Did Bob Kraft throw Brady under the bus? I don't think so.

PATSNUTme · May 24, 2015

I've seen here and heard in the media that Kraft's deciding not to pursuing action against the NFL was throwing Brady under the bus.
http://wellsreportcontext.com/

In retrospect, I think the rebuttal of the Wells report served two purposes. First, had Kraft found support by some of the other owners to appeal he would use the stuff in the rebuttal for his appeal. But he did not find support by the owners, and knowing his contractual obligations as a franchise owner, he decided it was a losing battle.

But secondly, the information in the rebuttal does give Brady more ammo to use in his appeal of the suspension or bringing suit against the NFL if the suspension is vacated . I think Kraft knew this. Now you hear D. Smith citing some of the rebuttal info. You hear guys like Curran saying that Brady stands an excellent chance to win either in appeal or in court, using some of the info in the rebuttal.

So, even if I don't agree with Kraft's deciding to fold, I can understand why he did it. And, I think he spent all the time and money putting together the rebuttal to help out Brady in his appeal or suit.

Am I wrong?

reneluar · May 24, 2015

The appeal is irrelevant, he had little chance of success, the people is mad against him because he said Goodell was doing the best for the NFL and he loves the owners, almost said the fans who supported brady during the scandals are stupid.

Nonentity · May 24, 2015

It's the refusal to appeal against Vincent's decision that's incomprehensible.

I think we could all have understood if Kraft didn't want to sue the NFL. That would have been ok. After Goodell turned down the appeal, Kraft could have made a strong statement that we had done nothing wrong, but that the Patriots would now turn the page and look towards the 2015 season.

But instead we refused to admit any guilt, made statements suggesting that we'd appeal, published a 20,000 word comprehensive rebuttal of the Wells report....and then didn't even appeal.

It just makes no sense.

Fencer · May 24, 2015

Kraft was doing well in his support of Brady. It's his sudden surrender that infuriates people, not the fight he was showing before.

flasox27 · May 24, 2015

There are three parts to the Patriots success Belichick, Brady and Kraft. Kraft threw BB under the bus in 2007 and proved that in that case he was a dupe for trusting the POS commissioner. This time Kraft when they came for the team and Brady, he was all bravado talk and the assumption was by the fan base that he had learned his lesson and would not be duped again. Well guess what happened ,he caved again and threw the team and Brady under the bus . That is unforgivable since the whole fan base except for the Kraft knows Goodell is a biased POS and appeasing him only sets the stage for the next act. As the saying goes, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me and the fans are not going to be fooled by the pudgy Putz again

Ivan · May 24, 2015

PATSNUTme said:
I've seen here and heard in the media that Kraft's deciding not to pursuing action against the NFL was throwing Brady under the bus.
http://wellsreportcontext.com/

In retrospect, I think the rebuttal of the Wells report served two purposes. First, had Kraft found support by some of the other owners to appeal he would use the stuff in the rebuttal for his appeal. But he did not find support by the owners, and knowing his contractual obligations as a franchise owner, he decided it was a losing battle.

But secondly, the information in the rebuttal does give Brady more ammo to use in his appeal of the suspension or bringing suit against the NFL if the suspension is vacated . I think Kraft knew this. Now you hear D. Smith citing some of the rebuttal info. You hear guys like Curran saying that Brady stands an excellent chance to win either in appeal or in court, using some of the info in the rebuttal.

So, even if I don't agree with Kraft's deciding to fold, I can understand why he did it. And, I think the spent all the time and money putting together the rebuttal to help out Brady in his appeal or suit.

Am I wrong?

Nope, you're right, the Wells Report In Context absolutely provides Brady with considerable ammunition to go after the league in court, but it doesn't give him any for his appeal unless Goodell reverses course and recuses himself, because Goodell will simply do what Pollian did the other day to Merloni and stick his fingers in his ears and go NANANANNANANANANANANANA. NANANANA I CANT HEAR YOU NANANANANANA STOP TALKING NANANANANA and keep doing so until Brady or a Kessler stop citing facts, because he does not want to hear facts only the forced confession they need him to sign before they finish covering his reputation in tar and lighting him on fire.

If it does go to an actual neutral arbitrator then it will be very useful as it will when this ends up in court.

It was the fans and reputation of the franchise Kraft threw under the bus in his v desperate attempt to regain BFFL status with the 31 and Herr Goodell.

Patstopia · May 24, 2015

It all came down to two different things for Kraft. Either he;

A) Dropped his appeal and allowed the league ruling to stand unchallenged. Or
B) Appeal continue the fight and stick with his team and players.

With the option A decision Kraft decided that the support of the Owners was a prerequisite for the team. He decided that somehow appealing would make him a pariah amongst the rest of the owners.

I may be wrong but other owners including Jones have appealed and sued the league and are still major owners in the league. So how would Kraft doing it be different?

You fight the fights that need to be fought. Not the ones that your sure you can win. Kraft left us the day he decided it wasn't worth the fight! He would rather be called a cheater. So be it...

PatsFan98117 · May 24, 2015

When the sleigh is heavy
And the timber wolves are getting bold,
You look at your companions
And test the water of their friendship with your toe.

They significantly edge
Closer to the gold.
Each man has his price, Bob
And yours was pretty low.

-Roger Waters, Too Much Rope

PatsWickedPissah · May 24, 2015

You are wrong. KrFt had no contractual obligation to other owners to not appeal. Not sue yes but appeal was the reasonable choice. He chose the 3- making Brady look guilty outside of NE. Kraft sucks

patsfaninpa · May 24, 2015

Patstopia said:
A) Dropped his appeal and allowed the league ruling to stand unchallenged.

Just maybe. The person whom he talked to that was going to hear his appeal, told him he was going to uphold the punishment. He'd have to sue the league and throw out the powers him and the other 31 owners voted to give said person.

eom · May 24, 2015

I agree with all mods

sieglo · May 24, 2015

Whether or not he threw Beady under the bus, he CERTAINLY threw the fans under.

rochrist · May 24, 2015

Patstopia said:
It all came down to two different things for Kraft. Either he;

A) Dropped his appeal and allowed the league ruling to stand unchallenged. Or
B) Appeal continue the fight and stick with his team and players.

With the option A decision Kraft decided that the support of the Owners was a prerequisite for the team. He decided that somehow appealing would make him a pariah amongst the rest of the owners.

I may be wrong but other owners including Jones have appealed and sued the league and are still major owners in the league. So how would Kraft doing it be different?

You fight the fights that need to be fought. Not the ones that your sure you can win. Kraft left us the day he decided it wasn't worth the fight! He would rather be called a cheater. So be it...

Just out of curiousity, when did Jones sue the league?

I see where the league sued HIM, but not the reverse.

BradyFTW! · May 24, 2015

PATSNUTme said:
I've seen here and heard in the media that Kraft's deciding not to pursuing action against the NFL was throwing Brady under the bus.
http://wellsreportcontext.com/

In retrospect, I think the rebuttal of the Wells report served two purposes. First, had Kraft found support by some of the other owners to appeal he would use the stuff in the rebuttal for his appeal. But he did not find support by the owners, and knowing his contractual obligations as a franchise owner, he decided it was a losing battle.

But secondly, the information in the rebuttal does give Brady more ammo to use in his appeal of the suspension or bringing suit against the NFL if the suspension is vacated . I think Kraft knew this. Now you hear D. Smith citing some of the rebuttal info. You hear guys like Curran saying that Brady stands an excellent chance to win either in appeal or in court, using some of the info in the rebuttal.

So, even if I don't agree with Kraft's deciding to fold, I can understand why he did it. And, I think the spent all the time and money putting together the rebuttal to help out Brady in his appeal or suit.

Am I wrong?

I could get on board with this way of thinking if Kraft had just filed the appeal. If you believe a punishment is unjust and/or unwarranted, you appeal it. Even if you're not going to win, you appeal it anyway.

Jlaff · May 24, 2015

patsfaninpa said:
Just maybe. The person whom he talked to that was going to hear his appeal, told him he was going to uphold the punishment. He'd have to sue the league and throw out the powers him and the other 31 owners voted to give said person.

In the words of the late Andrew Breitbart - "So?"

PATSNUTme · May 24, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
You are wrong. KrFt had no contractual obligation to other owners to not appeal. Not sue yes but appeal was the reasonable choice. He chose the 3- making Brady look guilty outside of NE. Kraft sucks

Does it really matter how people outside of NE look at things. If this were the Jets or the Colts or Giants, is there anything that would change your opinion that they are cheaters? I know that I would never let facts get in the way of my hate.

RayClay · May 24, 2015

I agree with your point, but I think the main reason Kraft didn't appeal was, the appeal process is fixed, he's an owner, not a player, therefore has no support in an appeal and would have to sue.

If Brady and the NFLPAtear the league a new one, which is likely, getting out of the way is better, IMO, than having a simultaneous quixotic appeal to the dictator, distracting from the NFLPA. He's not a player, not an owner, just out there with the only option to try to sue and take the league down.

If, however, he gets out of the way, and the NFLPA fights the salary cap, antitrust exemption or God knows what, and the fuhrer responds in his usual incompetent overeacting way, someone's going to have to negotiate with the NFLPA for us to have uninterrupted football.

Which owner has successfully negotiated with the NFLPA before when the chief farthead failed again?

Patstopia · May 24, 2015

patsfaninpa said:
Just maybe. The person whom he talked to that was going to hear his appeal, told him he was going to uphold the punishment. He'd have to sue the league and throw out the powers him and the other 31 owners voted to give said person.

So you are saying that Goodell, while sitting on a coach with Kraft. Informed him that no matter what evidence was brought to an appeals hearing. That as the person hearing the appeal, he had already decided that the punishment would be upheld?

And Kraft, who sat there and listened to an employee of league tell him he would circumvent league rules that apply to the appeals structure without a thought to whether there was a misjudgement?

And then Kraft decided, "Oh well, guess I'll just give up"? That is your opinion of what Kraft did? And you state it like it is a valid opinion? Or for that matter, a valid response if it were the actually truth?

woolster22 · May 24, 2015

patsfaninpa said:
Just maybe. The person whom he talked to that was going to hear his appeal, told him he was going to uphold the punishment. He'd have to sue the league and throw out the powers him and the other 31 owners voted to give said person.

No. Not even close. All he had to do was quietly appeal to Goodell, and not make any statement after. Then he let's Brady and his lawyers rip the Wells report, and the front office apart in court. After they have been thoroughly admonished, strike through the press, hard.

Instead, booster seat let his appeal period pass, while making yet another statement supporting Roger responsibility Dodger. He also kisses the ass of the "old, old money" owners, speaking euphorically of the day he walked in one of them, 21 years ago. He then asks us to trust his judgement as "a fan."

Then, to make things even better, he shoots his mouth off while he watches Larry King wreck his call girl.

Clonamery · May 24, 2015

RayClay said:
I agree with your point, but I think the main reason Kraft didn't appeal was, the appeal process is fixed, he's an owner, not a player, therefore has no support in an appeal and would have to sue.

If Brady and the NFLPAtear the league a new one, which is likely, getting out of the way is better, IMO, than having a simultaneous quixotic appeal to the dictator, distracting from the NFLPA. He's not a player, not an owner, just out there with the only option to try to sue and take the league down.

If, however, he gets out of the way, and the NFLPA fights the salary cap, antitrust exemption or God knows what, and the fuhrer responds in his usual incompetent overeacting way, someone's going to have to negotiate with the NFLPA for us to have uninterrupted football.

Which owner has successfully negotiated with the NFLPA before when the chief farthead failed again?

I don't know. If Kraft is so Machiavellian-like then how did his franchise get blind-sided once again by this commissioner/league office? Is he too busy dating?

C'mon. It's about the money. Brady can take of himself based on the evidence. Goodell whispered sweet dollar signs in his ear at the birthday party and he swooned and hugged his guiding light.

Brady can take care of himself based on the evidence.

He didn't get out of the way, he ran for the golden ring of the 32.

It's his product and if he hadn't sold us a pile of doing, I would not care.

Oh, and it's all about the fans. Ha ha.

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