What happens if the pats continue to win?

DefenseRules said:

If they continue to win it will be without Brady. I don't think he will play another down of football in this league.
He now has a "*" next to his name.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...reigns-among-top-10-qbs-tom-brady-takes-a-hit

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Never in my life have I seen any league do anything like this on their official page.

VectorPrime said:

Next will come accusations that the Patriots are screwing with a teams wireless communication. Guaranteed that's coming down at some point because it is so easy to report about some technical difficulty and pretend its suspicious. And the accusation will stick. It's not a guess, that is what will happen sooner or later. There's already been grumblings about it.

Also there are already people who believe that Brady's helmet communication is illegally set up based on an offhand comment by Doug Flutie. That will come up again I'm sure.

The box is opened.

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The box is also opened not just for accusations against the Patriots, but everyone. Don't be surprised for teams to start setting up their own "sting" operations to bust each other. Give it time and they will start turning on each other. The "32" are most certainly an egotistical group that overestimates their own self-importance in the world.

RIP#40 said:

Good name? They may not have 100% proof but anybody that doesn't think TB12 was complicit in this is a blind homer. Please tell me what TB meant when he told Jas that McNally must be under great stress in getting " them" done. The punishment is 100x what it should be but I have zero doubt that TB knew and was involved. You people that think that nothing happened please explain why there are any texts concerning deflating balls. If they weren't doing anything there would be zero texts. If someone told a woman that her husband was cheating on her and she asked her husband to see his phone and he said no and then she got ahold of his best friends phone and saw texts that referred to her husband meeting the woman somewhere, done.Guilty. If anything TB12_owes an apology to RK. Still a fan of TB but disappointed just like I was with Lance Armstrong. Not that the offenses are comparable in any way.

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I will accept that there is always a possibility that Brady may have violated rules, but also accept the junior detective skills you are exhibiting to conclude as you do doesn't make you a visionary or wise. It simply makes you the worst type of "must have committed the offense" juror on criminal trials. The 'homers' here are assuming a man who has never been sanctioned for violating NFL rules in 15 years did not do it now. Until the evidence shows otherwise, there is no reason to accept that he did.

"Complicit in this"? Complicit in what? Softer footballs, or footballs deliberately inflated below NFL limits? You do not know Brady's relationship to the individuals texting, unless you were there. Imagining you 'know' how individuals may or may not communicate, without ever meeting them, makes you rather naive.

And if you know anything about Pat Tillman, a man I think the world of for his principles and a true hero, accept the irony that you are swallowing an official report when Tillman's life and death carry the story of official reports designed to twist the truth for PR reasons. And no, I am not comparing circumstances of a football player with a hero's death. It is a lesson in the perils of biased, official reports offered to serve an improper goal when readers accept them as gospel. If you are going to proudly present his picture in your posts, which I think is great, try to learn that simple lesson from his life before you criticize others here because you believe yourself to be in the know simply by reading a report. It is apparent you are not doing that if your sole basis is what is in that report, often offering little context or explanation about the 'evidence' offered.

fair catch fryar said:

The box is also opened not just for accusations against the Patriots, but everyone. Don't be surprised for teams to start setting up their own "sting" operations to bust each other. Give it time and they will start turning on each other. The "32" are most certainly an egotistical group that overestimates their own self-importance in the world.

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This would be true if the NFL was a 32 team league.

In reality, it's the Patriots and the 31 clown cars running around pretending they have achieved enough to pretend they are rivals to the Patriots.

What do the Steelers, Jets, Broncos, Ravens, Colts all have in common?

They think they are our rivals.

What the league needs to start realizing is the Patriots have been carrying this sorry ass league for the past 15 years.

As for the OP, I actually could care less if the NFL passed a rule to take 1st round picks after a certain degree of success should a team demonstrate a certain level of proficiency over a number of years. The salary cap and draft order do just that. It is honest (a form of handicapping), and designed to level the field. Doing it in an underhanded way and smearing teams and individuals in the process makes the NFL look like a farce and a circus.

The Pats will always be targets as long as they continue to succeed. 4 games without Brady will make it more interesting, but it is often the gap between 1st and 2nd in the Pats division (not an accident in my opinion). I think you will see more of these scandals and sanctions. Next time it will be shoes or gloves, or wireless equipment. Don't care. Makes the wins more enjoyable when the other NFL fans cry when the team dragging the boulder is still winning the race against them.

RIP#40 said:

Good name? They may not have 100% proof but anybody that doesn't think TB12 was complicit in this is a blind homer. Please tell me what TB meant when he told Jas that McNally must be under great stress in getting " them" done. The punishment is 100x what it should be but I have zero doubt that TB knew and was involved. You people that think that nothing happened please explain why there are any texts concerning deflating balls. If they weren't doing anything there would be zero texts. If someone told a woman that her husband was cheating on her and she asked her husband to see his phone and he said no and then she got ahold of his best friends phone and saw texts that referred to her husband meeting the woman somewhere, done.Guilty. If anything TB12_owes an apology to RK. Still a fan of TB but disappointed just like I was with Lance Armstrong. Not that the offenses are comparable in any way.

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It is simple per TB12 himself it had to do with the fact that they had to prepare FOOTBALLS FOR THE SUPERBOWL WHICH WAS NOT 2Xs BUT 3Xs THE NUMBER OF BALLS NEEDED FOR AN ORDINARY GAME. YEAH I THINK THAT QUALIFIES AS ADDED STRESS!!!!
Your zero doubt is based on suspicion, not facts and it would surprise if you ever read the entire Wells report or did any research beyond your MERE SUSPICIONS which while good enough for you and your accusations is not good enough to slander the BEST QB TO EVER PLAY THE GAME.
If you are so quick to Slander TB12 with mere suspicions maybe you should find a fan base equal to your level of competence and veracity.

SeanBruschi54 said:

Never in my life have I seen any league do anything like this on their official page.

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Do not give up so quickly my friend TB12 will not only be back he will be on FIRE. Disrespect is his fuel and winning is his solace. YE HAW GO PATS

patsfaninpa said:

None of us know what happened. My only problem with that theory is that Brady doesn't know what type of ball he is getting in the most important game of the year. He approves the ball. Hopes, The Deflator takes just enough pressure out to make it right. Seems like he's relying a lot more on the deflator than he should.

Just a theory. But, I believe we routinely turn in balls under 12.5 Let's say 12.1 or 12.2. Hope the ref that day just approves them. What happens when the refs put air in them? We know TB12 was really pissed after the NYJ game. Rightfully, so. Does McNally just try to take air out if the ref puts some in? Would TB12 even know that? Or, is The Deflator just trying to win approval from someone whom he idolizes??
He doesn't want to hear it after the game if the balls are too high.

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Wow! TB12 routinely brakes the rules. i would expect to have to deal with this kind of crap if i were on any other fan sight. But here on PatsFan.com it is stomach turning. Tell me the difference between your take on this based on mere suspicions and without any facts and ESPN's take on this total bag job.

Seriously if you feel that way how is it possible to call yourself a fan. Fans at least require some proof not merely BS suspicion of wrong doing. I find this most distressing attitude coming from this board.

If a member of this board with over 2000 posts has a theory that TB12 is a perpetual cheater i may need to find another board were facts, Truth and sanity reign. YOU SHOULD APPLY FOR A JOB AT ESPN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE RIGHT CRITICAL THINKING TRAITS TO QUALIFY.

I have no doubt from what I have read and seen that the NFL want the Indianapolis Colts and Andrew Luck to be the face of the NFL for the next decade. Everything will be tailored to facilitate the Colts attempts to win multiple Superbowls.

Wait and see.

Turning a ball in below 12.5 isn't breaking the rules. It's how you like the ball. The only rule that can be broken is we tamper with the ball after they are ok'd. TB12 didn't have access to the approved footballs. If it was done, would have to be the deflator. You have to admit, it's a possibility he may have done something. Even if taken back to 12.5 after ok'd.

DefenseRules said:

If they continue to win it will be without Brady. I don't think he will play another down of football in this league.
He now has a "*" next to his name.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...reigns-among-top-10-qbs-tom-brady-takes-a-hit

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Huh? So you think an asterisk is enough to knock TB12 out of football? I think he is much tougher than that.

vyrago said:

Huh? So you think an asterisk is enough to knock TB12 out of football? I think he is much tougher than that.

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And you got that ranking from F*n Bucky Brooks!

fair catch fryar said:

The box is also opened not just for accusations against the Patriots, but everyone. Don't be surprised for teams to start setting up their own "sting" operations to bust each other. Give it time and they will start turning on each other. The "32" are most certainly an egotistical group that overestimates their own self-importance in the world.

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The Colts pulled this one off. Who else do they need to take down?

The only good thing coming out of this saga is the Patriots coming out next season, playing pissed off 'us against the world' mode. I smell 19-0 season

patsfaninpa said:

TB12 didn't have access to the approved footballs. If it was done, would have to be the deflator. You have to admit, it's a possibility he may have done something. Even if taken back to 12.5 after ok'd.

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The data, using the gauge the ref says he used, shows 2 footballs slightly underinflated, two slightly overinflated, and 7 normal.

Why would he deflate two footballs only, by a nearly imperceptible amount that is in fact less than the error bars for the gauge itself, and apparently inflate two other footballs, by a nearly imperceptible amount that is in fact less than the error bars for the gauge itself?

He wouldn't. He didn't. It makes no sense unless you abandon the facts.

Gwedd said:

Yeah, and haters gotta hate. If you really believe what just dribbled down your chin, you should head over to some other board where they appreciate trolls like you. Gang Green comes to mind. You'll fit right in.

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Right....because believing the NFL is doing everything they can to marginalize the Patriots is completely ridiculous and should result in my banishment to the land of morons (ie: Gang Green Ville)

In retrospect I think this should make everyone appreciate even more what this team has achieved under Belichick and Brady.

Though this might be the most obvious sting job the league has perpetrated against the Patriots, we can be sure that the league has been working to counter the Brady/Belichick tandem since way back in the early 2000's when they stopped being an underdog and became a juggernaut.

Take extra pride in what the team have achieved in this era against bigger odds than anyone might imagine.

patsfaninpa said:

I believe you meant to say. "What happens when the Pats continue to win?" We will laugh that a few tenths of a pct of PSI is about as important as the halftime show in the outcome of a football game.

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I bet you think that Janet Jackson nip slip was an "accident."

CHEATRIOTS!

Sirrously...

When the Patriots continue to win, the NFL* will continue to dredge up obscure rules nobody cared about, everybody is breaking b/c nobody cares about them or are trained in them, etc. The NFL* will continue to especially focus on the Patriots off the field and the Patriots will continue to win on the field.

This time the League* even admitted that the infraction wasn't proven, had no effect on the game, and that they couldn't show club knowledge or involvement. They even had to hedge their language in a claim that any player knew about it, and lost in all this -- nobody cared prior to the Colts thinking they can just fling poop and have it stick. And truth be told, the Colts were right... the NFL* will take any complaint against the Pats "very seriously."

But what else happens?

In the cameragate thing, there was close to zero "hold on a minute there" in the sports media, and the average sports fan, with very few exceptions, was in lockstep with the media and the League*

In the defamegate thing, there is a fair amount of "the charge is ridiculous," "they really didn't prove it," and especially "the penalty is excessive... just another example of Goodell handing out random punishments." There's a lot of average fans speculating that the Pats are the scapegoat for the Goodell Reign of Error from Rice/Peterson to Saints to their CTE mess to having officials give games to teams because they have a labor dispute with the refs.

I'm hearing - from non-Pats sources - much more anti-League* reaction than in cameragate.

Let's assign example numbers to reactions to the NFL*'s actions against the Pats
Cameragate...+5
Defamegate....+2
Next................ ____

Complete the series. I think people might be figuring out the trend-line here. They'll all still say "yeahhhh those Pats are shady I dunnooooo..." And let 'em. But the League* is playing with fire at this point, if you ask me.

RIP#40 said:

Good name? They may not have 100% proof but anybody that doesn't think TB12 was complicit in this is a blind homer. Please tell me what TB meant when he told Jas that McNally must be under great stress in getting " them" done.

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You're making two assumptions. That "he" is Brady, and that "them" is footballs. This is what happens when you come with preconceived notions. They said this text reference was about selling tickets and he was about a family member. They confirmed with the family member.

RIP#40 said:

The punishment is 100x what it should be but I have zero doubt that TB knew and was involved. You people that think that nothing happened please explain why there are any texts concerning deflating balls. If they weren't doing anything there would be zero texts.

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There are zero texts concerning deflating footballs below the minimum. Not that it matters, because these guys deflate footballs, it's when that's the issue. There's texts about using needles, taking the refs the rule book and complaining about a 16psi ball. There are also zero texts from Brady to either JJ or McNally before the accusation.

RIP#40 said:

If someone told a woman that her husband was cheating on her and she asked her husband to see his phone and he said no and then she got ahold of his best friends phone and saw texts that referred to her husband meeting the woman somewhere, done.Guilty. If anything TB12_owes an apology to RK. Still a fan of TB but disappointed just like I was with Lance Armstrong. Not that the offenses are comparable in any way.

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If she believed her husband is cheating and then she got ahold of the woman's phone and found ZERO calls or texts to her husband prior to the accusation it would look like she was wrong except to the most blind person with an agenda. If the woman then searched the phone and interpreted every "he" to mean her husband than she's probably a lunatic.