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I'm going to try to respond to 4 quotes, from my phone, please excuse any incoherent babbling.


Well, now we know the answer to the poll about Booster Seat Bob's PR team reading the forum.

Are you kidding me? Why not go through the motions and appeal to goodell, you know, like SD did after the stickum incident? At least that way, when (assuming goody sticks to his guns re brady), this whole thing is turned on its head he still has legal action to take regarding the picks.

The complete capitulation is unforgivable.
Wellsreportcontext.com
The Peter King article.
Then 10 minutes with "31," and **** my organization's integrity, **** my 15 yr vet, arguably GOAT QB, and **** my fans. While I'm at it, I'm going to make up and hug it out with THE ONE PERSON in charge of the office that smeared my multiBILLION dollar franchise, and cave to "his best interest."
Kraft's decision to "reluctantly accept" anything is ****. That coward should have shown the "31" how he clawed his way into their club by laughing in their faces. Unfortunately he did not realize what every mouth breathing dolt did during the Ray Rice fiasco, so he backed up the sewer of a front office. That is most likely what was thrown in his face last week. Nothing less, nothing more.





Appeal to commish as is his right. When NFL F/O and Wells report is evicerated by Brady n Co, go on the offensive.



Guess what, that **** doesn't matter. He chooses to pay players based on "what have you done for me lately," (granted, not him directly) and the fan base will judge him accordingly. Let's say Brady decided to run backwards towards the goal line and drop the ball for an easy defensive touchdown late in a 2pt game, do you think Kraft would be ok with that? That is exactly what Bend Over Bob did. All he had to do was quietly appeal, if the NFL F/O wanted to leak and counter leak the decision (like today re goody hearing the appeal), that's their ****ing problem. From there he has legal standing to challenge gooodell based on the facts that seem evident if you can read and understand basic hs physics.



By passing up the process, he lacks an Avenue to retrieve the picks after the Brady ruling. Let's say goody recinds the suspension, and goes for 50k for non compliance. Pats still on the hook for the picks, with no legal recourse, even though it was ruled the one person who would have known of wrong doing was unaware of any scheme.

The fact he decided to forego his appeal is simply despicable. Goody announced the four cities in contention for a SB the next few years yesterday, if he is still employed next year look for NE to "be in contention" the year after LA.

If there was a deal, it was never for Brady, it would have been for some money making boon for kraft.

(I did edit to fix some blatant errors, hopefully it's coherent enough now).


Great response except I am not anybody's PR firm. You can go back and look at my previous posts to see that. I have agreed with pretty much agreed with you and everyone else about what he should have done and how he has effected the fans. The problem to me is that he has blown it twice and both times is when we needed him to stand his ground but he can't because he doesn't have it in him but with those two things aside he has been a great owner. Does that mean I'm buying a jersey tomorrow? No. Does that mean I going to run up and give him a big hug. Nope. I am just saying that I cannot forget what he has done over the last 20 years as an owner.

Another thing is why is the wells in context website still up? If he was such an ass kiss wouldn't have that come down by now? Just a thought.

Anyways you bring up good points.
 
Great response except I am not anybody's PR firm. You can go back and look at my previous posts to see that. I have agreed with pretty much agreed with you and everyone else about what he should have done and how he has effected the fans. The problem to me is that he has blown it twice and both times is when we needed him to stand his ground but he can't because he doesn't have it in him but with those two things aside he has been a great owner. Does that mean I'm buying a jersey tomorrow? No. Does that mean I going to run up and give him a big hug. Nope. I am just saying that I cannot forget what he has done over the last 20 years as an owner.

Another thing is why is the wells in context website still up? If he was such an ass kiss wouldn't have that come down by now? Just a thought.

Anyways you bring up good points.

Kraft's being a "great owner" has, strangely enough, coincided with the 2001 season.
 
Well, looks like it's cooled down a little bit. Had you posted this a few days ago you would've been shredded. ;)


Haha Yeah that was what I expected. One thing is clear though and that is Kraft's legacy is severely tarnished and rightfully so. I see him as weak others see him as a traitor. But man that announcement was painful to watch.
 
Kraft's being a "great owner" has, strangely enough, coincided with the 2001 season.


Yes that is very true. But prior to Bill he was clearly trying to build a winning team. He hired Parcells etc....And after he got BB he gave him a lot of control. Anyways the point being he did a lot to try to build a winning team.

Edit: Orthwein hired Parcells. Thanks to Deus Irae for that.
 
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Yes that is very true. But prior to Bill he was clearly trying to build a winning team. He hired Parcells etc....And after he got BB he gave him a lot of control. Anyways the point being he did a lot to try to build a winning team.


Prior to Bill, Kraft needlessly drove Parcells (an Orthwein hire) away, and he allowed for backside end-arounds to Grier during the Carroll tenure. He, basically, screwed up everything except the finances (and it's not exactly surprising that he'd get that right). Finally deciding to stop meddling on the football side of things, combined with the ascension of Tom Brady, is the reason people consider Kraft a "Great owner".
 
Yes that is very true. But prior to Bill he was clearly trying to build a winning team. He hired Parcells etc....And after he got BB he gave him a lot of control. Anyways the point being he did a lot to try to build a winning team.
He inherited Parcells then basically chased away because of power over personnel decisions. He then brought the incompetent Bobby Grier which took a Superbowl quality team down to 8-8 in three years despite have two extra first round picks. He then hired BB which was dependent on the death of Leon Hess and the acquisition by Woody Johnson of the team. If Hess did not die, there is a strong likelihood that the Jets woould have the Lombardis not the Pats.
 
Yes that is very true. But prior to Bill he was clearly trying to build a winning team. He hired Parcells etc....And after he got BB he gave him a lot of control. Anyways the point being he did a lot to try to build a winning team.

Actually, Orthwein was responsible for hiring Parcells. Kraft stepped in, and he and Parcells never got along with each other. They were mistakes Kraft made -- alienating Parcells was one of them.
 
Prior to Bill, Kraft needlessly drove Parcells (an Orthwein hire) away, and he allowed for backside end-arounds to Grier during the Carroll tenure. He, basically, screwed up everything except the finances (and it's not exactly surprising that he'd get that right). Finally deciding to stop meddling on the football side of things, combined with the ascension of Tom Brady, is the reason people consider Kraft a "Great owner".


Forgot that Parcells was an Orthwein hire. Good point.
 
For years, I imagined Kraft as a fan of the team and not just another bullsh*t businessman owner. It looks like I was wrong about that.

I clearly don't have access to what goes on in these NFL owners meeting or have a full understanding of his odd relationship with Goodell. From what I see, he enjoys being in this NFL owners club and all the perks that come with it- from his his young girlfriend to partying with Jay-Z and Beyonce. So much so that he's willing to sacrifice the team and the fans to keep the party going.

I also suspect that the Patriots era is the NFL's last hurrah. With the concussion litigation, the sleazy/juvenile direction the NFL office is taking, and the harsh economic realities this country is facing, I'd be surprised if the NFL lasts more than another 10 years.
 
Obviously my original opinion was flawed. I didn't want to completely throw a guy out onto the street for simply being weak but after reading many counter points to that sentiment it is clear that it was much more than just being weak. Anyways thanks for the feedback. I honestly cannot comprehend that announcement. What else is there to say?
 
To be fair to Kraft, he did grow as an owner. He's let Belichick do his own thing, more or less, after being far too much of a meddler before that, and he didn't overrule BB on the Bledsoe/Brady switch. But, if we're going to be honest about Kraft as an owner, we need to see that his perceived greatness consists mostly of (usually) minding his own business with regards to football decisions. That's a big thing, don't get me wrong, but when he's stepped into non-'administrative' matters, the results have certainly not been great.
 
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Appeal to commish as is his right. When NFL F/O and Wells report is evicerated by Brady n Co, go on the offensive....

Sure, he could have done that, and I would have preferred it, I just don't think that an appeal with Goodell at the helm gets anywhere -- that's why I said no realistic options, rather than no options.
 
Sorry, I still feel this is the lowest point in our franchise history. It is a betrayal of the basic dedication that the fans feel for the team. All the years of caring and support for the team were completely diminished by his refusal to fight. Sometimes you can't win. The opponent is too powerful and you have no chance. The early days (decades) of our team showed that was true. But, you fight because it's your job, you fight because of your pride. If you cave, fear wins and you are a loser.
When you are right and the opponent is wrong, you must fight even if you can't win, because not fighting is allowing a basic wrong to go unchallenged. In fighting and losing, there is a dignity that cowards never will know. Kraft made his decision and his shame will be his legacy, not the Championships won, not the winning seasons. Shame will follow him to the grave and beyond.

I'll take our 4th Super Bowl win along with this sham of a investigation over the pre-SB 2-14 and 1-15 seasons.

I feel bad for anybody who feels personally betrayed or now has less interest in the team, though.
 
Actually, Orthwein was responsible for hiring Parcells. Kraft stepped in, and he and Parcells never got along with each other. They were mistakes Kraft made -- alienating Parcells was one of them.
Because Parcells had nothing to do with it. Even he admits he made mistakes in the relationship.
 
Kraft only cares about 3 things. 1. Being one of the gang of 32. 2.Money 3. Playing around with his little girl toy.
 
I think it stems mostly from the fact that Kraft presented himself as "one of us". A true and loyal fan of the New England Patriots. the fact is he's just a businessman and while he has given us this gift, it was earned through the hard work of the people he employs.

so he started the ball rolling, but the torch has been taken by the likes of BB and the team of coached BB put together. and the players that gave everything when they played. True, Kraft has an excellent eye for coaching talent (Parcells, Carroll - in hindsight, BB) and this has allowed the team to sustain excellence (particularly under BB).

But, Kraft is no longer a fan. He isn't one of us. I'm sure he hurts because of all of the accusations and the way it's viewed. But, he is the one who made the choice. Can we root for the Pats, yeah I'd say you can. But, I doubt true fans will hold Kraft in the same regards as the coaches or players. He's NOT ONE of US anymore (perhaps never was).
 
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