Kraft and other sports figures despised in Boston

Plunkett2Vataha · May 27, 2015

tom444 said:
Dose anyone remember this SI article? I ate it up at the time.

I was subscribed to SI at the time. I sure do remember the issue with Bobby on the cover and the story inside. When I saw the cover, it sure pealed away the years fast. Thanks for posting this.

XLIX · May 27, 2015

seven said:
It cannot be stated enough times that Eagleson
never told Orr
he had been offered a negotiable double digit percentage ownership of the team.

I read Bobby Orr's book. He comes off as one of the nicest guys on the planet, which is no surprise considering that anyone who has ever met him says he is one of the nicest guys on the planet. He really seems to have a Will Rogers "I never met a man I didn't like" philosophy.

He doesn't have a single negative thing to say about anyone - except Alan Eagleson. I remember thinking to myself "wow.... if Bobby Orr thinks this guy is a jerk, then he must be one of the biggest mother bleeping lowlifes in the world"

Plunkett2Vataha · May 27, 2015

XLIX, which Bobby Orr book did you read? There are several listed on the Barnes and Noble site. I bought the "Bobby Orr and the Big Bad Bruins" book over forty years ago and read it several times. I would like to get the book you mention.

seven · May 27, 2015

XLIX said:
I read Bobby Orr's book. He comes off as one of the nicest guys on the planet, which is no surprise considering that anyone who has ever met him says he is one of the nicest guys on the planet.

I can testify to that.

Still have the framed, famous pic from the paper.
4 in orbit, celebrating.
Black and white, has the old timey handwriting on it, describing the moment.
The Paper sold hardcopies, don't know how many are out there.

Failed at the google finding one with the writing.

Plunkett2Vataha said:
XLIX, which Bobby Orr book did you read?

This is the recent autobio that I spoke about.
Came across it by accident, on sale, autographed.
About fiddeen bux.
Heh.
I was not quite as happy as Bobby in his famous pic though.
Close. Probably.

http://www.amazon.com/Orr-My-Story-Bobby/dp/0399161759

Autographed
http://www.amazon.com/Bobby-Orr-Story-Book-Autographed/dp/B00K2HIYGI

XLIX · May 27, 2015

Plunkett2Vataha said:
XLIX, which Bobby Orr book did you read? There are several listed on the Barnes and Noble site. I bought the "Bobby Orr and the Big Bad Bruins" book over forty years ago and read it several times. I would like to get the book you mention.

His official autobiography, which came out just last year. "Orr: My Story". He has a chapter where he discusses Eagleson. There's obviously still some pain there.

sieglo · May 27, 2015

stinkypete said:
The premise of this thread is absurd and purely reactionary.

As the fans who fund Kraft's billion dollar enterprise, we have every right to be PO'ed. Still, this is the man who saved football in New England. Without Kraft, you don't have Parcells, without Parcells you don't have Belichick, without Belichick you don't have Tom GOAT Brady, and you don't have 4 Super Bowl championships to celebrate.

Ironically, without these 4 titles, you don't have an angry mob of other teams' fans pressuring Goodell to find any reason to knock us down a peg. It's the price of success in today's world. We live in a nasty, high surveillance society with a lust for punishment. Unfortunately, we waste this energy on our sports figures instead of using it to make our world better.

Goodell and Wells are flat wrong about deflategate. The fans and media are flat wrong about their overreaction and blood lust. Kraft was probably right in choosing to let this pass and focusing on Pittsburgh.

The sting will subside when Brady returns, takes the MVP, and leads the defiant Patriots to #5. Otherwise, remember that without Kraft, these are the St. Louis Patriots.

The American Revolution might not have survived the first year or two without the contributions of Benedict Arnold.

But we all know how history remembers him.

Plunkett2Vataha · May 27, 2015

Thanks XLIX. I'm going to get it today.
I had forgotten the despicable withholding of information Eagleson did to Orr. I, like many others, blamed it all on Sinden. I also wonder if Orr had been a part of ownership all these years, how different the organization could have been.

tom444 · May 27, 2015

seven said:
It cannot be stated enough times that Eagleson
never told Orr
he had been offered a negotiable double digit percentage ownership of the team.

I remember hating Eagleson but I had forgotten why also. What an ***bleep.

1960Pats · May 27, 2015

Plunkett2Vataha said:
Triumph, I don't recall Magnuson injuring Orr. I know Orr's original injury occurred against Toronto in either his first or second season (I was just a little kid then). And then his last major knee injury was due to a cheap shot by Bill Barber who stuck his leg out to mess him up. That's what basically ended his career. Every operation in those days was a major excavation, not the neat little scope jobs they do now. I often wonder how many unreachable records, and how many more Stanley Cups the Bruins would have had if they had scope jobs back then.

I think it was Pat Quinn who injured Orr on a perfectly clean hit behind the net.

Zuma · May 27, 2015

Speaking only for myself...my distain for Bill Laimbeer rivals no other. And as a close second....Mark Schlereth is a total A-hole.

1960Pats · May 27, 2015

Triumph said:
Buckners ankles were shot.

Besides, the Red Sox had more opportunities to still win.

Buckner allowed a slow roller to go through his legs that would have won the World Series. It wasn't his fault that he was still in there, but it clearly was his fault for missing that grounder. He deserves criticism for that missed opportunity.

I remember wondering why Buckner was staying in the game when he batted with the bases loaded against lefty Jesse Orosco in the 8th. That was when I knew they were not going to put in Stapleton, who had been replacing Buckner for defense late in games. Buckner looked like crap against Orosco's curve ball.

captain stone · May 27, 2015

Maybe we're thinking of different instances, but the Pat Quinn hit I remember was a direct shot
at Orr's knee, not a clean hit at all.

1960Pats said:
I think it was Pat Quinn who injured Orr on a perfectly clean hit behind the net.

XLIX · May 27, 2015

1960Pats said:
Buckner allowed a slow roller to go through his legs that would have won the World Series.

The game was actually already tied at that point. If Buckner makes the play, they advance to the 11th.

ESPN did a 30-for-30 on the Cubs' Steve Bartman incident of 2003. While the focus of that episode is on Bartman, it speaks quite a bit about Buckner and Game 6 and the astronomical amount of things that had to go wrong to even get to the point they were at. It talks quite a bit about the whole concept of scapegoats, especially as they pertain to sports.

Plunkett2Vataha · May 27, 2015

XLIX said:
The game was actually already tied at that point. If Buckner makes the play, they advance to the 11th.

And the Mets basically had a scared rookie to pitch the 11th, Rick Aguilera, the same pitcher who had just given up two runs in his previous inning. They had already used up Orosco and McDowell, their two best bullpen pitchers. The Red Sox had Stanley, who was their second best pitcher (behind Hurst) that World Series. That whole inning turned on the pitch that Gedman missed, the one that allowed Knight to advance to second, where he could score on the error. I believe I read somewhere the reason McNamara left Buckner in was because he wanted his veterans to be on the field when they won the Series.

IcyPatriot · May 28, 2015

I would rather see the most hated local media list.

1: Tomasse
2: Shaughnasty
3: Borges
4: Felger

5-6-7-8-9-10 ..........

YOUGOTMOSSED · May 28, 2015

TruthSeeker said:
I figure I should step up and take the anger of my fellow Pat fans.

I've been reading the vitriol expressed and just don't get it. So if Bob Kraft filed a near hopeless appeal and lost he'd continue to be a hero?

From my (and I expect his) perspective, what he did was agree that prolonging the story of owner vs. Commissioner was a lose/lose/lose situation for the NFL, the Commissioner and the media focus. Yes, it would have made Patriot fans (including me) feel better about things, but it wasn't going to accomplish much, if anything, from a practical perspective.

I guess it's all about image and I'm a bottom line guy. Patriot fans feel betrayed because they had their heart set on Kraft fighting all-out in what was essentially an unwinable war (for him; Brady has excellent chances to win). I never shared that expectation. I love the Wells Report Context site and believe that Kraft pretty much did what he could to share the truth with his press conferences backing Brady/Belichick and the context response. It's clear (to me anyway) that Kraft continues to believe what he has believed from the beginning - the Patriots did nothing wrong.

Kraft made a decision that will likely allow him to continue his influence with other NFL owners (which I can only see as a good thing). Evidently the cost included alienating most of his fan base. Hopefully, the passage of time may allow what I think would be a more reasoned response to Kraft's actions which I don't see as treasoness or even an about-face - just a position that acknowledges a lost situation and tries to salvage something from it which can be used down the road.

Feel free to dislike/disagree. I hope you won't hold it against me that I see this differently but I thought it was worth being honest in what I think.

First and foremost, it should be the owner's job to protect the team. Goodell has been riding roughshod over the Patriots since he first finagled himself into the commissioner's office. All the while, Kraft has been kissing his ass and supporting him throughout. Why on Earth do you support someone obviously trying to hurt you? Was he too gullible to see Goodell had an apparent agenda against the Patriots? If he thought he was currying favor by supporting Goodell after the whole cameragate fiasco, he apparently was very much mistaken. He should have seen Goodell was a potential problem a long time ago and should have started to take steps to keep him in check.

I need someone more like Littlefinger running my team or at least someone less like Mace Tyrell (for you Game of Thrones fans).

Jackson 2 · May 28, 2015

IcyPatriot said:
I would rather see the most hated local media list.

1: Tomasse
2: Shaughnasty
3: Borges
4: Felger

5-6-7-8-9-10 ..........

Mazzarotti, Benz, Ryan, Buckley, Gasper, MacMullen, Volin...you need more numbers...

Triumph · May 28, 2015

Plunkett2Vataha said:
I believe he was talking about the era when Magnuson played. It was the Flyers who started the practice of keeping at least one goon on their squad. Schultz was the first I recall, and he was a doozy.

The Broad Street Bullies.

Even Bobby Clarke was a Goon and he was Center.

Triumph · May 28, 2015

tom444 said:
Point taken.

Dose anyone remember this SI article? I ate it up at the time.

"It's Bobby Orr & The Animals

Boston's top rock group features an incomparable young defenseman, a nifty scorer and a supporting ensemble of hard noses. That is enough to make the Bruins a threat to end Montreal's reign in hockey.......

..........The Bruins are the biggest, toughest, roughest, meanest, most penalized team in the National Hockey League this year. Led by the wondrous defenseman Bobby Orr (see cover) and Center Phil Esposito, who is on a scoring binge, the Bruins can also play hockey."

http://www.si.com/vault/1969/02/03/558460/its-bobby-orr--the-animals

The Bruins played a totally different style of hockey compared to finesse teams like Montreal.

Just like in the NFL, the Bruins wanted to interrupt the Canadians timing. The Bruins played the body and Montreal wanted to skate up and down the ice freely with precision passing. The Bruins weren't Goons unless you think that hockey isn't a physical game. They scored plenty of goals.

Triumph · May 28, 2015

tom444 said:
Bruins goons? How about Stan Jonathan, or John Wensink.

They weren't on Orrs team.

The only guy you could call a Goon was Wayne Cashman.

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