What if Brady folds?

RobertWeathers · May 22, 2015

Seems

AndyJohnson said:
Patriots had 5
Giants had 5 after a losing season
Dallas had 5 after a 8-8- season
Pitt had 5 after an 8-8 season
The Bears had 5 after an 8-8 season

Those are just the ones I checked.
5 is not a lot.

Seems like the most and amongst the most powerful owners.

RobertWeathers · May 22, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
So the answer is to rape and pillage one owner and team and force him to take it like a man, with no benefit to the league, and thenforce him to take it is the way you prevent fractured ownership? How about you just treat everyone fairly. You seriously are trying to say that Kraft would be wrong to not allow his team to get screwed because other teams enjoy screwing him? Please stop me here and explain how unjustly punishing the Patriots is good for the league.

Why would you want to part of a group of 32 when 31 tell you that the best thing for them is for you to get screwed when their is nothing for them to gain by it?

You are making that up. You don't know. Goldberg wrote a compelling argument that was the first salvo. Goodell came right out and said he looked forward to Brady adding informaiton, giving clarity and showing where the Wells report got it wrong. He wants Brady to do it, but Kraft would have been Charlie Manson if he did?
Your entire argument fails because you are defending something indefensible (in the way you are defending it)
If your argument was that Kraft determined that the success of the Patriots, their legacy,and the claim that they are honest and worthy champions meant less to Kraft than making sure the league keeps making more and more money so he can line his pockets then you have the starting point of what could be a convincing argument.
The only part about best for Patriots is with respect to the bottom line.

That's is what I have said in other posts.

Bob did not want to take the league or the other 31 owners to the mattresses and to court. By caving, he felt that the Pats bottom line would still remain healthy. Its that simple.

flasox27 · May 22, 2015

robertweathers said:
That's is what I have said in other posts.

Bob did not want to take the league or the other 31 owners to the mattresses and to court. By caving, he felt that the Pats bottom line would still remain healthy. Its that simple.

Then all he needed to say is that I am doing this for the money. He didn't need to insult our intelligence by saying he is doing it for the fans

PatsWickedPissah · May 22, 2015

Kraft: "After careful consideration of the bottom line and maximizing potential future revenues for Kraft Inc. I have decided that defending the reputation of our QB and the NEP team is simply not worth the possible loss of money. I know that fans cannot appreciate this but in the years since buying the team I have developed an insatiable appetite for acquiring more wealth and have come to realize that I have little in common with the fans and prefer to socialize with billionaires and celebrities."

Froob · May 22, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Patriots had 5
Giants had 5 after a losing season
Dallas had 5 after a 8-8- season
Pitt had 5 after an 8-8 season
The Bears had 5 after an 8-8 season

Those are just the ones I checked.
5 is not a lot.

I'm pretty sure 5 is the max.

PatsFanInVa · May 22, 2015

You are all correct. I fear we will never again win the Vince Lombardi trophy for Best Reputation.

Oh wait, that's right...

RobertWeathers · May 22, 2015

flasox27 said:
Then all he needed to say is that I am doing this for the money. He didn't need to insult our intelligence by saying he is doing it for the fans

I agree but you know he cant say that publicly. By ensuring that the train rolls on and the 2015 season isn't distracted by appeals, media leaks , court appearances, etc that would not resolve anything to his satisfaction, he did do it for the fans.

Bob is banking on winning curing all that ailes us. Time will tell. He has an upset fan base. I've been following this team since the early 80s and Bob is at Billy Sullivan/Victor Kiam levels on the hate-the-owner meter.

PatsWickedPissah · May 22, 2015

What if Brady folds?
You mean the guy who was overlooked by his college team time and again with always another QB chosen to start over him?
The guy drafted 199th who succeeded despite a $100 million contract just given to the starting SB vet QB?
The guy who came back from a season ending ACL injury?
The guy who won 4 SBs?
The guy who came back not once but twice from 14 points down in the playoffs?
The guy who set the SB record, down 10 in the 4th QTR being put on his ass by a strong pass rush D scored 14 points?

vs a guy who EVERY SINGLE time the league said Jump! replied How high?

The OP must be VERY confused.

flasox27 · May 22, 2015

robertweathers said:
I agree but you know he cant say that publicly. By ensuring that the train rolls on and the 2015 season isn't distracted by appeals, media leaks , court appearances, etc that would not resolve anything to his satisfaction, he did do it for the fans.

Bob is banking on winning curing all that ailes us. Time will tell. He has an upset fan base. I've been following this team since the early 80s and Bob is at Billy Sullivan/Victor Kiam levels on the hate-the-owner meter.

If he can't say the truth then he should have said nothing. The fact that he riled the base and then capitulated in the most disgusting display is what the fans are most angry about.

RobertWeathers · May 22, 2015

flasox27 said:
If he can't say the truth then he should have said nothing. The fact that he riled the base and then capitulated in the most disgusting display is what the fans are most angry about.

I agree. I feel let down too. There was an assumption that Bob was going to declare war on Goody but obviously all that he was doing was getting on record his displeasure with Goody and testing the waters of public opinion and the owners for their reaction to deflate gate context. Clearly it wasn't enough to turn him into William Wallace but instead made him Gordon Gekko.

He made a shrewd business decision that made sense to the bottom line but not to people who see the Pats as more than just entertainment.

sieglo · May 22, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
The OP must be VERY confused.

Wouldn't be the first time.

I think there's a reasonable probability that the NFL comes back and eliminates or reduces Brady's suspension. I wouldn't want him to accept that. My hope is that Brady wouldn't settle for anything less a complete and public exoneration by the NFL -- that or go to court.

skinnydog · May 23, 2015

robertweathers said:
I agree. I feel let down too. There was an assumption that Bob was going to declare war on Goody but obviously all that he was doing was getting on record his displeasure with Goody and testing the waters of public opinion and the owners for their reaction to deflate gate context. Clearly it wasn't enough to turn him into William Wallace but instead made him Gordon Gekko.

He made a shrewd business decision that made sense to the bottom line but not to people who see the Pats as more than just entertainment.

Yes, the magical shrewdness accepting the mantle of cheater and allowing that to taint all of your success. Business schools should develop courses on how this shrewd move of losing valuable draft picks and being branded a cheater will guarantee success. The brilliance of it all is blinding.

RobertWeathers · May 23, 2015

skinnydog said:
Yes, the magical shrewdness accepting the mantle of cheater and allowing that to taint all of your success. Business schools should develop courses on how this shrewd move of losing valuable draft picks and being branded a cheater will guarantee success. The brilliance of it all is blinding.

Good use of sarcasm.

You would agree if Bob thought his bottom line would take a hit, his reaction to this whole situation would be quite different.

The casual fan has felt that this team has been a cheater since 2007 and is #2 in total revenues and valuation.

Sometimes the black hat fits.

skinnydog · May 23, 2015

robertweathers said:
Good use of sarcasm.

You would agree if Bob thought his bottom line would take a hit, his reaction to this whole situation would be quite different.

The casual fan has felt that this team has been a cheater since 2007 and is #2 in total revenues and valuation.

Sometimes the black hat fits.

Uh, Bendover Bob made it very clear that he was putting the interests of the other 31 teams ahead of his own.

RobertWeathers · May 23, 2015

skinnydog said:
Uh, Bendover Bob made it very clear that he was putting the interests of the other 31 teams ahead of his own.

The other 31 and their relationships with him impact his revenues so yes.

Bobsyouruncle · May 23, 2015

robertweathers said:
The other 31 and their relationships with him impact his revenues so yes.

How so?

He's out a million now being their pet. Are the owners going to vote to remove revenue sharing? Then he makes more money. Are they going to vote that the Patriots can't make money? They can't do that. Are they going to go negotiate the TV contract for less money to screw Bob? They won't do that. Plenty of owners have appealed and they didn't lose money or collapse the NFL.

RobertWeathers · May 23, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
How so?

He's out a million now being their pet. Are the owners going to vote to remove revenue sharing? Then he makes more money. Are they going to vote that the Patriots can't make money? They can't do that. Are they going to go negotiate the TV contract for less money to screw Bob? They won't do that. Plenty of owners have appealed and they didn't lose money or collapse the NFL.

Divided ownership weakens negotiations with other businesses. Beyond revenue sharing the NFL has its hands in a lot of pies. Bob wants to make sure he continues to get a taste. It is a good ole boys network to say the least.

PatsWickedPissah · May 23, 2015

Wrong
The league needs Kraft
Look at the TV deals and the CBA
Bob is simply gutless

Bobsyouruncle · May 23, 2015

robertweathers said:
Divided ownership weakens negotiations with other businesses. Beyond revenue sharing the NFL has its hands in a lot of pies. Bob wants to make sure he continues to get a taste. It is a good ole boys network to say the least.

I'm looking for something less vague. Im not accepting your assertion on faith, especially given how many people have appealed without any negative consequences to the NFL or themselves.

RobertWeathers · May 23, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
I'm looking for something less vague. Im not accepting your assertion on faith, especially given how many people have appealed without any negative consequences to the NFL or themselves.

Your choice. It's basic business negotiations and leverage.

I also think you may be underestimating how devicive this issue is, how serious the NFL has taken it and how polarizing our team is.

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