Kraft and other sports figures despised in Boston

Triumph said:

Harry Sinden letting Bobby Orr walk was a kick in the gut. The Blackhawks of all teams when they played a huge role in hurting Orr.

Kieth Magnusson was a Sob.

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I'd rather Orr had stayed for everyones sake, but lets be real, his playing days were over.

tom444 said:

I'd rather Orr had stayed for everyones sake, but lets be real, his playing days were over.

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His playing days were numbered because he put it all on the ice for Boston.

The greatest NHL player ever should have called it quits in a Bruins uniform. Orr earned and deserved that.

tom444 said:

I'd rather Orr had stayed for everyones sake, but lets be real, his playing days were over.

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Triumph, I don't recall Magnuson injuring Orr. I know Orr's original injury occurred against Toronto in either his first or second season (I was just a little kid then). And then his last major knee injury was due to a cheap shot by Bill Barber who stuck his leg out to mess him up. That's what basically ended his career. Every operation in those days was a major excavation, not the neat little scope jobs they do now. I often wonder how many unreachable records, and how many more Stanley Cups the Bruins would have had if they had scope jobs back then.

Triumph said:

His playing days were numbered because he put it all on the ice for Boston.

The greatest NHL player ever should have called it quits in a Bruins uniform. Orr earned and deserved that.

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You are 100% correct Triumph. I thought that was the crappiest thing Sinden ever did was allowing Orr to finish out his career in Chicago. The second crappiest thing was firing Grapes.

FreeTedWilliams said:

it came out years later that Orr's agent, Eagleson (now disbarred) , who later went on to head the NHL player's union, kept Sinden's last offer which included a piece of ownership from Orr.

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True story, in fact I believe that Eagleson spent time in jail because of this & other misdeeds.
What's even sadder than seeing Orr in another uniform - because let's face it, his knees wouldn't have
allowed him to play much longer anyway - is not seeing Orr as part of the current ownership group.
Perhaps he insists that Tyler Seguin not be traded, at least not for the pile of crap settled-on by the
incomptent ChiaPet & Co.

Mack Herron said:

Kraft defenders who argue that there must be some secret plan are acting on on what they want to believe despite all evidence to the contrary. There is indeed a future for them in Kraft's NFL.

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Agreed.

Kraft flat out stated his reasons when he announced he was giving up. He said "At no time should the agenda of one team outweigh the collective good of the 32"

"What I've learned over the last 21 years is the heart and soul and strength of the NFL is the partnership of 32 teams."

Let's assume there was some secret deal or yet unknown plan then why make the above statements. Kraft ended any idea of a secret deal when he flat out said his business partners are the most important thing.

If there was a secret deal you step aside and let the process unfold but no reason to make a statement like that.

Plunkett2Vataha said:

Triumph, I don't recall Magnuson injuring Orr. I know Orr's original injury occurred against Toronto in either his first or second season (I was just a little kid then). And then his last major knee injury was due to a cheap shot by Bill Barber who stuck his leg out to mess him up. That's what basically ended his career. Every operation in those days was a major excavation, not the neat little scope jobs they do now. I often wonder how many unreachable records, and how many more Stanley Cups the Bruins would have had if they had scope jobs back then.

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You're thinking of that a-hole Pat Quinn, who played for Toronto at that time. That's why I never, ever
rooted for any teams he coached.

captain stone said:

You're thinking of that a-hole Pat Quinn, who played for Toronto at that time. That's why I never, ever
rooted for any teams he coached.

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I definitely recall the playoff game when Quinn caught Orr with his head down and ran him/elbowed him. I thought the fans at the Garden would rip him limb from limb. I just don't know if Quinn was the one that gave him his first knee injury.

Plunkett2Vataha said:

Triumph, I don't recall Magnuson injuring Orr. I know Orr's original injury occurred against Toronto in either his first or second season (I was just a little kid then). And then his last major knee injury was due to a cheap shot by Bill Barber who stuck his leg out to mess him up. That's what basically ended his career. Every operation in those days was a major excavation, not the neat little scope jobs they do now. I often wonder how many unreachable records, and how many more Stanley Cups the Bruins would have had if they had scope jobs back then.

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I recall Magnuson going after Orr and hurting him. Keith Magnuson was a Goon.

The Bruins would counter by sending in Wayne Cashman and his wicked left hand to straighten people out. Johnny McKenzie wasn't afraid to fight either, but he was a small guy.

Triumph said:

Keith Magnuson was a Goon.

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He would have made a great Bruin.

Triumph said:

Keith Magnuson was a Goon.

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I saw Magnuson get his arse whipped multiple times by Bruins (Orr, Sanderson, Cashman). In fact, I don't recall Magnuson ever winning a fight.
Triumph, I don't doubt Magnuson cheap-shotted Orr at some point. That may be why so many Bruins beat his arse so many times.

The premise of this thread is absurd and purely reactionary.

As the fans who fund Kraft's billion dollar enterprise, we have every right to be PO'ed. Still, this is the man who saved football in New England. Without Kraft, you don't have Parcells, without Parcells you don't have Belichick, without Belichick you don't have Tom GOAT Brady, and you don't have 4 Super Bowl championships to celebrate.

Ironically, without these 4 titles, you don't have an angry mob of other teams' fans pressuring Goodell to find any reason to knock us down a peg. It's the price of success in today's world. We live in a nasty, high surveillance society with a lust for punishment. Unfortunately, we waste this energy on our sports figures instead of using it to make our world better.

Goodell and Wells are flat wrong about deflategate. The fans and media are flat wrong about their overreaction and blood lust. Kraft was probably right in choosing to let this pass and focusing on Pittsburgh.

The sting will subside when Brady returns, takes the MVP, and leads the defiant Patriots to #5. Otherwise, remember that without Kraft, these are the St. Louis Patriots.

stinkypete said:

The premise of this thread is absurd and purely reactionary.

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Clearly.

There's only one thing that counts. Get Brady back on the field as soon as possible. Anything else is nonsense.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Buckner gave it his all. He made a mistake. If making a mistake gets you "despised" in your book then I guess I've made enough mistakes in my life to be despised aplenty by you.

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I was at the 1988 Sox opening game.
Bill Buckner was back with the Sox as a bench player.

When they announced the team Buckner got loudest standing ovation of all.

Stapleton had been playing 1st in the late innings in other games & the coaches decision not to replace Buckner with Stapleton in game 6,
Was a managerial mistake.

tom444 said:

He would have made a great Bruin.

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What Bruins were Goons?

Orr, Sanderson, Hodge, Esposito, Bucyk, McKenzie, Cheevers, Johnston were all hockey players.

If we're including opponents Bill Lambier has to be at the top of the list.

Triumph said:

What Bruins were Goons?

Orr, Sanderson, Hodge, Esposito, Bucyk, McKenzie, Cheevers, Johnston were all hockey players.

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Bruins goons? How about Stan Jonathan, or John Wensink.

tom444 said:

Bruins goons? How about Stan Jonathan, or John Wensink.

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I believe he was talking about the era when Magnuson played. It was the Flyers who started the practice of keeping at least one goon on their squad. Schultz was the first I recall, and he was a doozy.

Plunkett2Vataha said:

I believe he was talking about the era when Magnuson played.

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Point taken.

Dose anyone remember this SI article? I ate it up at the time.

"It's Bobby Orr & The Animals

Boston's top rock group features an incomparable young defenseman, a nifty scorer and a supporting ensemble of hard noses. That is enough to make the Bruins a threat to end Montreal's reign in hockey.......

..........The Bruins are the biggest, toughest, roughest, meanest, most penalized team in the National Hockey League this year. Led by the wondrous defenseman Bobby Orr (see cover) and Center Phil Esposito, who is on a scoring binge, the Bruins can also play hockey."

http://www.si.com/vault/1969/02/03/558460/its-bobby-orr--the-animals

Triumph said:

Harry Sinden letting Bobby Orr walk was a kick in the gut.

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It cannot be stated enough times that Eagleson
never told Orr
he had been offered a negotiable double digit percentage ownership of the team.

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I too hated Harry for years, blamed him. Stopped watching.
The finale was after Neely. Ulf skating off the ice.

I was prepared for Tombstone writings:
In Loving Memory of Teddy Green

Still pisses me off.

Like the Tuck to a Raida man.
But with death. Actual death, not silly Darth Vader helmet death.
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Imagine Orr still there, in B's management for the last forty or so?
Orr's Bruins, by now.

A crime against him.
And us.