State of the message board.

My oinion is that it's the off season and this story is bigger than the taping thing. People want to vent and hopefully give different opinions. Some are way over the top, but that's to be expected the way things have gone.

As far as actual football news, there have been threads when there is football news. There just isn't much of it right now.

PatsWickedPissah said:

So fans should also adopt the "Thank you sir! May I have another?" submissive "Kick Me! AGAIN" posture like Kraft?

It worked so well for him so why don't we just quit like Kraft.

Then the players can realize that simply quitting under adversity is the new acceptable Patriot Way.

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I never said anything about thanking him, I said treating him disrespectfully, especially at Gillette, is a bad decision for Patriot fans, and if anything it will cause Patriot players to turn on their own fans. I haven't defended anything Kraft has done I simply feel that at a certain point Patriot fans will need to get past this and at a minimum be able to treat him respectfully. They don't have to cheer him or voice support for him, but screaming obscenities at him should be off the table.

Great post, Ivan. I'm so pissed at Kraft that I can't even imagine any Pats fan being civil to him. But extreme public displays of displeasure aren't going to accomplish anything in terms of how the team will do moving forward.

anditsgood said:

Emotions are still high, and us fans feel betrayed. There has been nothing to take away that sting. Hopefully Brady will be successful in the appeal and give us fan some hope and leverage with dealing with other fans

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Other fans? All i say is kiss the rings *****

Ivan said:

I never said anything about thanking him, I said treating him disrespectfully, especially at Gillette, is a bad decision for Patriot fans, and if anything it will cause Patriot players to turn on their own fans. I haven't defended anything Kraft has done I simply feel that at a certain point Patriot fans will need to get past this and at a minimum be able to treat him respectfully. They don't have to cheer him or voice support for him, but screaming obscenities at him should be off the table.

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So you speak for the players? You think they'll turn on their own fans? You honestly think they give a ****? That's laughable. As far as Kraft - those who want respect give respect and Kraft has shown he doesn't respect Patriot fans, Brady or Belichick (calling him a shmuck). By his actions however, he has shown he does respect Goodell, the NFL office, other teams fan bases, his good standing in the billionaire boys club and the almighty dollar. He deserves the disrespect until he rights the situation. Consequences for your actions.

Armchair Quarterback said:

So you speak for the players? You think they'll turn on their own fans? You honestly think they give a ****? That's laughable. As far as Kraft - those who want respect give respect and Kraft has shown he doesn't respect Patriot fans, Brady or Belichick (calling him a shmuck). By his actions however, he has shown he does respect Goodell, the NFL office, other teams fan bases, his good standing in the billionaire boys club and the almighty dollar. He deserves the disrespect until he rights the situation. Consequences for your actions.

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I never said I " speak for the players " I just think a scene where Patriot fans are viciously booing and screaming obscenities at Kraft at Gillette would be something most of them would find repulsive, and I believe their sympathies would lie with Kraft and turn them against the fans That's my opinion, period. If I were the one putting together Banner night festivities for the team I would have Kraft stay in the owners box and tell Goodell he is no longer welcome at Gillette. Then I would get players from every era, such as Gino Capelleti(sp), John Hannah, Ray Clayborn, Russ Francis, Grogan, Andre Tippet, Bledsoe, Moss, Faulk, Light etc and introduce them while running highlights of the team throughout the years and have Teddy Bruschi run the show, and when all is said and done introduce the greatest football player in NFL history, the GOAT, Tom Brady, and have him hit the switch to unfurl the banner while the scoreboard gets everyone chanting BRADY BRADY BRADY, and when he's running back to the sideline to start the game change it to WE WANT FIVE WE WANT FIVE WE WANT FIVE!


This team and it's fans needs to put aside the internal infighting over Kraft's mistake and rally against the 31, And the best way to do so is to rally around the franchise and make Gillette the nastiest home field advantage in football.

Hating Kraft and voicing that may make people feel better right now but it does nothing to help them going forward. Let's get it out of our systems and on to 2015.

There's a thousand ways to say f.ck you, but none is sweeter than winning it all.

Ivan said:

I never said I " speak for the players " I just think a scene where Patriot fans are viciously booing and screaming obscenities at Kraft at Gillette would be something most of them would find repulsive, and I believe their sympathies would lie with Kraft and turn them against the fans That's my opinion, period. If I were the one putting together Banner night festivities for the team I would have Kraft stay in the owners box and tell Goodell he is no longer welcome at Gillette. Then I would get players from every era, such as Gino Capelleti(sp), John Hannah, Ray Clayborn, Russ Francis, Grogan, Andre Tippet, Bledsoe, Moss, Faulk, Light etc and introduce them while running highlights of the team throughout the years and have Teddy Bruschi run the show, and when all is said and done introduce the greatest football player in NFL history, the GOAT, Tom Brady, and have him hit the switch to unfurl the banner while the scoreboard gets everyone chanting BRADY BRADY BRADY, and when he's running back to the sideline to start the game change it to WE WANT FIVE WE WANT FIVE WE WANT FIVE!


This team and it's fans needs to put aside the internal infighting over Kraft's mistake and rally against the 31, And the best way to do so is to rally around the franchise and make Gillette the nastiest home field advantage in football.

Hating Kraft and voicing that may make people feel better right now but it does nothing to help them going forward. Let's get it out of our systems and on to 2015.

There's a thousand ways to say f.ck you, but none is sweeter than winning it all.

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As I said before, if Brady is there and playing people will be focusing on the game not Kraft. However if Brady is not playing and Kraft is chumming around with Goodell in the owners box, I think the fans will be vociferously hostile. In either event the best policy for Kraft is to be inconspicuous and let Jonathan take the prominent role.

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eom said:

What starbux ad?

Are you on their network?

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The starbucks ad is at the top below that picture of Brady across from the current headlines.

Funny how the Kraft PR guys think they can flood the Internet and talk radio to tu4n things around. Like we are all supposed to think " hey this guy still likes Kraft, I guess I should too". **** off douchebags

Nobody should scream obscenities at Kraft or anyone.
Boos, yeah.
He earned them.

ensoul said:

Well first off I do think the webpage and message board is great. This is where the best pats fans post and the board I check several times a day for breaking news. I love reading this board.

However look at some of these topics over the past few days.

I hope Brady asks for a trade.
Great Grantland article on Kraft selling out Brady
Poll: Best nickname for Bob
Thanks Bob NFL.com Ranks Tom Brady NFL’s No. 5 Quarterback — With An Asterisk
Kraft has Broken Patsfans.
#NoKraftORnobanner
Kraft turning on Brady now too
Benedict Arnold was intelligent and successful too.....
Kraft will get boo'd while hoisting a banner
I hope Brady signs with the Buffalo Bills

That is only some of them. I understand people are upset that Kraft didn't want to get nuclear and sue the league and his fellow owners but some have lost their minds. These are the topics getting the most popular votes as well which at this point is the equivalent of being in a rock band playing a concern standing up on state yelling "No one rocks like the people of (current city name) People eat it up.

God forbid you stick up for Kraft or have a different view because the dislikes will rain down. I know it is the offseason and its slow but I this board has been rough the past week.

We are better than this and I cannot wait for the season to start so we can watch this franchise work toward getting ring #5.

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patsfaninpa said:

It's like parents who don't want to admit Little Johnny may have gotten in trouble at school. I say "may." There are prob 3-4 people who know what happened. And, none of them are posters or Ted Wells.

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Clown shoes

PatsWickedPissah said:

Nobody should scream obscenities at Kraft or anyone.
Boos, yeah.
He earned them.

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He's earned plenty of expletives, as well.

BradyFTW! said:

I think most people acknowledge that it's possible that the Pats broke the rules. What we also acknowledge is that the Wells Report didn't even come close to demonstrating that they probably broke the rules. If you're going to start throwing out 4 game suspensions and the largest punishment ever given to a team, you need more than a couple dumb texts between idiot friends. Especially when the actual ball pressure indicates that nothing illegal occurred.

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Glad I blocked this trolling young chap earlier.

Deus Irae said:

He's earned plenty of expletives, as well.

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Feck yeah he does, the feckin clock-sucking, ass-licking, bimbo-chasing, spineless d-bag traitor scum.

captain stone said:

Feck yeah he does, the feckin clock-sucking, ass-licking, bimbo-chasing, spineless d-bag traitor scum.

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OK - let's tone it down a little. I get people are mad but let's try and be the classier group before things start getting out of hand.

PATSNUTme said:

My oinion is that.............

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I don't really give a rat's ass about your onions Nut ... I don't.

Ian said:

OK - let's tone it down a little. I get people are mad but let's try and be the classier group before things start getting out of hand.

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Think he was trying to be ironic/clever but he failed miserably lol. Boom roasted!

PatsWickedPissah said:

While I find it hard to argue against the possibility that the Pats broke the rules, how did they do it in a way that by halftime the ball pressure conformed to the Ideal Gas Law?

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See, you are never going to achieve much in life if you insist on asking questions like these.

I will acknowledge that Kraft, as an owner, has done many things right for the Patriots and their evolution as a team. Start with preventing a move and acquiring the current head coach. His willingness to step back after Parcells and let the coach run the show was huge. Maybe it is this self-professed lifetime fan of the Pats stepping back from his defense of the team for the benefit of the NFL when he is the voice of the team against the NFL (for those here claiming fans should let Kraft off the hook and do a Kumbaya circle for the team, he was the best chance to bring some resolution to this issue because he has the vote in the NFL) that makes this sting as much as it does.

As for the prevalence of this subject, his actions took place in a dead zone of the season when there is little else. If you want to discuss a football topic, feel free to post a thread with the topic. I understand the desire to shut these numerous discussions down during the season, when there are actual events to discuss, but for now the player information seems to be directed at this topic as well.

Kraft was a point of pride here as well for a long time. How far he has fallen largely depends on how events unfold with Brady and the Patriots. But he is not the Patriots. He is the billionaire who owns the Patriots. If his actions out of apparent self-interest hurts the team, then I have no issue with fans lighting him up like a Christmas tree. I just wish for now he would keep his yap shut on this issue until he is prepared to provide an explanation that might cause the listener to reasonably conclude he acted out of something other than self-interest. If anything, his own ridiculous statements directed to the fans have gone a long way in drawing the ire he is now receiving. Until there is actual player news, I would expect that ire to continue.

Deflategate could be the biggest story in the history of this franchise and yet somehow it is not important?????