the world, and instead learn to seriously reconsider our perspective when new information is learned. You must search for the truth, ESPECIALLY when it conflicts with strongly held beliefs. Five minutes on google will show you how ridiculous the statement " Man-caused climate change has been shot down by every working climatoligist." is. Stop subscribing to others' agendas and try to see the world for what it is.

Gwedd said:

Well, your friend ought to sue to get his money back. Man-caused climate change has been shot down by every working climatoligist. You know, the folks actually working in the field. As to "climate change", guess what? It happens all the time. It's called weather. The sun expands and contrats by minute amounts and we get warmer or colder. The Earth's climate is affected by all sorts of natural phenomenon, especially volcanoes, and if they are large enough, like Tambora, or Toba, or even Yellowstone, then we will see catastrophic weather changes, In fact, some 70K years ago, Humans came near to extinct when Toba erupted. It is estimated that humans, world-wide, were reduced to around 10,000 pairs.

Yet humans have virtually no effect upon the world-wide climate itself. There is zero proof of that, though the watermelons (those who are green on the outside, but red on the inside) claim otherwise. And as to volcanoes, typhoons, solar activity, earthquakes and such, there is absolutely nothing that humans can do about it.

The entire Climate Change hoax is a bid for power, and nothing more. It's a bid to control resources outside of the market, for a self-appointed elite to claim supremacy for themselves and lord it over the rest of us. THAT is fact, not speculation, and unlike man-made/caused climate change, absolutely verifiable.

But do go on with your assertions. You still have the right to do so, and we who fight against the climate change hoax will defend your right to do so, unlike the supporters of that hoax, who have loudly claimed that anyone "denying" their assertions should be jailed, or worse.

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You should quit while you're behind or find another forum. You're making a fool of yourself.

Gwedd said:

Well, your friend ought to sue to get his money back. Man-caused climate change has been shot down by every working climatoligist. You know, the folks actually working in the field. As to "climate change", guess what? It happens all the time. It's called weather. The sun expands and contrats by minute amounts and we get warmer or colder. The Earth's climate is affected by all sorts of natural phenomenon, especially volcanoes, and if they are large enough, like Tambora, or Toba, or even Yellowstone, then we will see catastrophic weather changes, In fact, some 70K years ago, Humans came near to extinct when Toba erupted. It is estimated that humans, world-wide, were reduced to around 10,000 pairs.

Yet humans have virtually no effect upon the world-wide climate itself. There is zero proof of that, though the watermelons (those who are green on the outside, but red on the inside) claim otherwise. And as to volcanoes, typhoons, solar activity, earthquakes and such, there is absolutely nothing that humans can do about it.

The entire Climate Change hoax is a bid for power, and nothing more. It's a bid to control resources outside of the market, for a self-appointed elite to claim supremacy for themselves and lord it over the rest of us. THAT is fact, not speculation, and unlike man-made/caused climate change, absolutely verifiable.

But do go on with your assertions. You still have the right to do so, and we who fight against the climate change hoax will defend your right to do so, unlike the supporters of that hoax, who have loudly claimed that anyone "denying" their assertions should be jailed, or worse.

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Two things:

1. Until I read your post I was afraid to fart in fear that I would have a higher AC bill.

2. The reality of what is causing climate change or if there is climate change is still unknown. I do know that energy is energy and when you burn kinetic type energy such as oil or wood or coal you are adding energy into the environment. Some of that is heat energy, some of it is motion and many other things but once 6 billion people burn something it adds to the total. Does that mean that we are causing climate change? I don't know. You are correct when you state that climate change has happened throughout the life of the planet for natural reasons and there are experts that state we are due for another mini ice age. Your point about it being a bid for power is absolutely true but people have used real scientific issues in a bid for power in the past as much as they have used pseudoscience. So is human caused climate change real? I don't know. I do think switching to alternative energies in order to become less oil dependant is a smart thing regardless of your opinions on climate control. Oil will run out eventually whether its by the middle of the century or by the end of the next century and the quicker we conveniently dive into alternative energy sources the more prepared we will be.

JackBauer said:

Will ultimately regret this but: source?

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Sean Hannity & Bill O'Reilly