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Unfortunately, I don't know many owners/team presidents that willingly infringed a stain on their company in favor of their rivals. They do it because they are inept. Kraft did it because he was extremely selfish, and cared only for his power/money within the NFL. That I cannot forgive.

Down here in DC the Skins fans either laugh at Snyder or just plain hate him. Probably the most popular thing he's done is dug in his heels over the racist team name/logo/etc.

The OP is right... we've been so lucky for so long that there's nobody we hate within the hierarchy. To me Kraft's statements/actions have been "meh." A winning team is still best for him ultimately. He's got the resources to make that happen. Plus I legitimately think he is a fan, from the POV that "We won!" actually makes him happy, not just the dollars.

I do understand how he pissed off fans building up a defense that he then dropped.

But dude yeah, it does get much, much worse :)
 
I'd have been more angry at Mr Kraft if he hadn't initially responded in the right way (number 12's back, rebuttal website). As it is, that's made me more disappointed in him.
 
I'd have been more angry at Mr Kraft if he hadn't initially responded in the right way (number 12's back, rebuttal website). As it is, that's made me more disappointed in him.
I disagree the teams initial reactions actually brought the cross hairs to Brady. Kraft should never have allowed TB12 to say one word unless you were willing to fight as long as it took. If you were never going to fight other than a few empty words in the media then the team should have stepped in January taken the punishment and never got TB12 involved.
 
I think New England fans are well-acquainted with not liking team owners. We have one of the more unlikable ownership groups in the MLB (never forgave them for how they smeared Francona while pushing him out). Jeremy Jacobs has been a consistently bad owner for decades for the Bruins. At this point, the Celtics' ownership is the only one left that I'm even indifferent to--I generally like Grousbeck and co.
 
Since Kraft bought the team in the early 1990's, we've had only three coaches. At least 2 Super Bowl visits for each head coach, averaging 3.67 appearances per coach (11 total), and averaging 2.3 Super Bowl trophies per coach so far (7). Four of the seven, as Patriots coaches. The coach who got those four is our current coach. He literally defeated the coach he replaced -- in the most recent Super Bowl. And the one he replaced, won the Super Bowl the year before. Very nice.

In the mean time, lots of people became NFL head coaches for the first time, lasted one or a few years, and never became a head coach again (never mind reaching any kind of playoffs.)

P.S.: never forget the 45-7 victory over the Colts. :)

3 coaches - Pete Carroll happened.
 
I'd have been more angry at Mr Kraft if he hadn't initially responded in the right way (number 12's back, rebuttal website). As it is, that's made me more disappointed in him.

There was some speculation that once Kraft released that website, he basically was throwing in the white towel. After all, why would anyone carefully, lay out their entire mindset defense in a step-by-step process if they were actually planning on doing anything about it in court?

I never once thought Kraft would sue in court, but he should've played through the appeals process, even if it ended up being futile. I don't think it would've made any difference, but it wasn't a good look. That said, we also don't know what's going on behind the scenes, either, and as skeptical as I've been in regards to getting a real, fair shake, I am beginning to think an attempt will be made to try and clean things up a bit.
 
There was some speculation that once Kraft released that website, he basically was throwing in the white towel. After all, why would anyone carefully, lay out their entire mindset defense in a step-by-step process if they were actually planning on doing anything about it in court?

I never once thought Kraft would sue in court, but he should've played through the appeals process, even if it ended up being futile. I don't think it would've made any difference, but it wasn't a good look. That said, we also don't know what's going on behind the scenes, either, and as skeptical as I've been in regards to getting a real, fair shake, I am beginning to think an attempt will be made to try and clean things up a bit.
That's all that Kraft needed to do. Really, that's it.
 
There was some speculation that once Kraft released that website, he basically was throwing in the white towel. After all, why would anyone carefully, lay out their entire mindset defense in a step-by-step process if they were actually planning on doing anything about it in court?

I never once thought Kraft would sue in court, but he should've played through the appeals process, even if it ended up being futile. I don't think it would've made any difference, but it wasn't a good look. That said, we also don't know what's going on behind the scenes, either, and as skeptical as I've been in regards to getting a real, fair shake, I am beginning to think an attempt will be made to try and clean things up a bit.

Like many situations in life, the League is both competitive and co-operative. If you're going to be successful, you have to be able to take both stances. If you're known as someone who always goes along with things, you'll just be used as a doormat.

My quarrel isn't with the fact that Mr Kraft folded, but the way that he did. If there had been a calm, principled statement that the Patriots position hadn't changed and that, though they accepted the overwhelming forces against them, they did not accept the validity of the disciplinary process or the verdict it reached, I would have been at peace with the team.

@SBB If he was going to fold, he should have done it before the Wells report even came out? I disagree. Mr Kraft clearly hoped that the weight of the evidence (lack of positive indication of wrongdoing, good scientific explanation for pressure changes) would lead Wells to exonerate the Patriots. As did many of us. The League kicked him (and us) in the private parts. Unfortunately, his disappeared in consequence.

And here's a set of fans that hate their owner far more (and with more reason) than anyone hates Mr Kraft. What a great slogan!

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@SBB If he was going to fold, he should have done it before the Wells report even came out? I disagree. Mr Kraft clearly hoped that the weight of the evidence (lack of positive indication of wrongdoing, good scientific explanation for pressure changes) would lead Wells to exonerate the Patriots.
I see your point.
I just can't help but wonder what the punishment would have been had they not fought it and not made a trial out of it. I am in no way saying this was the right choice. But with hindsight knowing Kraft was going to roll over maybe he would have been better served to do it in January. It could of spared Brady from ever being involved. Instead he started a crusade to clear the Patriots good name only the second this road got tough and/or costly he rolled over.
 
I see your point.
I just can't help but wonder what the punishment would have been had they not fought it and not made a trial out of it. I am in no way saying this was the right choice. But with hindsight knowing Kraft was going to roll over maybe he would have been better served to do it in January. It could of spared Brady from ever being involved. Instead he started a crusade to clear the Patriots good name only the second this road got tough and/or costly he rolled over.

Of course, we can never know what would have happened if things had been done differently. I mean, we don't even have a very good grasp of what did happen. Call me paranoid, but the whole thing looks like a targeted attempt to take those high-and-mighty-cheating-Patriots down a peg or two. Bedard, who, whatever you think of him, has better contacts than most had a lot of people around the league tell him that the Patriots were ALWAYS pushing things to the edge and beyond. For better or worse, that's the atmosphere.
 
My quarrel isn't with the fact that Mr Kraft folded, but the way that he did. If there had been a calm, principled statement that the Patriots position hadn't changed and that, though they accepted the overwhelming forces against them, they did not accept the validity of the disciplinary process or the verdict it reached, I would have been at peace with the team.

Here is Kraft's exact, word-by-word statement. I think it hits on a lot of what you stated that you wished you'd see. The problem is that it was heavily overshadowed by the fact that he also made comments about the "32" as well, and that's what most here are focusing on. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with Kraft's decision either, but I'm simply pointing out that he did hit on a lot of your above wishes (IMO--you may see it differently, of course):

"I’m going to accept, reluctantly, what [NFL commissioner Roger Goodell] has given to us, and not continue this dialogue and rhetoric," Kraft said of the punishment that includes the loss of multiple draft picks, a $1 million fine and a four-game suspension for Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. "We won’t appeal."

Kraft said he still believed the "deflategate" report was not "fair," that there was "no hard evidence" to prove team personnel purposefully deflated footballs below approved levels and that the punishment was "way over the top," "unreasonable and unprecedented.
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His initial words belie his final action of caving and sucking up.
 
Kraft has done some things right and some things wrong. As a business owner and a member of the community, he has been outstanding. He learned from his earlier mistakes with Parcells and Carroll and let Belichick run the football side of his business. On the other hand, he has championed Goodell, which probably will go down as one of the worst decisions of his life. His handling of Deflategate has been a disaster. He is more probable than not still a good owner.
 
It's easy. Kraft stopped being a fan and picked which team was his now. The NFL. I really don't think it's anything more than that.
 
Consider this a learning experience: that as painful as these last few days have been, think about how common it is for fans to disagree vehemently with franchise owners. Jets fans are unhappy with Woody Johnson, Cowboys fans haven't agreed with Jerry Jones' decisions, and even respected owners like the Maras and Synders have had their share of critics over the years.

We Pats fans, on the other hand (especially us millennials who grew up as fans in the 2000s) have had the rare luxury of never having to suffer because of management. Everything that a fan could ever ask for, has been given to us. Our team has enjoyed tremendous success for 14 years, rarely missing the playoffs (whereas other teams struggle to maintain consistency); whereas other teams have gone through MULTIPLE head coaches and QBs, we have had just one legendary head coach and a hall-of-fame quarterback. Bob Kraft, meanwhile, has stayed largely in the background, never taking it upon himself to interfere with on-the-field issues. He has earned an impeccable reputation for his philanthropy, and has spent the better part of 30 years investing in the franchise, providing everything from a privately-funded stadium to vast improvements in franchise branding.

While many disagree with his handling of Spygate, he has never made a financial blunder...never hired a coach who could not display potential or competence. He has spared us, for the most part, of any sort of embarrassment that other fans have had to endure with their owners.

It can be said that as a billionaire, he has lost touch with the fans and players -- and has since accepted a dual-role as a League figure, unwilling to sacrifice his standing for the greater good of the team. But in almost every other regard, he has been a phenomenally successful owner. And I am at least, grateful for that.

Now, where was I? Or yes, back to the Kraft bashing :) hehehe

I'm sorry, but as a Pats fan from day one I have a right to talk about suffering, because WE KNOW SUFFERING.

Yes, we were the laughingstock of the AFL and everybody loved us. But man did we suffer.
Then came the 70's and 80's and some decent teams but only one SB appearance and wow, did we ever suffer.
Then there were the 90's and another close call, but again we suffered.
Then along comes Brady, Belichick and I guess you.
And then the winning starts, and it keeps going and going and going.
I will continue to enjoy that and laugh in the faces of all those who laughed at us along the way and who cry now.
And please allow me the luxury of rooting for the GOAT on the field over just another owner, especially when the owner makes such a clear choice and isn't involved in the football operation, as you noted in your post.
Krafty Bob should thank his lucky stars that Brady and Belichick fell into his lap.
 
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