I now Know how to start a Lynch Mob

Crazy Patriot Guy · May 21, 2015

I have two wonderful parents that taught me how to be a good man. I'm thankful to both of them.

If later today my father decided to beat my mother unconscious, it doesn't change my wonderful childhood or mean he never taught me how to be a good man, but that wouldn't change the fact that I'd never speak to him again.

Some things you don't forgive, no matter what happened before. What is so hard to understand about that?

Deus Irae · May 21, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
I'm posting in this thread only to say that I really wish we'd lose the talk about "lynch mobs." That paints the discussion with a brush that is unfair to most posters here and that can be regarded as objectively offensive.

As for the rest, the OP is entitled to his opinion. I disagree with him for reasons I have stated often in other threads. Saying anything more than that would just encourage him.

I know that I would never take part in a lynch mob. I much prefer the notion of using tar and feathers.

RI Patriots fan · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
98% of poster here would lynch (figuratively speaking I hope) Mr. Kraft because of his decision not to appeal.

I wondered how such an overwhelming majority came to be, considering all the good this man has done for
the Patriots and the National Football League. I believe it has to do with the lynch mob mentality.

How to start a Lynch Mob:
1. Find something that evokes a highly charged emotional perception of injustice.
2. Find someone to blame
3. Have a nucleus of war drum beaters that dislike that person for whatever reason
who will stir up the crowd with highly charged words against that person.
( doesn't matter if those words are true or not just as long as they are possibly true)
4. Add the anonymity ingredient of the crowd. (on the internet that's an automatic)
5 . Rely on the mob mentality( join a group because they are mostly likely right) to grow the mob.

This is the only reason I can find for so much hate against Mr. Kraft because No One here knows
all the facts and possible repercussions of pursuing an appeal or even a court action. No One.
Yet people here say all kinds of reasons why he should have at least appealed, therefore he is guilty and
should be hanged (figuratively).

I now know how dangerous and frightening the Mob Mentality can be.
Mr. Kraft I for one in a small minority give you the trust you asked for and deserve.
If I am wrong to do so then that's on your conscious but I believe you are trying to do the right thing.

So JR4.......I'm guessing you didn't like the results from your little poll, did ya?

PatsFanSince74 · May 21, 2015

Deus Irae said:
I know that I would never take part in a lynch mob. I much prefer the notion of using tar and feathers.

Yes, a bit messy, but nothing tortuous and nothing that can't be undone.

JR4 · May 21, 2015

Crazy Patriot Guy said:
I have two wonderful parents that taught me how to be a good man. I'm thankful to both of them.

If later today my father decided to beat my mother unconscious, it doesn't change my wonderful childhood or mean he never taught me how to be a good man, but that wouldn't change the fact that I'd never speak to him again.

Some things you don't forgive, no matter what happened before. What is so hard to understand about that?

But you wouldn't condemn your Father for the unconscionable act without knowing he did such a thing.
If I knew Mr. Kraft made his decision based on his desire to make more money I'd be right in there with
you guys. But I don't and No one here knows all the thoughts he had while making this decision. I know
the man though the years has done and supported anything that was best for the Patriots. That's has
to count for something.

JR4 · May 21, 2015

RI Patriots fan said:
So JR4.......I'm guessing you didn't like the results from your little poll, did ya?

Actually I expected more of the 400+ fans of this website to respond. But it did serve a purpose.
It got me thinking why so many could condemn without knowing all the things that led Mr. Kraft
to make his decision. Result ... this thread.

RI Patriots fan · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
Actually I expected more of the 400+ fans of this website to respond. But it did serve a purpose.
It got me thinking why so many could condemn without knowing all the things that led Mr. Kraft
to make his decision. Result ... this thread.

Yes, I'm sure that's the reason you set up that poll......to get you to "think". Obviously, it wasn't successful in that regard either.

Wax Frog · May 21, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
Yes, a bit messy, but nothing tortuous and nothing that can't be undone.

Plus there'd be the bonus of hearing ol' Baaahgdad Bob squeak

Wax Frog · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
But you wouldn't condemn your Father for the unconscionable act without knowing he did such a thing.
If I knew Mr. Kraft made his decision based on his desire to make more money I'd be right in there with
you guys. But I don't and No one here knows all the thoughts he had while making this decision. I know
the man though the years has done and supported anything that was best for the Patriots. That's has
to count for something.

I may not know what the man was thinking, but I stick with what I posted elsewhere - what ever happened to the notion of always doing the right thing, even if it were in the face of certain failure?

Ring 6 · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
But you wouldn't condemn your Father for the unconscionable act without knowing he did such a thing.
If I knew Mr. Kraft made his decision based on his desire to make more money I'd be right in there with
you guys. But I don't and No one here knows all the thoughts he had while making this decision. I know
the man though the years has done and supported anything that was best for the Patriots. That's has
to count for something.

What difference does it make what motivation he had to stab his fans and Tom Brady in the back, he did it.

If you are so supportive of Kraft why do you insist that he was lying about his reasons in the press conference?

BradyFTW! · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
Actually I expected more of the 400+ fans of this website to respond. But it did serve a purpose.
It got me thinking why so many could condemn without knowing all the things that led Mr. Kraft
to make his decision. Result ... this thread.

This is the literal definition of moving the goalposts.

Mack Herron · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
I know
the man though the years has done and supported anything that was best for the Patriots.

How did you come to acquire this special knowledge of Kraft's motivation? Have you considered any alternative explanations? Are you interested in any?

JR4 · May 21, 2015

RI Patriots fan said:
Yes, I'm sure that's the reason you set up that poll......to get you to "think". Obviously, it wasn't successful in that regard either.

That was not the reason for the poll but the side effect was to get me ask myself why such a big majority against Mr. Kraft. Instead of saying "it did serve a purpose" I should have worded that "it did get me thinking" which is what I meant.

JR4 · May 21, 2015

Wax Frog said:
I may not know what the man was thinking, but I stick with what I posted elsewhere - what ever happened to the notion of always doing the right thing, even if it were in the face of certain failure?

But my point is you can not judge "the right thing" unless you had all the input he had. As Johnny Five would say "need more input".

Wax Frog · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
But my point is you can not judge "the right thing" unless you had all the input he had. As Johnny Five would say "need more input".

Unless his family was being held under threat of being killed, or something else of that magnitude, I can see no upside to settling matters by going the unconditional surrender route for a crime that, as far as I can tell, was not committed, nor for swallowing the equivalent of the death penalty for jaywalking.

Fencer · May 21, 2015

chasa said:
Kraft cares more about the 31 other teams in the league, then about his own.

Exactly.

We're seeing plenty of arguments in the press as to why he probably wouldn't have succeeded in getting the penalties changed, and I find them credible. "All" he could have accomplished is influencing public perception ...

... and he didn't care enough to do that. Shame on him. Shame, shame on him.

JR4 · May 21, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
What difference does it make what motivation he had to stab his fans and Tom Brady in the back, he did it.

If you are so supportive of Kraft why do you insist that he was lying about his reasons in the press conference?

wow, now that's some twisting of words. Mr. Kraft did not detail all the thoughts that went into this decision.
The reasons he stated were summations of hours and hours and hours of legal and management discussions, of talking with league officials and finally getting no where and realizing repercussions said he was tired of all the rhetoric.
(rhetoric definition : language that is intended to influence people and that may not be honest or reasonable)

Deus Irae · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
Actually I expected more of the 400+ fans of this website to respond. But it did serve a purpose.

It made you look like a fool. If that was the purpose, mission accomplished!

Bombdog · May 21, 2015

hey JR4 what's that on your chin. You might want to wipe it off

Ring 6 · May 21, 2015

JR4 said:
wow, now that's some twisting of words. Mr. Kraft did not detail all the thoughts that went into this decision.

Yes he did.
Patriots fans believe in the teams innocence, but just as many other fans don't.
It has gone on too long.
I want to end the rhetoric.
What is best for one team should never outweigh what is best for the 32.

Those are his reasons. You just want to think he was disingenuous because somehow that is defending him in your mind.

The reasons he stated were summations of hours and hours and hours of legal and management discussions, of talking with league officials and finally getting no where and realizing repercussions said he was tired of all the rhetoric.

You do not know that. The league DENIED that there were back door channel negotiations.
Krafts interview with King was AFTER he met with Goodell.

(rhetoric definition : language that is intended to influence people and that may not be honest or reasonable)

So you are saying the Patriots are guilty and thats why Kraft did his swan dive?

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