MMQB-Bedard- Next steps for Brady

SVN said:

I wonder what he is talking about there
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/24/memorial-day-nfl-veterans-tom-brady-deflategate/4/


and he goes back and forth about the leage and pats


I expect PFT and others to pick up the packer game rumor now blow it up

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I expect that PFT and others will take rumor after rumor of NE illegal activity and blow them up. There will be a continuous parade of them. History has shown that anyone can make up anything about the Patriots without the slightest fear of being held accountable. It genuinely has become the new national sport. If we all aren't used to it by now, we should get used to it. It is what it is.

Did they ever think that it might just be COLD weather?? Green Bay in late November!! It was 28 degrees at kickoff or nearly 25 degrees colder than the Pats-Colts playoff game..What did they think would happen to the balls that were inflated indoors were then brought outside???

Green Bay weather
11/30/14--- 28 degrees at game time - wind chill 17 degrees at 4:25 east coast time
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/56359/GB_Gamebook.pdf
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And it was 20 degrees at game end......
Do we have to explain Ideal Gas Law to these morons again????
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KGRB/2014/11/30/DailyHistory.html?MR=1


Compare that to the Pats-Colts playoff game when it was in the low 50's. In other words it was 20 plus degrees colder for the Packers game. so when they took the balls from indoors at 70 degrees to outdoors at 28 degrees, what did they think would happen to the balls???
If I can find this info in about 15 minutes, is it asking too much for the NFL and their journalistic toadies to do the same?????
Why do I have this feeling that when Ted Wells and Goodell start their cars in the wintertime and notice low tire pressure, they think that "it is more likely than not" that someone let the air out of their tires overnight???

What Bedard doesn't get is that Brady is team friendly with his contract negotiations because he is concerned about his legacy. Brady doesn't go after every penny in negotiations because he wants to win championships and doesn't want to be seen as a guy who put the Patriots over a barrel and not allowed them to field the best team possible because of his bloated salary. And right now this fight is about his legacy far more than how many games he will miss.

Also, Bedard misses that when it comes to fighting the NFL in general, Brady is a company man, but his company is the NFLPA. He allowed his name to be first on the lawsuit against the League (which probably was a sore spot for Kraft).

And I don't think Kraft will try to talk Brady out of following through fighting this all the way. Kraft raised the white flag because he had no options. He could have gone through with a sham appeal which he knew he wouldn't win, but that was it. Kraft knows Brady can fight and possibly get his suspension overturned. Kraft wouldn't sue his 31 other partners, but I don't know if he would try to stop Brady from doing it.

Lastly, people make it sound like he will be in court all the time. Considering the lawsuit would be more about the CBA and how the NFL violated it and how the punishment is unprecedented, Brady will not be all that involved in the discovery or possibly even the hearings. Any defamation lawsuit will be pushed to the offseason.

Here is the dumbest thing I read from Bedard's column:

b. I know Peter has been pretty vocal about how the Patriots’ footballs barely fall out of the ideal gas law range, depending on which gauge the ref used. I look at it differently. Toss out the highest and lowest readings on both the Patriots’ and Colts’ footballs. The Patriots’ nine footballs lost an average of 11.2 percent and 8.3 percent of their initial PSI according to the two readings done. Colts’ two balls: 2.9 and 5.2 percent. It’s not a great sample size, obviously, but to me it’s a common sense way to say the science is a toss-up, leaving the texts and lack of cooperation, which I absolutely believe should be viewed in the negative column.

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Huh?!? Comparing the Patriots' and Colts' balls is already skewed because they only measured four Colts' balls, but when you start taking out the highest and lowest read balls it makes it even more skewed.

The fact they only measured four Colts' balls (many speculate it is because three of the first four were below 12.5 PSI on one gauge and they feared the other eight would be lower too), means trying to make such comparisons invalid. We have no idea what the readings were with the eight Colts' balls they didn't measure. For all we know, those other eight Colts balls had lower PSI readings than the four they gauged at halftime. So Bedard's experiment doesn't work.

Bedard admits by throwing out the highest and lowest read balls doesn't make a great sample size. Then why throw out any balls with such a small sample size? Because when you compare the 11 Patriots' balls and the 4 Colts' balls measured on the logoed gauge, it shows that the Pats' and Colts' balls lost about the same amount of PSI.

Bedard so wants to prove the Pats guilt that he decided use moron science to make a point. His little experiment doesn't make the science a toss up, it just makes Bedard a moron.

b. I know Peter has been pretty vocal about how the Patriots’ footballs barely fall out of the ideal gas law range, depending on which gauge the ref used. I look at it differently. Toss out the highest and lowest readings on both the Patriots’ and Colts’ footballs. The Patriots’ nine footballs lost an average of 11.2 percent and 8.3 percent of their initial PSI according to the two readings done. Colts’ two balls: 2.9 and 5.2 percent. It’s not a great sample size, obviously, but to me it’s a common sense way to say the science is a toss-up, leaving the texts and lack of cooperation, which I absolutely believe should be viewed in the negative column.

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What in the world is this garbage statistic?

First off, not sure why you want to toss out some of the data. Oh, that's right - it scews the results into a more dramatic difference between the the 2 percentages and it makes your point more significant. That's blatant juggling of the data. It also ignores half of the evidence of the Colts balls.

If you're going to talk percentages, then you need to include the expected percentage of decrease which is 7.84% to 9.06% for the Patriots footballs. This puts the Patriots footballs smack dab in the middle of the range when using the logo gauge - but the way this is reported suggests otherwise. The science question was never primarily how the Patriots balls compared to the Colts balls; the science question is what should the balls be. Why exactly does Bedard prefer the juggled data without the actual expected results in the analysis?

Then Bedard adds on the knock of "lack of cooperation" which is a total red herring - the cooperation was outstanding with 2 exceptions:
- the Wells team and Patriots agreed to a set of interview rules. The Wells team then broke those rules while lying about it with 1 employee that they wanted to interview a second time. The next time the Wells team wants a second interview the Patriots insist the rules previously agreed upon be followed although giving some leeway for the Wells team to get the desired information. The Wells team refuses all but a live second interview at the stadium and issues a report strongly condemning the Patriots for "lack of cooperation" while conveniently not including all the relevant facts in the report. And Bedard is saying that this should go in the negative column of the Patriots??? Hardly. The way that this was handled and then reported by the Wells team is clear evidence of bias which should make any reasonable reader of the report suspicious that the report may be 1-sided and biased in other areas. Did he even read the WellsReportContext response? What happened is well-documented...
- Tom Brady refuses to provide any personal information from his cell phone apparently(?) due to privacy and precedent concerns. Of course, the Wells team already has all relevant communication information between Tom Brady and his alleged co-conspirators since they have the employees' NFL-issued phones. And this is a big deal why? I agree the report makes it a big deal - but I wouldn't trust that report as far as I can spit (and I don't spit ).

This leaves him - and everyone - with what can charitably be described as ambiguous text messages between 2 Patriot employees none of which ever say that Tom Brady ever wanted footballs deflated below 12.5 or deflated after the referee has approved them. Some smoking gun.

SVN said:

Hopefully brady says something soon. Bedard isnt totally off base when he says this

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Brady already addressed this issue. Perhaps in all the noise, he's forgotten. But we haven't forgotten.

There's little point in making another public statement. Some will try to twist it; others will misread body language. Let's focus on the evidence instead of statements for a change.

So what I'm reading from these posts are that Patsfans are generally aware that Bedard is a moron. And that it's more probable than not that he will continue to be a moron.

Also slimy is his little shot agreeing with Revis. Bedard is another mediocre hack, nothing more.

Hopefully I'll be in front of him on a flight soon so I can lean my seat all the way back into his whining face.

Bedard is a total hypocrite here.

This is what happened to Brady the last time he spoke on this: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...lategate-new-england-bill-belichick/27828251/

I still shake my head when I recall Brady's initial press conference on the matter – the one spoofed by Saturday Night Live– when he declared that he knew nothing at all about the intricacies of football preparation.

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News reporter totally twisted what he had to say.

Rob0729 said:

Bedard admits by throwing out the highest and lowest read balls doesn't make a great sample size. Then why throw out any balls with such a small sample size? Because when you compare the 11 Patriots' balls and the 4 Colts' balls measured on the logoed gauge, it shows that the Pats' and Colts' balls lost about the same amount of PSI.

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If you take out Peter King's logical reasoned and more scientific way of looking at things, and instead consider my idiotic methods, you'll realize that Peter King is wrong. Also, the Nobel Prize committee should start looking at the guy who agrees with the Patriots. That prize was a mistake.

The colts balls were measured just before the end of halftime! meaning that they were sitting in the 70 degree room for almost twenty minutes before the were tested, which, as we all know from science, will cause the gas to expand, and result in a higher PSI reading.

Every shred of evidence against the Pats can be refuted! Any decent lawyer would kill the NFL in court!

How things change, less than a year ago Bedard was on the clowns radio show completely destroying Goodell, saying he is a moron, he is a liar, said he was on the owners pockets, he wasn't smart and the NFL deserved better.

Now apparently he's in Goodell's pocket as well. Goodell is like Wilson Fisk from Daredevil comic books (The Netflix series is also nice), he has everyone under control, police, press, legal system. Bedard doesn't add anything to his reputation going to a clown show like Felger and Mazz, but at least he used to stick to his point, now he's just infected by the moroness and corrupt as well.

varjao said:

How things change, less than a year ago Bedard was on the clowns radio show completely destroying Goodell, saying he is a moron, he is a liar, said he was on the owners pockets, he wasn't smart and the NFL deserved better.

Now apparently he's in Goodell's pocket as well. Goodell is like Wilson Fisk from Daredevil comic books (The Netflix series is also nice), he has everyone under control, police, press, legal system. Bedard doesn't add anything to his reputation going to a clown show like Felger and Mazz, but at least he used to stick to his point, now he's just infected by the moroness and corrupt as well.

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In fairness to Bedard, he has always said that BOTH Goodell and the Patriots are untrustworthy. He slams Goodell in his MMQB for lying about how he had Ted Wells investigate the leaks after the AFCCG. Bedard is going overboard to create more than there is against the Patriots, but he isn't in the back pocket of Goodell either.

Bedard is very good at breaking down Xs and Os for a reporter. But he is out of his league in other areas.

FreeTedWilliams said:

The colts balls were measured just before the end of halftime! meaning that they were sitting in the 70 degree room for almost twenty minutes before the were tested, which, as we all know from science, will cause the gas to expand, and result in a higher PSI reading.

Every shred of evidence against the Pats can be refuted! Any decent lawyer would kill the NFL in court!

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But if you remove the two highest and lowest balls from each team's sample not a single Colt ball experienced any pressure drop. Pretty damning, no?

Bedard generally approves of this strategy.

varjao said:

How things change, less than a year ago Bedard was on the clowns radio show completely destroying Goodell, saying he is a moron, he is a liar, said he was on the owners pockets, he wasn't smart and the NFL deserved better.

Now apparently he's in Goodell's pocket as well. Goodell is like Wilson Fisk from Daredevil comic books (The Netflix series is also nice), he has everyone under control, police, press, legal system. Bedard doesn't add anything to his reputation going to a clown show like Felger and Mazz, but at least he used to stick to his point, now he's just infected by the moroness and corrupt as well.

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He does call out goodell too
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/24/memorial-day-nfl-veterans-tom-brady-deflategate/3/

“As I say, we’ve given all that to Ted. Ted’s had the opportunity to evaluate that.”

—Roger Goodell, when asked by CSNNE.com’s Tom E. Curran whether the league allowed Ted Wells to investigate the source of the initial leak to Bob Kravitz, or the report by ESPN’s Chris Mortensen that 11 of the 12 Patriots’ game balls “were inflated 2 pounds per square inch below what’s required.”

Sure, Roger. Sure. That’s up there with the, “I’m available to the media almost every day of my job,” line at the Super Bowl.

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thought on Brady speaking out: Brady spoke before the super bowl. he made his innocence clear then. not sure why people want him to stand up and repeat himself.......no, I know why......because those in media need something to write about. First the media, then goodell........they're both dying to hear from him, which automatically makes not speaking the smart choice. Fact is, the circumstances of the whole thing are so weak, why say anything? Only to people that WANT Brady to be guilty is saying nothing an admission of guilt

regarding the 'perfect client': goodell is going to drive his steamroller until someone stops him. at this point, the only thing that will stop him is a real courtroom......could not be more perfect for the NFLPA

regarding going the distance: Brady has no choice.....goodell has dug in and if there is any name clearing that is going to happen, it is going to have to go the distance

regarding the NFLPA: this is garbage.......as long as The Pats are paying the entire roster, why would they care which particular players get it? I would think the union would appreciate salaray being more spread out across the roster

"b. I know Peter has been pretty vocal about how the Patriots’ footballs barely fall out of the ideal gas law range, depending on which gauge the ref used. I look at it differently. Toss out the highest and lowest readings on both the Patriots’ and Colts’ footballs. The Patriots’ nine footballs lost an average of 11.2 percent and 8.3 percent of their initial PSI according to the two readings done. Colts’ two balls: 2.9 and 5.2 percent. It’s not a great sample size, obviously, but to me it’s a common sense way to say the science is a toss-up, leaving the texts and lack of cooperation, which I absolutely believe should be viewed in the negative column."

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. The Colts balls were measured after the Patriots balls. They even ran out of time measuring them. That means the balls would naturally have warmed up and have shown a higher psi relative to the Patriots footballs. This was even explained in the report. I'm so sick of these ******ed sports writers screwing up basic science to find the Patriots guilty.

Jlaff said:

It gets cold in GB right? Sooo... Did some balls possibly fall under pressure because of the cold, during a time at which the NHL had no clue balls lose pressure as the temperature drops?

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Maybe that is why Rodgers likes an overinflated ball. With the cold weather in Green bay maybe Rodgers noticed that the balls feel too soft to him, due to the IGL whether he was consciously aware or not, and wanted overinflated balls because those feel better during the game, again, once the cold weather has taken effect.

Brady hasn't "disappeared" he's doing what he always does during the off season. Plus we've seen him golfing with Michael Jordan and with his new dog etc. What he hasn't done is speak to the media about this mess which means nothing more than he's following his lawyer's advice.

Brady may not be an NFLPA favorite, but he is a NFLPA rep. How would it look if they didn't defend a rep. As for TB following through, he has shown himself to be a company guy but this is the first time the company has turned on him. His brand, his legacy is at stake. I hope he'll fight. His dad sure seemed like he wanted him too.

NashuaPats said:

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. The Colts balls were measured after the Patriots balls. They even ran out of time measuring them. That means the balls would naturally have warmed up and have shown a higher psi relative to the Patriots footballs. This was even explained in the report. I'm so sick of these ******ed sports writers screwing up basic science to find the Patriots guilty.

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I believe the nobel winning chemist stated as much in his contribution to wellsreportcontext.com

Also, Drew Fustin used Exponent's own graphs that measured pressure and temperature vs time to show that the length of halftime is enough time for Colts footballs to warm up back near room temperature.
drewfustin.com/deflategate