What if Brady folds?

skinnydog said:

I'm curious about this type of comment because I've seen it a lot. I wish someone would tell me what that cost might have been. As it is now the NEP have the largest penalty in NFL history and are forevermore branded as cheaters. And the owner decided not to defend the integrity and honor of his team but to side with his pals in the Billionaire Boys club over his players and fans. So exactly what would have been worse? Worse for the other owners perhaps, but worse for the Pats? How?

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The NFL office hates the Pats. We know that. The bias is ridiculous. I think their issue is with BB- not Bob.

If Bob put the target on his back and pissed off the rest of the owners, the Pats lose with them as well.

robertweathers said:

The NFL office hates the Pats. We know that. The bias is ridiculous. I think their issue is with BB- not Bob.

If Bob put the target on his back and pissed off the rest of the owners, the Pats lose with them as well.

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Well what else could they lose?? They are branded as cheaters forever, and have received 2 of the 3 largest penalties ever issued. The other owners hate the Pats for their success. So I don't see where the downside was and in fact I see that the downside all rested with the NFL and other owners, but rollover Bob blinked and got all nostalgic when he met with his best buds at the Ritz. The penalty to the team for basically refusing to produce McNally for a 5th interview was immense and to any non-senile person it was so far over the top that the only rational choice was to go all scorched earth, but he would have hurt the feelings of his friends so no go I guess.

There is nothing to lose by appealing. I'd lose respect. But It'd not change my opinion about the football player : GOAT.

skinnydog said:

Well what else could they lose?? They are branded as cheaters forever, and have received 2 of the 3 largest penalties ever issued. The other owners hate the Pats for their success. So I don't see where the downside was and in fact I see that the downside all rested with the NFL and other owners, but rollover Bob blinked and got all nostalgic when he met with his best buds at the Ritz. The penalty to the team for basically refusing to produce McNally for a 5th interview was immense and to any non-senile person it was so far over the top that the only rational choice was to go all scorched earth, but he would have hurt the feelings of his friends so no go I guess.

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The negative downside is that the other owners vote Bob off his posts as chairman of the various committees that he chairs which impacts his teams revenue which in turn impacts the ability to sign players.

patsfaninpa said:

Do you think it's unrealistic to think TB12 has asked JJ to get it under 12.5 if possible? I fhink it's plausible. I also don't think it's cheating. They allow the qb's to do whatever the hell they want to make the ball as easy as possible for them to throw. A few tenths of PSI is about as important in the grand scheme of a football game as the halftime show.

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Then why do it? Turn the balls in under pressure and hope you sneak them by but don't deflate them after they have been inspected.

Twentytothree said:

Not sure why this got 3 "disagree" ratings. I would have a hard time assuming anything else, if Brady just said "never mind" and took the 4 game suspension. I wouldn't even mind so much if he admitted to asking for the pressure to be adjusted - so what? In NFL terms, that shouldn't even deserve a jaywalking fine.

What would piss me off if he folded with an insulting, rubbish statement like Kraft's. Don't think that's going to happen, but who knows.

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For the older people on this board. Remember taking the SAT's? Use a #2 yellow pencil. Cheating on the SAT's would be sneaking in a calculator or having a few formulas written under your sleeve. What I think Brady did was equal to using a #3 pencil instead of a # 2.

robertweathers said:

The negative downside is that the other owners vote Bob off his posts as chairman of the various committees that he chairs which impacts his teams revenue which in turn impacts the ability to sign players.

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Can you expand on that? Like, if Kraft is on the broadcast committee, he gets a slightly bigger share in his team/league profits as a sort of stipend?

Jlaff said:

Can you expand on that? Like, if Kraft is on the broadcast committee, he gets a slightly bigger share in his team/league profits as a sort of stipend?

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Not quite, Bob chairs the broadcast committee. He negotiates the TV deal. That represents a big chunk of change that NFL teams all share equally. He has the expertise in this area. If the deal stinks, the league get less money. If the league receives less money, each team receives less money. Seeing that the Pats typically shy away from big bonus/guaranteed money ype deals, that means even less. With that said, the other 31 suffer as well.

I believe the Pats would spend less if the tv deal went down. My theory..

RIP#40 said:

For the older people on this board. Remember taking the SAT's? Use a #2 yellow pencil. Cheating on the SAT's would be sneaking in a calculator or having a few formulas written under your sleeve. What I think Brady did was equal to using a #3 pencil instead of a # 2.

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No, what Brady did is equal to using a #2 pencil. The evidence directly from Exponent and Walt Anderson exonerated Brady or anyone else from ever tampering with the balls! For some reason or another Wells decided to use the much less likely probability and state it as fact!! He is simply a liar for wording the report like this.

If I were to measure a teams footballs with a broken gauge that always measures 5psi but could measure Patriots footballs with a working gauge would I be able to label all teams except the Patriots as cheaters? Of course not, but that is essentially what Wells did.

If Brady folds, the New England Patriots play the Pittsburgh Steelers in our first game.
If Brady wins, the New England Patriots play the Pittsburgh Steelers in our first game.

I love me some TFB, but I'm a fan of the Patriots. I see we now have a link on the main page to some story about "Trouble Brewing Between Brady, Patriots?" Feh. I'll believe it when I see it.

Right now Brady has every bit of my support. Kraft disappointed me, but the Pats have 100% of my support too. "What if" doesn't have a damn thing to do with it for me. We've had a target on the jersey for a long time. Okay.

The one casualty of the situation that would be unacceptable to me is making me choose b/w TFB and the Pats. If this ends up being the eventual outcome, that's when I'd feel punched in the gut.

As of right now, I've "worked through" this latest saga. Not thrilled to lose a #1 in 16 and a #4 in 17. Would rather start TFB in Week 1 than Week 5. I've learned to live with it: The NFL is bent on taking down the Pats, b/c you're not supposed to hog trophies like that anymore. I'm sure they're also not fond of perfectly legal ways we beat other teams within the rules... see the *****ing and whining about the "checking in ineligible" issue.

That was BB making everybody freak the f*** out as much as anything. When you're the "focus" of the other teams' collective emotional reaction, a coach like BB can use that against them.

Say it with me children: We have to beat the other team, the cheatin'-ass refs, and the league every game... at this point in the bootstrapping process, if someone wears the wrong socks we lose multiple draft picks.

"What if Brady loses his appeal" or "What if Brady drops his appeal" has no effect on me, other than a possible happy surprise for 4 games next fall. Guys are saying "IF" Brady wins it "THEN" the Pats are vindicated AND therefore somehow Goodell is beat-down, possibly resulting in his removal from the commish's office.... and I say, feh.

Believe it when I see it.

Whoever's behind center, I'm on to Pittsburgh.

I do not see Brady folding, he has too much personal pride to let this slip by..

He may not fare very well before Robert "conflict of interest" Goodell, but will prevail if he goes to court.

This may have far reaching ramifications for all of the NFL and how is handles discipline, as due process applies to everyone.... even if you are in the NFL.. even though the NFLPA agreed to the process, does not mean it is constitutional.

robertweathers said:

The negative downside is that the other owners vote Bob off his posts as chairman of the various committees that he chairs which impacts his teams revenue which in turn impacts the ability to sign players.

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Really? First, all of his so-called power hasn't really helped when it counted here has it. The NEP were punished harsher on less evidence than any team I can think of. And how has the revenue poured in uniquely to the NEP due to Krafts committee positions?

skinnydog said:

Really? First, all of his so-called power hasn't really helped when it counted here has it. The NEP were punished harsher on less evidence than any team I can think of. And how has the revenue poured in uniquely to the NEP due to Krafts committee positions?

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Prime time game slots. CBS Scene, etc.

robertweathers said:

The negative downside is that the other owners vote Bob off his posts as chairman of the various committees that he chairs which impacts his teams revenue which in turn impacts the ability to sign players.

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Why would it impact the ability to sign players? Every team, regardless of income has more than enough money to sign and pay players. Besides that, it isn't like the Patriots are spending all of their money.

robertweathers said:

Prime time game slots. CBS Scene, etc.

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I think you confuse winning with Krafts standing on the committees. They get those games because there is a national audience for them, the Patriots win.

Also, I would prefer less prime time games, I hate night games.

honestly, it would be easiest for me to move on if brady did indeed cheat.........

first I don't care about cheating.........because everyone does it


second, this is still a 'get the pats' situation.....going from warning the panthers to the penalties the pats got?

the world is unfair, guys......

skinnydog said:

Well what else could they lose?? They are branded as cheaters forever, and have received 2 of the 3 largest penalties ever issued. The other owners hate the Pats for their success. So I don't see where the downside was and in fact I see that the downside all rested with the NFL and other owners, but rollover Bob blinked and got all nostalgic when he met with his best buds at the Ritz. The penalty to the team for basically refusing to produce McNally for a 5th interview was immense and to any non-senile person it was so far over the top that the only rational choice was to go all scorched earth, but he would have hurt the feelings of his friends so no go I guess.

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To me receiving the two largest Penalties in League history and being branded as cheaters is a sign of the ultimate RESPECT our enemies have for us. It says to me that all the LOSERS out their are saying in their hearts we can't beat your team on the field because of all those cameras, the eye witnesses and those pesky rules.
So we will attempt to beat you in the court of public opinion were talent, strategy and will to win have no bearing.
The court of public opinion is all about, lies, liars and wannabes who could not hold TB12s jock. It plays to a mob mentality which is stirred by blind emotion, noise and hysteria.
I am firmly convinced that sooner or later the TRUTH will emerge from the blind emotional smoke generated to obscure it. Emotion requires a constant input of new energy and because of this it is impossible to maintain long term. As the smoke settles what will emerge is the TRUTH and the TRUTH will vindicate TB12. YE HAW GO Pats

I'm really hoping that Goodell's ego gets in the way of Brady's appeal. The smart thing for Goodell to do is to hear the appeal, realize once and for all he has no basis for levying any type of penalty against Brady, and rescind the penalty. But that requires swallowing one's pride. So then Brady and his legal team will get to bring this to an outside court (and to a neutral judge/arbiter) and expose the corrupt, stinking morass that encompasses the League Office and subject them to humiliation for a failed, trumped up, bogus charge and lie-filled investigation. At this point, the other owners will have to do their best to convince Goodell to rescind the penalty or there will be a lot of embarrassment to the NFL. As a lot of you have correctly pointed out, this is probably why the ridiculous penalty was meted out to the Patriots team, so they could salvage something out of their multi-million dollar boondoggle of a farce investigation. But even if the courts do shred the NFL over their bogus report and unethical behavior towards the Patriots team, the language of the CBA of all rulings against a team being final, then the league doesn't have to take back their BS penalties.

Nunchucks said:

Why would it impact the ability to sign players? Every team, regardless of income has more than enough money to sign and pay players. Besides that, it isn't like the Patriots are spending all of their money.

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Cash on hand influences the amount of signing bonuses doled out.

Nunchucks said:

I think you confuse winning with Krafts standing on the committees. They get those games because there is a national audience for them, the Patriots win.

Also, I would prefer less prime time games, I hate night games.

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I think that they are mutually exclusive.