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WHAT IF? TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT OCT 16TH JETS OVERINFLATION:


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I dont see how you misread what I wrote, but I wrote nothing about McNally and bathrooms.

It should be clear to Patriot fans that based on the texts, Brady and Jastremski had talked about the whole situation with the refs and PSI in the past. The fact that Brady was pissed basically meant he wanted Jastremski to make sure it didn't happen again. That could likely mean that McNally emphasizes to the refs that there can be no more 16 PSI balls and that Brady wants them at 12.5 PSI, with McNally hovering over their shoulders as they do their checks, or it could mean McNally made the adjustments himself (from 16 PSI to 12.5 PSI). That's what I am saying.

First lets be clear, according to Wells and Goodell the deflating of footballs has been a long term practice of TB12 and his ball boys. YET this incident proves that at least up to this game no balls were ever deflated.

Think about it! If McNally was deflating footballs this Jets incident never could have happened!! Because McNally would have deflated all the balls back to where TB12 wanted them.
 
That's some crackpot bolding and capitalizing! As much as part of me is ready to dive into every rabbit hole that opens up, I think what we see here is as follows:

- In the JEST game, a ref just casually says/thinks "them damn Patriots and their saggy (i.e., 12.5 PSI) balls! Jack these way up!"
- Up they are jacked, no measurement taken, because it's bullcrap that this measuring process is some kind of sacrosanct ritual.
- THEN they turn it into the Holy PSI Measurement Ritual as part of the "gate" thing. Sounds like bullcrap to me. I think when Brady's pissed that the ball's jacked way the hell up, the ref reprises Aiello's role from 2006: "That's football"

Of course, "That's football" most days, unless it's your World Champion New England Patriots.

The worst thing about the Wells report is that it is not written to answer the question "what happened." It is written to answer the question "Are the Patriots guilty?" That's the first layer of bias; of course, the second through 3487th layer is all the tricks that go into "Generally aware" of "more probable than not."

But back to the first question: What happened here?

If you take a systems approach, if you're trotting out those texts discussing the rogue refs' behavior, you run that down, and you put it in black and white. Even if you don't like the guy who says your ref pumped up a ball to 16, you find out how and why.

If you're on a fault-finding mission with only one target, you ignore it.

As the NFL* chose to do.

"Are the Patriots guilty?"

My reading of the Well's report is a little different then yours.
The Wells report was written not to answer any questions at all. But rather the Well's Report was charged with leaving no stone unturned in PROVING The Patriots GUILTY in the Court of Public Opinion. Damn the Truth full speed ahead.
Without the Well's False credentials and the NFL* Controlling he flow and pace of the false information leaking out, for more than 100 days DEFLATEGATE never gets off the ground.
DEFLATEGATE has been run like a CIA psyop used to topple an unfriendly despot.
 
Don't forget that one of the texts says to get the balls to 13 PSI, because that's where Brady likes them.

The likeliest explanation, as I can imagine it, is that Brady told them to get the balls to 13. Brady very likely didn't care how they did it, or didn't even know the rules of when it was to be done. I imagine he just understood that the ball guy could get them to his preferred PSI together with the refs, and there needn't be a conspiracy to do so.

Why?

Because he wanted the balls at 13 PSI, within the legal range. Not 16 PSI.

Yes - I constantly point this out... there's a lot in the Wells Report that Wells himself just chose to ignore or contradict. Candid text messages from well before this scandal document that Brady's preferred PSI was 13.0

I'm not quite sure where Wells draws the conclusions he did - but he actually has to contradict the "best recollection" of the lead official to even suggest that the ball was under-inflated in the first place

I'd still love to have a reporter ask Goodell whether he'll now be fining Manning based on this NY Times article he previously ignored.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/sports/football/eli-mannings-footballs-are-months-in-making.html
 
First lets be clear, according to Wells and Goodell the deflating of footballs has been a long term practice of TB12 and his ball boys. YET this incident proves that at least up to this game no balls were ever deflated.

Think about it! If McNally was deflating footballs this Jets incident never could have happened!! Because McNally would have deflated all the balls back to where TB12 wanted them.

Yes, the Oct.16th game has been carefully overlooked to fit the league's agenda, as has been the text messages from McNally to his then fiancee, suggesting that "Tom was right," and that "they should be 13."

How this information could have been overlooked, along with the ref's words that he used the other gauge, are beyond me. It seems very careless to overlook that information, while bringing the speculative texts into the context for which Ted Wells saw fit. None of it makes any sense whatsoever.
 
Yes, the Oct.16th game has been carefully overlooked to fit the league's agenda, as has been the text messages from McNally to his then fiancee, suggesting that "Tom was right," and that "they should be 13."

How this information could have been overlooked, along with the ref's words that he used the other gauge, are beyond me. It seems very careless to overlook that information, while bringing the speculative texts into the context for which Ted Wells saw fit. None of it makes any sense whatsoever.


It will never make sense until one accepts it was not careless it was premeditated!
 
The ref who was in charge of that game therefore overseeing the 16 PSI Footballs - Bill Leavy (of Super Bowl XL fame, no less) "retired" a couple of weeks ago too.
 
Don't forget that one of the texts says to get the balls to 13 PSI, because that's where Brady likes them.

The likeliest explanation, as I can imagine it, is that Brady told them to get the balls to 13. Brady very likely didn't care how they did it, or didn't even know the rules of when it was to be done. I imagine he just understood that the ball guy could get them to his preferred PSI together with the refs, and there needn't be a conspiracy to do so.

Why?

Because he wanted the balls at 13 PSI, within the legal range. Not 16 PSI.
This is the key part that no one is talking about and, to me, is the most significant part. He's on record saying he likes his balls at 13 psi and was apparently upset about the balls being over-inflated. If his instructions to the staff were to make sure the balls were at 13 psi (in the legal range), how can he possibly be found guilty in any deflation conspiracy? It sounds like someone is guilty (Goodell and the Jets, I'm looking at you) at OVER inflating the balls to give the other team an edge.

OTOH, why didn't Brady just simply come out at the presser and say, "look, I prefer my footballs to be at 13 psi and told my guys to make sure that they're at that level. That's all I know"?

In any case, the league looks pretty f*cked up right now. If anything, it sounds like those Giant superbowls and that Colts 2006 AFCCG should have asterisks beside them.
 
I inflated a soccer ball today to 10 PSI. It was supposed to be between 8 and 12 PSI.

I can vouch for the fact that it took me several pumps to move it from 7 or 8 to 10, so I'm assuming the ref pumped it at least 5 times to get from 12 to 16.

Which means that, yeah, anyone who does this regularly would know he only need a couple pumps to get it from 11 to 12.5, so the fact it got to 16 makes the whole thing nutty.

The ref had to be busting balls.

I'm sure this must have happened multiple time over the years, and I wouldn't blame McNally if he took it upon himself to make sure 16 PSIs dropped within the legal range.

Deflator indeed.

Ok....you know the refs nor anyone in the NFL pumps the footballs with a hand-pump, don't you?
 
I admit to being crazy. If I wasn't already, this deflate gate nonsense has finally pushed me over the edge. But, the 16 PSI footballs in the Jets game is the real scandal here, and I can't understand why the media isn't pursuing it.

If I was a prosecuting attorney for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, I would be opening a criminal investigation into this matter. For a referee to intentionally overinflate footballs in an attempt to influence the outcome of a game must violate a criminal statute of some kind. I'd love to see Bill Leavy and Dean Blandino be interrogated and see what comes of it.
 
Ok....you know the refs nor anyone in the NFL pumps the footballs with a hand-pump, don't you?

Actually many do, the pumps and needles must be provided by the Home team.
As far as i can tell all teams provide hand pumps of various sorts.
If an NFL* Ref wants an electric pump it is at his own expense and with the new rules (supposedly) being promised this up coming season how will you control the QC on the pumps meter unless you standardize all the pumps and and check them against some type of master meter? This is going to be a whole lot more complicated than they are thinking.
 
Typical NFL*. It's just another dog and pony so everyone can say "see we do take this seriously. see. look how carefully we are doing this. this is what we meant. this is important. it really is. these $2000 scientific gauges are the finest in the world. we care about this. see how shiny they are. that's quality work there. we test them for accuracy every week too. look it has a special button that converts to master gauge mode. another one here if it's cold outside. blah blah blah". But for sure, one thing they will never do, is measure the balls at half time or at the end of a game. NEVER. EVER. Because if they do someone will say, hey aren't those numbers about the same as you said couldn't happen and started that whole PSIgate thingy?

That reminds me. Another thing that bothers me about this whole fiasco is TB for sure will NOT getting the game footballs anywhere near 12.5 lb/in this season. You know, like what he has practiced with and prefers them as for his whole career. Just another special rule NE handicap from this crapshow. The NFL* will take weather into account when measuring the balls, or maybe do it outside, or leave a margin for error, or whatever. But during the game they ain't gonna feel like they would as they did when set at 12.5 in a nice warm the locker room. **** now that they know TB doesn't like them at 16 I wouldn't be surprised if they set the limits specifically to the high end.

Actually many do, the pumps and needles must be provided by the Home team.
As far as i can tell all teams provide hand pumps of various sorts.
If an NFL* Ref wants an electric pump it is at his own expense and with the new rules (supposedly) being promised this up coming season how will you control the QC on the pumps meter unless you standardize all the pumps and and check them against some type of master meter? This is going to be a whole lot more complicated than they are thinking.
 
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Actually many do, the pumps and needles must be provided by the Home team.
As far as i can tell all teams provide hand pumps of various sorts.
If an NFL* Ref wants an electric pump it is at his own expense and with the new rules (supposedly) being promised this up coming season how will you control the QC on the pumps meter unless you standardize all the pumps and and check them against some type of master meter? This is going to be a whole lot more complicated than they are thinking.

I agree...and the fact they don't have compressors/electric pumps is idiotic, high school BS.
 
I always thought that "Talked to him last night...said you must have a lot of stress getting them done" was referring to the back-breaking process of getting new balls to the way that TB likes them. Reading the article above seems to fit that.

The texts are not strings of conversations. These are all erased texts that forensic experts recovered off the phone.

In other words, they are all non-sequitirs. We don't know what they referrred to. Several of the texts were recovered in strings with time stamps. But this isn't one of them. It's a dangler.

Jastremski claims that it refers to a "he" which isn't Brady. Instead, it's about McNally selling Patriots gameday tickets.
 
The texts are not strings of conversations. These are all erased texts that forensic experts recovered off the phone.

In other words, they are all non-sequitirs. We don't know what they referrred to. Several of the texts were recovered in strings with time stamps. But this isn't one of them. It's a dangler.

Jastremski claims that it refers to a "he" which isn't Brady. Instead, it's about McNally selling Patriots gameday tickets.
Where did u get this info?
 
I wonder if the Refs measured the PSI at halftime vs. the Jets if we would have lost a 1st round pick and have Brady suspended because the balls were over inflated?

The more you actually read about this, the worse the NFL looks.

Too bad people only read the headlines theses days.
 
Where did u get this info?

The Patriots WellsReportContext page goes into the fact that the texts are not strings of messages, and that this particular one referred to McNally selling tickets.
 
I wonder if the Refs measured the PSI at halftime vs. the Jets if we would have lost a 1st round pick and have Brady suspended because the balls were over inflated?

The more you actually read about this, the worse the NFL looks.

Too bad people only read the headlines theses days.

This is an excellent question.

It is also an excellent way to frame this entire discussion.
 
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