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Forgive me, but this forum is acting like a spoiled child these last couple of days.

We are fans of the greatest franchise in the last 2 decades, 4 rings, 6 superbowls. Envy is guaranteed, no matter what happens to the team, the rest of the public will try to bring us down while we are in the midst of our run. Legacies gain their popularity and favorability when they are gone, not before, not during. We've heard it from the beginning and it only gets worse the more you win.

Belichick will go down as the best, Brady will go down as the best, this dynasty will go down as the best. How often do you hear about the tuck rule today? Barely, if at all. Spygate has mostly died down as well. Sure a jackal here and there will accuse the team of cheating and bring it up, but by and large, the media still acknowledge the Patriots as the one of the absolute best.

No matter what the true intentions of the NFL are with their over-the-top treatment of the Patriots, be-it parity, or facade, or imagery, or ignorance, or giving other fanbases hope, or whatever, Kraft has never done anything that would suggest he does not care about his organization. No matter how much you don't like it, he is indeed only 1/32 (3.125 %) and he doesn't have nearly as much power over the NFL as you wish he did. 31 other teams also only care about their own franchises, and there is no way they are going to give a **** or support a cause when the best-of-the-best gets a little flack thrown at them. You can tell he cared as he spoke emotionally several times about this, but ultimately he simply had to analyze the entire situation and decide on the best course of action. He is a smart man, he is surrounded by smart people, he made the right decision for the franchise.

He cannot sue the NFL, he would never win, and there would be a far better chance of getting himself ousted and be forced to sell the team before he would achieve any good for the Patriots in any way. The path that you demand is simply not a good path, it may appease your irrational emotions in the moment, but it would damage the Patriots on and off the field. If you would rather that Kraft lose his team than put up with a little BS that doesn't impact your livelihood in any way, well it says a whole lot more about you than it does Kraft.

Beyond that, whether they agree or disagree, on a case-by-case basis, with the decisions of the commissioner, so long as that commissioner can show that he is growing the league, as long as the NFL brand grows in popularity and profitability, he will be supported by the business owners. There are no teams without the NFL, there is no BB without the NFL, there is no Brady without the NFL, they are all part of the NFL, and ultimately they all need the NFL more than the NFL needs any one of them. That's the harsh reality.

And remember, the loss of picks only further cements this dynasty and the legacy of the greatest coach and QB that will ever live.

Brady will not miss a game, the NFLPA will win that easily. The picks hurt but they can be overcome, just consider it the same as a freak injury to lose a player. The narrative of deflategate will change over time. The NFL will do its "due diligence" on "studying" air pressure, which is simply a show for the other fanbases. They will guide the public to come to the conclusion on their own that PSI is silly to try to regulate, but they can't just come out and say "whoops, yeah we didn't realize air pressure behaved this way" because the only thing everyone else would hear is that the league cheats for the Patriots. As hard as it is to believe, other fans actually think the Patriots get favorable treatment, and the NFL must take into consideration the dynamics of ALL.

When you're at the top, you have to be able to take everyone's punches, because everyone will be swinging. Enjoy being at the top, Kraft loves this team, he will always love this team, and all the legacies will survive and stand on their own in time. Personally I'm just going to keep enjoying being a fan of the 4-time champs, and look forward to this versatile defense that the mastermind is building, it should have a nice 3-4 year window of dominance if all goes well, and that will send Brady out on top.

Even if somehow, some way, Brady can't beat this suspension this year. We will survive, we will win games, we will keep on keeping on. It's easier to win with the GOAT but it is not impossible to win without the GOAT. Remember '08? Ultimately he'll be on that field, game 1 or game 5, and he's going to show the league a thing or two about the irrelevancy of PSI. Take our picks, call us cheaters, suspend our QB, mock our team, we will do what we always do, take it out on the field. Pats nation unite! Kraft will give the team all the support and anything it needs to win on the field every year, not just this year, like he has always done.
 
Yes we were foolish for thinking Bob would feel the same outage and go down swinging not with a whimper. I never expected him to take it to federal court but to go out like that? Feel free to continue to support him, he appreciate your patronage, I mean support.
 
Don't even try it right now. A different opinion equals crucifixion right now by the mighty posters.
 
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Forgive me, but this forum is acting like a spoiled child these last couple of days.

Spygate has mostly died down as well. Sure a jackal here and there will accuse the team of cheating and bring it up, but by and large, the media still acknowledge the Patriots as the one of the absolute best.

Kraft has never done anything that would suggest he does not care about his organization. He is a smart man, he is surrounded by smart people, he made the right decision for the franchise.

And remember, the loss of picks only further cements this dynasty and the legacy of the greatest coach and QB that will ever live.

Brady will not miss a game, the NFLPA will win that easily.

The narrative of deflategate will change over time. They will guide the public to come to the conclusion on their own that PSI is silly to try to regulate,

Kraft will give the team all the support and anything it needs to win on the field every year, not just this year, like he has always done.

Highlighted many of the things you are wrong about. Thanks for trying though.
 
Forgive me, but this forum is acting like a spoiled child these last couple of days.

We are fans of the greatest franchise in the last 2 decades, 4 rings, 6 superbowls. Envy is guaranteed, no matter what happens to the team, the rest of the public will try to bring us down while we are in the midst of our run. Legacies gain their popularity and favorability when they are gone, not before, not during. We've heard it from the beginning and it only gets worse the more you win.

Belichick will go down as the best, Brady will go down as the best, this dynasty will go down as the best. How often do you hear about the tuck rule today? Barely, if at all. Spygate has mostly died down as well. Sure a jackal here and there will accuse the team of cheating and bring it up, but by and large, the media still acknowledge the Patriots as the one of the absolute best.

No matter what the true intentions of the NFL are with their over-the-top treatment of the Patriots, be-it parity, or facade, or imagery, or ignorance, or giving other fanbases hope, or whatever, Kraft has never done anything that would suggest he does not care about his organization. No matter how much you don't like it, he is indeed only 1/32 (3.125 %) and he doesn't have nearly as much power over the NFL as you wish he did. 31 other teams also only care about their own franchises, and there is no way they are going to give a **** or support a cause when the best-of-the-best gets a little flack thrown at them. You can tell he cared as he spoke emotionally several times about this, but ultimately he simply had to analyze the entire situation and decide on the best course of action. He is a smart man, he is surrounded by smart people, he made the right decision for the franchise.

He cannot sue the NFL, he would never win, and there would be a far better chance of getting himself ousted and be forced to sell the team before he would achieve any good for the Patriots in any way. The path that you demand is simply not a good path, it may appease your irrational emotions in the moment, but it would damage the Patriots on and off the field. If you would rather that Kraft lose his team than put up with a little BS that doesn't impact your livelihood in any way, well it says a whole lot more about you than it does Kraft.

Beyond that, whether they agree or disagree, on a case-by-case basis, with the decisions of the commissioner, so long as that commissioner can show that he is growing the league, as long as the NFL brand grows in popularity and profitability, he will be supported by the business owners. There are no teams without the NFL, there is no BB without the NFL, there is no Brady without the NFL, they are all part of the NFL, and ultimately they all need the NFL more than the NFL needs any one of them. That's the harsh reality.

And remember, the loss of picks only further cements this dynasty and the legacy of the greatest coach and QB that will ever live.

Brady will not miss a game, the NFLPA will win that easily. The picks hurt but they can be overcome, just consider it the same as a freak injury to lose a player. The narrative of deflategate will change over time. The NFL will do its "due diligence" on "studying" air pressure, which is simply a show for the other fanbases. They will guide the public to come to the conclusion on their own that PSI is silly to try to regulate, but they can't just come out and say "whoops, yeah we didn't realize air pressure behaved this way" because the only thing everyone else would hear is that the league cheats for the Patriots. As hard as it is to believe, other fans actually think the Patriots get favorable treatment, and the NFL must take into consideration the dynamics of ALL.

When you're at the top, you have to be able to take everyone's punches, because everyone will be swinging. Enjoy being at the top, Kraft loves this team, he will always love this team, and all the legacies will survive and stand on their own in time. Personally I'm just going to keep enjoying being a fan of the 4-time champs, and look forward to this versatile defense that the mastermind is building, it should have a nice 3-4 year window of dominance if all goes well, and that will send Brady out on top.

Even if somehow, some way, Brady can't beat this suspension this year. We will survive, we will win games, we will keep on keeping on. It's easier to win with the GOAT but it is not impossible to win without the GOAT. Remember '08? Ultimately he'll be on that field, game 1 or game 5, and he's going to show the league a thing or two about the irrelevancy of PSI. Take our picks, call us cheaters, suspend our QB, mock our team, we will do what we always do, take it out on the field. Pats nation unite! Kraft will give the team all the support and anything it needs to win on the field every year, not just this year, like he has always done.

What is it with you Kraft defenders and your eagerness to make patently absurd comments?
 
This board never changes, drastically overreacts to every single little thing.

But hey let's go ahead and pretend that Kraft doesn't have a lot more to consider than us as fanatics. It's the same nonsense in trying to analyze every tiny detail from Belichick to Brady, you get a tiny fraction of the information and deem yourself as the expert on how it should have went. Well now you have your next villain, you actively choose to vilify people who do good for your "favorite" team. It's borderline insanity around here!

This is Kraft's team, his actions have direct consequence to this team and to his livelihood. But hey, let's just pretend he can and should do every little thing we wish he would to appease our emotional instability. Being the best of the best isn't good enough, we need more, damnit! We deserve it too because we spent a few bucks this one time!

Don't look now, but the boston media is a direct representation of its fanbase.
 
This board never changes, drastically overreacts to every single little thing.

But hey let's go ahead and pretend that Kraft doesn't have a lot more to consider than us as fanatics. It's the same nonsense in trying to analyze every tiny detail from Belichick to Brady, you get a tiny fraction of the information and deem yourself as the expert on how it should have went. Well now you have your next villain, you actively choose to vilify people who do good for your "favorite" team. It's borderline insanity around here!

This is Kraft's team, his actions have direct consequence to this team and to his livelihood. But hey, let's just pretend he can and should do every little thing we wish he would to appease our emotional instability. Being the best of the best isn't good enough, we need more, damnit! We deserve it too because we spent a few bucks this one time!

Don't look now, but the boston media is a direct representation of its fanbase.

Look, it's not the fault of everyone else that you're posting garbage. Instead of wondering about the significance of near unanimity on this issue, you're making blatantly false claims.

I suggest you step away from the keyboard, re-think the issue, and then return with a more honest approach, regardless of your take on Kraft at that time.
 
Kraft got us all riled up rallying behind him and then pulled the plug before the rally even started.
I've yet to see one argument that makes any sense of that series of events.
You can say it was wise to fall in line with the league, but then the wellsreportcontext.com and angry press events were a huge mistake mainly due to the expectations they raised with fans. I don't care what your expectations or desires are, there should be much to criticize right now.
 
I find this cathartic so I will break down your comments.

Forgive me, but this forum is acting like a spoiled child these last couple of days.
Being unhappy that the leader of an organization that you support which has been branded cheaters and had its legacy stained decides to give up clearing its good name because other things are more important when you are not guilty is not childish. It is standing up against being stabbed in the back.

We are fans of the greatest franchise in the last 2 decades, 4 rings, 6 superbowls. Envy is guaranteed, no matter what happens to the team, the rest of the public will try to bring us down while we are in the midst of our run.
The owner of this team legitimized the stain on the franchise and essentially either admitted guilt or said he doesn't care. The rest of the public trying to bring down the team is one thing, the owner helping them is something else entirely.

Legacies gain their popularity and favorability when they are gone, not before, not during. We've heard it from the beginning and it only gets worse the more you win.
This legacy will always have an * after it. The owner essentially pled guilty.

Belichick will go down as the best, Brady will go down as the best, this dynasty will go down as the best.
They will all go down as cheaters.

How often do you hear about the tuck rule today? Barely, if at all.
The Tuck Rule is not an accusation of cheating.


Spygate has mostly died down as well. Sure a jackal here and there will accuse the team of cheating and bring it up, but by and large, the media still acknowledge the Patriots as the one of the absolute best.
You are kidding right? One of our best players from last year just brought it up and used it as proof of a pattern that we cheat. It is raised at least 10 times a year on NFLN. I have heard or read at least a dozen times in the last month that the Patriots were caught taping opponents practices in Spygate. Every commentary on this debacle say 'and they were guilty of cheating in Spygate'. The penalties we were just given were higher because of Spygate, and the announcement said it.

No matter what the true intentions of the NFL are with their over-the-top treatment of the Patriots, be-it parity, or facade, or imagery, or ignorance, or giving other fanbases hope, or whatever, Kraft has never done anything that would suggest he does not care about his organization.
What do you call "at no time should the agenda of one team outweigh the collective good of the full 32"
This was his reason for accepting unfair treatment for the Patriots because unfair treatment of the Patriots is better for the collective good of the full 32.
That screams he doesn't care about the Patriots.


No matter how much you don't like it, he is indeed only 1/32 (3.125 %) and he doesn't have nearly as much power over the NFL as you wish he did.

He had the power to appeal. He had the power to tell 31 that they cannot trounce on 1.

31 other teams also only care about their own franchises, and there is no way they are going to give a **** or support a cause when the best-of-the-best gets a little flack thrown at them.
A little flack?
So you are saying that the right thing to do is to bend over because you are the only one getting screwed? What if they said they were going to vacate our Championship? Would you expect him to put the 'agenda' of the Patriots above the 'collective good of the 32' or just say he is tired of the rhetoric?


You can tell he cared as he spoke emotionally several times about this, but ultimately he simply had to analyze the entire situation and decide on the best course of action. He is a smart man, he is surrounded by smart people, he made the right decision for the franchise.
He is emotional because he knows he screwed the fans. He wished he didn't have to, but he will side with The Elite rather than The Help.

He cannot sue the NFL,
yes he can

he would never win, and there would be a far better chance of getting himself ousted and be forced to sell the team before he would achieve any good for the Patriots in any way.
They cannot oust him.


The path that you demand is simply not a good path, it may appease your irrational emotions in the moment, but it would damage the Patriots on and off the field. If you would rather that Kraft lose his team than put up with a little BS that doesn't impact your livelihood in any way, well it says a whole lot more about you than it does Kraft.
I would love for Kraft to lose the team and be replaced by someone who will protect its image and legacy.
The Patriots would not be damaged on or off the field by fighting punishment for something they are not guilty of.

Beyond that, whether they agree or disagree, on a case-by-case basis, with the decisions of the commissioner, so long as that commissioner can show that he is growing the league, as long as the NFL brand grows in popularity and profitability, he will be supported by the business owners. There are no teams without the NFL, there is no BB without the NFL, there is no Brady without the NFL, they are all part of the NFL, and ultimately they all need the NFL more than the NFL needs any one of them. That's the harsh reality.
So if The 32 decide that they don't like the Patriots winning so much and instruct the referees to not allow them to win under any circumstances in the post-season, you would be fine with that?

And remember, the loss of picks only further cements this dynasty and the legacy of the greatest coach and QB that will ever live.
*Penalized for cheating twice does not cement a legacy in any positive way.
*Accepted ruling they cheated without appealing does not either

Brady will not miss a game, the NFLPA will win that easily.
Then Kraft would have won easily too.


The picks hurt but they can be overcome, just consider it the same as a freak injury to lose a player. The narrative of deflategate will change over time.
It will always be
*Punished for cheating
*Accepted finding they cheated without appealing

The NFL will do its "due diligence" on "studying" air pressure, which is simply a show for the other fanbases. They will guide the public to come to the conclusion on their own that PSI is silly to try to regulate, but they can't just come out and say "whoops, yeah we didn't realize air pressure behaved this way" because the only thing everyone else would hear is that the league cheats for the Patriots. As hard as it is to believe, other fans actually think the Patriots get favorable treatment, and the NFL must take into consideration the dynamics of ALL.
This is not about PSI.
This is about the NFL ruled that the Patriots organized a scheme to cheat in order to create an unfair advantage and unfairly beat other teams, and then covered up the truth, and Tom Brady was at the center of it. Tom Brady's approach to winning footballs games is cheat and if they catch you lie.
Bob Kraft responded with "I see no need to appeal that ruling".

When you're at the top, you have to be able to take everyone's punches, because everyone will be swinging. Enjoy being at the top, Kraft loves this team, he will always love this team, and all the legacies will survive and stand on their own in time. Personally I'm just going to keep enjoying being a fan of the 4-time champs, and look forward to this versatile defense that the mastermind is building, it should have a nice 3-4 year window of dominance if all goes well, and that will send Brady out on top.
You don't 'take everyone's punches' by saying "Nice one, thanks, your right we cheated"

Even if somehow, some way, Brady can't beat this suspension this year. We will survive, we will win games, we will keep on keeping on. It's easier to win with the GOAT but it is not impossible to win without the GOAT. Remember '08? Ultimately he'll be on that field, game 1 or game 5, and he's going to show the league a thing or two about the irrelevancy of PSI. Take our picks, call us cheaters, suspend our QB, mock our team, we will do what we always do, take it out on the field. Pats nation unite! Kraft will give the team all the support and anything it needs to win on the field every year, not just this year, like he has always done.
And the lemmings will keep handing him their money.
 
Kraft got us all riled up rallying behind him and then pulled the plug before the rally even started.
I've yet to see one argument that makes any sense of that series of events.
You can say it was wise to fall in line with the league, but then the wellsreportcontext.com and angry press events were a huge mistake mainly due to the expectations they raised with fans. I don't care what your expectations or desires are, there should be much to criticize right now.

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Kraft got us all riled up rallying behind him and then pulled the plug before the rally even started.
I've yet to see one argument that makes any sense of that series of events.
You can say it was wise to fall in line with the league, but then the wellsreportcontext.com and angry press events were a huge mistake mainly due to the expectations they raised with fans. I don't care what your expectations or desires are, there should be much to criticize right now.

The percentage of fans who are following this in detail is negligible and that includes Patriots fans. People don't have the attention span for anything, most people just see it as a headline during their day and make their presumptions without ever caring about a single detail.

Just look at how the media and public took their attempted rebuttal. They found one single thing to harp on and laughed the entire thing away saying that there is no way deflate means losing weight. It's impossible for the Patriots to sway public opinion, people believe what they *want* to believe, that's just a fact of humanity. Large amounts of people believe all sorts of nonsense from anti-vaccination to climate change denial, facts are quite literally meaningless, people formulate opinions based on their cognitive biases and that's that. No one believes the Patriots, no one will ever believe the Patriots, no matter what Kraft does, no one will ever believe the Patriots, because the Patriots are on top.

Maybe Kraft intended on fighting the league but eventually thought better of it, maybe he saw the terrible reception of the facts from the website, maybe he realized that it's an impossible battle, who knows, but people need to stop pretending that Kraft is all-powerful or that he doesn't care about his own organization.

Fighting a long losing battle just to make some fans feel better doesn't make a lot of sense. At best, it does absolutely nothing to help the Patriots on or off the field, at worst, it directly hurts them on or off the field.
 
For the time being at least, Bob Kraft has allowed that dynasty to become a national disgrace - not because it lacked the support of the fans, or because he didn't have the means or material to defend it. It's because he simply chose to let others discredit it and trample on all its accomplishments, without putting up so much as a fight.

Worst thing of it all, is that for this whole time, we were led to believe he would actually stand for us, and show some pride. But instead, he went from this....


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Poor little Joey got his feelings hurt because the vast majority around here feels differently.
I'm not the one with my feelings hurt lol you guys are the ones giving me the butthurt dislikes. Honestly I agree with you guys a lot than the OP but the negative responses you guys are giving him just for that are ridiculous.
 
Don't even try it right now. A different opinion equals crucifixion right now by the mighty posters.

I suspect if there were a compelling argument to be made, you'd find some sympathy.

None of the pro-Kraft arguments I've read here have been compelling, and most are borderline incoherent. Perhaps coming to grips with the betrayal would be a wiser choice than playing contrarian and attempting to defend the indefensible.
 
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