The not discussed penalty

Bad Company · May 24, 2015

I haven't seen this discussed, but if the Pats obtain another number one pick, the team loses the higher of the two picks. So the league adds to the penalty by interfering with the ability to conduct normal operations.

Fencer · May 24, 2015

Bad Company said:
I haven't seen this discussed, but if the Pats obtain another number one pick, the team loses the higher of the two picks. So the league adds to the penalty by interfering with the ability to conduct normal operations.

Right. The Pats don't have a first rounder and would be silly to do anything to replace it.

DarrylS · May 24, 2015

Bad Company said:
I haven't seen this discussed, but if the Pats obtain another number one pick, the team loses the higher of the two picks. So the league adds to the penalty by interfering with the ability to conduct normal operations.

How would they obtain another 1st round pick... right now their first pick is at #64, how to they go from there to a 1st round pick.

neuronet · May 24, 2015

DarrylS said:
How would they obtain another 1st round pick... right now their first pick is at #64, how to they go from there to a 1st round pick.

? We don't know when they will pick in 2016, and they could make a trade for a pick (or they could offer future picks, though that would be out of character for them).

BelichickFan · May 24, 2015

DarrylS said:
How would they obtain another 1st round pick... right now their first pick is at #64, how to they go from there to a 1st round pick.

I think the league was scared Garapolo would look good during the suspension and we'd end u with a really good pick for him. So just to make sure that couldn't happen, this poison pill goes in. Or even, dare I say it, Brady being traded.

Bottom line, if they force Garapolo in, they can't have us getting a nice #1 out of the suspension.

patsfaninpa · May 24, 2015

DarrylS said:
How would they obtain another 1st round pick... right now their first pick is at #64, how to they go from there to a 1st round pick.

We traded these guys for firsts; Bledsoe, Branch and Seymour. After this season, Chandler Jones will have one year left. Say, we're happy with Sheard and the two picks; Grissom and Flowers. We think he wants too much on a long-term deal. He has a year left. What if Garropolo shines and a team in Top 15 loves him? There should be no bleepin restriction on what we get for him.

The Gr8est · May 24, 2015

Can you imagine if the Pats end up with a very low 1st round pick low 20s to high 30s, and then during day one of the draft the Pats trade for #18.

I assume the NFL would immediate confiscate it. If Brady is exhonerated and the Wells report destroyed, it would almost be worth it to allow the people watching the draft to see how petty and vindictive this whole punishment was.

Make no mistake about it, the loss of the 1st round pick to try and bring the Pats back to the pack is probably the most important punishment the NFL wanted to levy on the Pats.

JJC · May 24, 2015

Or trade for the first pick in the second round. That would effectively be the 32nd pick, which is what they'd have after winning another championship.

Armchair Quarterback · May 24, 2015

Bad Company said:
I haven't seen this discussed, but if the Pats obtain another number one pick, the team loses the higher of the two picks. So the league adds to the penalty by interfering with the ability to conduct normal operations.

Complete BS, shows how petty and vindictive those clowns are. If the penalty on the trumped up charge is their 1st rounder, than that should be their penalty. To say that they essentially can't acquire another one is ridiculous.

DarrylS · May 24, 2015

patsfaninpa said:
We traded these guys for firsts; Bledsoe, Branch and Seymour. After this season, Chandler Jones will have one year left. Say, we're happy with Sheard and the two picks; Grissom and Flowers. We think he wants too much on a long-term deal. He has a year left. What if Garropolo shines and a team in Top 15 loves him? There should be no bleepin restriction on what we get for him.

That is a lot of speculation and what might happen...

RobertWeathers · May 24, 2015

The Gr8est said:
Can you imagine if the Pats end up with a very low 1st round pick low 20s to high 30s, and then during day one of the draft the Pats trade for #18.

I assume the NFL would immediate confiscate it. If Brady is exhonerated and the Wells report destroyed, it would almost be worth it to allow the people watching the draft to see how petty and vindictive this whole punishment was.

Make no mistake about it, the loss of the 1st round pick to try and bring the Pats back to the pack is probably the most important punishment the NFL wanted to levy on the Pats.

Right. What if they after the 2015 season decide to <gulp> trade Brady and he fetches a mid round selection.

The league's penalty has way too all -encompassing.

reneluar · May 24, 2015

Pats are getting talent in the 4th round, maybe the next year NFL will ban the pats from the 4th round and will change the compensatory pick formula, PARITY!!!

patsfaninpa · May 24, 2015

reneluar said:
Pats are getting talent in the 4th round, maybe the next year NFL will ban the pats from the 4th round and will change the compensatory pick formula, PARITY!!!

They did take our 4th in 2017.

scout · May 24, 2015

Armchair Quarterback said:
Complete BS, shows how petty and vindictive those clowns are. If the penalty on the trumped up charge is their 1st rounder, than that should be their penalty. To say that they essentially can't acquire another one is ridiculous.

This is the first I heard about this ruling. WTF? First thought I had was the Patriots might trade for a first rounder. What if Garapolo puts on a show (could happen) and a team drafting one or two wants him. We can't make that trade or we lose the pick?
Any other team gets caught (didn't even have smoking gun) with the psi issue, does not get the penalty the Patriots received.
Ok, "FU". Time to sign the beast (free agent)!

Ross12 · May 24, 2015

Not a big deal ultimately... Bill trades out of the 1st all the time anyway. I would think that if Bill traded Jones or Garoppolo he would just trade for a package of picks to get around the punishment - something like a second, third, fourth and a future second, instead of a first.

scout · May 24, 2015

Ross12 said:
Not a big deal ultimately... Bill trades out of the 1st all the time anyway. I would think that if Bill traded Jones or Garoppolo he would just trade for a package of picks to get around the punishment - something like a second, third, fourth and a future second, instead of a first.

Yea, BB will strategically choose the best option. Whenever Bill trades out of the first round he gets "more" picks. This was the commissioner's "I'll show you whose boss". I'll put my money on Bill.

Ross12 · May 24, 2015

scout said:
Yea, BB will strategically choose the best option. Whenever Bill trades out of the first round he gets "more" picks. This was the commissioner's "I'll show you whose boss". I'll put my money on Bill.

Right, Bill frequently trades his first away for several lower picks, what's to say he wouldn't just trade for those several lower picks to begin with?

ctpatsfan77 · May 24, 2015

I remember reading somewhere that someone asked about trading for Garoppolo, and was told he's one of those players that isn't available.

JMC00 · May 24, 2015

Bad Company said:
I haven't seen this discussed, but if the Pats obtain another number one pick, the team loses the higher of the two picks. So the league adds to the penalty by interfering with the ability to conduct normal operations.

Nope.

In 2008 Pats had the #7 & #31 pick. The #31 pick was the one that was taken away.

YOUGOTMOSSED · May 24, 2015

It's the NFL torpedoing the Patriots under the 1/2 baked pretext of "deflategate."

I'm very unconvinced that the Patriots ever cheated but I'm 100% certain that the NFL is.

Eff the NFL*

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