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Kraft is perpetuating a monster in the NFL front office. A monster that has no accountability, can create any amount of chaos and disruption and has no fear of being called on it. It would be one thing if Roger was just a puppet of the owners but he is an entity that is no only answerable to himself.

One thing that's a sick joke -- that the team name is "Patriots". This is about as opposed to Revolutionary American values as one can get.
 
The message I got from Kraft was either "we cheated again and this time lied about it" Or "we're innocent, but have had too much success and made too many jealous that they will knock us down any means possible and I will not or cannot fight it."

If they did cheat, why didn't the nfl prove it and leak evidence? If they're going to be brought back to earth by less than honest means, why is that OK to roll over? Either reason makes it.... difficult at best to be a fan.
 
The message I got from Kraft was either "we cheated again and this time lied about it" Or "we're innocent, but have had too much success and made too many jealous that they will knock us down any means possible and I will not or cannot fight it."

If they did cheat, why didn't the nfl prove it and leak evidence? If they're going to be brought back to earth by less than honest means, why is that OK to roll over? Either reason makes it.... difficult at best to be a fan.


The NFL had the evidence in their hands. They took the footballs in question off of the field and brought them back to the Referees room. If they had left them aside and kept them for evidence they would never had needed a Wells investigation but instead they re-inflated those footballs effectively destroying the evidence and put them back in the game. IF they had kept them and checked them after the game they would have known exactly what was or wan't missing out of the footballs. The NFL completely botched this and now the Pats have to live with a "more probable than not" conclusion. Wells got his millions, Goodell got his verdict and Kraft folded.
 
Beautifully said, op. Feel the same way myself.
 
Bob Kraft is a business man - and there aren't any billionaires who haven't mortgaged huge part of their soul at one point or another.

Yesterday was just another business decision for Bob Kraft - its not about Bob 'being weak' or 'lacking spine' - its about Kraft going along with the leagues efforts to handicap the team that has had the good fortune to have the best QB/HC the game has seen.

In short, its about trying to get some parity back in the game - its about letting someone else from the AFCE make the post-season (we don't want to lose those Buffalo/Miami/NYJ fans do we?).

It's best to think of the 32 franchise owners, not as competitors, but as partners in a business venture - 31 fanbases are overjoyed - 31 fanbases have increased their odds of winning the Superbowl.

One fanbase is going to bellyache a whole lot - but eventually get straight back in line and buy NFL merch, watch NFL games.....at least this is how Kraft et al think the plebs will react.

Good business, in short.

Anyone who thinks that Kraft accepted this team punishment to lower Brady's is delusional - I would not be surprised that this be taken as a green light to increase Brady's punishment to 8 games after his appeal is rejected.

What you see on the field might not be the WWE fix that some might believe, but what transpires between the 32 partners absolutely is.

The question is, do you really want to be a part of that?

Personally, after 26 years as a fan - i'm likely done - i'll always appreciate the greatness of Belichick and Brady - and i'll enjoy watching my 3GTG DVD's - but watching football on a Sunday is tacitly agreeing with the pantomime that the NFL has become...and thats something i'm not prepared to do.

All the best.

Livinginthepast, you nailed it. There is no more spot on thread related to this whole deflategate mess than what you have posted here.

After the betrayal by Sponge Bob it has become clear to me what this league is all about and actually helps explain so many of the inequities that we are seeing, particularly in regards to unequal treatment of teams when discipline is imposed.

The only team other than the Pats to be hammered during the Goodell Era of Omission, is the New Orleans Saints. When they got slammed for Bountygate they were a recent Superbowl winner and among the elite teams.

You don't bring parity back into the league if you rule only on the offense, because the well-run teams avoid the offenses, sometimes, as with the Pats, you need to manufacture an offense, like Deflategate, when the target team insists on winning and making sound decisions that only help their teams get better.

From what we know now, were the Pats the first unwitting victims whose consistent excellence had made them a target as soon as Roger Goodell took over as Omissioner? Was Spygate not merely an opportunity to take the Pats down a notch, but an actual planned event? I am not saying that the league new they could catch the Pats taping from an unauthorized location, although they may have had a good idea that that would be one of their likely opportunities, but that the league had the Pats' excellence in their cross hairs and they were going to find something to nail them on if it wasn't Spygate.

After Spygate it looks like the Pats really made an effort to avoid doing anything that could put them in that compromised position again, only to have an invented offense, in Deflategate, when the league couldn't find anything legitimate.

Now on the other side of the parity coin we see the numerous non-punishments for similar offenses.

The Rats were caught in Foxborough, during the 2006 season, taping, as the Pats did in Spygate, from an unauthorized location. The Rats claimed that they had permission, the Pats said they did not, but no punishment was leveled on the Rats.

After Spygate the Denver Broncos were caught actually doing what the Pats were accused of, but cleared of, taping another team's practice when they taped the 49ers in London.

I remember visiting Broncos message boards at that time and the fans were seriously concerned about how badly they were going to get hammered, since there was already a perceived precedent.

In the end the Broncos were only fined $100,000. Did I mention it was the 5-11 Denver Broncos?

We all know that the Vikings and Panthers were caught last season, heating up balls on the sidelines. That violates the same rule that the Pats were accused of breaking in Deflategate. The league told them to knock it off. No punishment issued.

After two other incidents of tampering that Goodell had set a punishment precedent on, he then ruled on the Revis tampering case with a mindnumbingly lenient $100,000 penalty. It really feels like it was a deliberate effort to mock and insult the Pats.

Based on the punishment precedent that Goodell had previously established, along with the blatentness of the tampering, the quality of the player tampered with, and the fact that the tampering team succeeded in getting the player they tampered with, the penalty should have been in the range of a lost 3rd or 4th round pick, and then a swap of 2nd or 1st round picks, instead, after months of deliberation, and a counter-tampering charge against the Pats that should have been seen as making a mockery of the rules against tampering and made the punishment worse, a mere $100,000 penalty was the ruling.

Bad teams do not get hammered by the league, that is counterproductive to the goal of parity.

The league WILL however, hammer teams like the Pats for minor offenses, like Spygate, and manufactured ones like Deflategate, and it is no coincidence that each incident resulted in stripping the Pats of a 1st round draft pick, because when everything is boiled down to the basics, there is no more effective way to level the playing field than to deprive a team of the opportunity to acquire difference makers in the draft.

Consider too that if Goodell had ruled on the merits of the offense, it would have made the Pats even stronger and the Rats weaker. Not good for parity.

Amazingly the Pats under BB and Brady have been able to overcome such hamstringing previously, so now the league has no option but to take tougher measures to try and force the Pats into mediocrity.

Please Tom, do not settle with the league on your suspension. Take them to court and win the most important game you will ever face in your career.
 
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Bob Kraft is a business man - and there aren't any billionaires who haven't mortgaged huge part of their soul at one point or another.

Yesterday was just another business decision for Bob Kraft - its not about Bob 'being weak' or 'lacking spine' - its about Kraft going along with the leagues efforts to handicap the team that has had the good fortune to have the best QB/HC the game has seen.

In short, its about trying to get some parity back in the game - its about letting someone else from the AFCE make the post-season (we don't want to lose those Buffalo/Miami/NYJ fans do we?).

It's best to think of the 32 franchise owners, not as competitors, but as partners in a business venture - 31 fanbases are overjoyed - 31 fanbases have increased their odds of winning the Superbowl.

One fanbase is going to bellyache a whole lot - but eventually get straight back in line and buy NFL merch, watch NFL games.....at least this is how Kraft et al think the plebs will react.

Good business, in short.

Anyone who thinks that Kraft accepted this team punishment to lower Brady's is delusional - I would not be surprised that this be taken as a green light to increase Brady's punishment to 8 games after his appeal is rejected.

What you see on the field might not be the WWE fix that some might believe, but what transpires between the 32 partners absolutely is.

The question is, do you really want to be a part of that?

Personally, after 26 years as a fan - i'm likely done - i'll always appreciate the greatness of Belichick and Brady - and i'll enjoy watching my 3GTG DVD's - but watching football on a Sunday is tacitly agreeing with the pantomime that the NFL has become...and thats something i'm not prepared to do.

All the best.

Bye
 
The one that kept the team from moving to St Louis is like Modell. Interesting how your mind can conjure that.
 
I was wearing a pats shirt at the university the day Kraft sold us.

I literally went back home and changed it. It's a shame, it used to be my favorite one.
 
I've been a fan of the Patriots for 40 years. I am not disappointed Mr Kraft, I am disgusted and irate at your actions. So you think that the other teams and fans are more important then your own. The same owners that say don't rile the waters and accept the punishment are the same ones who are laughing behind your back and calling your team cheaters. Brady before the SB gave a rousing speech about this was about honor and respect. Mr Kraft, you sure made a fool out of Tom Brady and you sure made a fool of us fans. You just made it clear to the world, players and fans of other teams, that yes the Patriots are cheaters and have been since you owned the team. The first 3 Super Bowls are now tainted too. There is no time constraint like there was for Spygate, deflating footballs below the legal limit has always been illegal. Give up your ownership to your son, you are too old and gutless to do the team justice.
 
I believe that Gr8est completely nailed it. The NFL clearly tries to bring the good teams back to the pack in order to have as much parity as possible in the league

Face it, people are sick of watching the Patriots win. It's been going on far too long and frankly it's bad for business

As Gr8 pointed out goodell and the owners need to do whatever they can to level the playing field.

I'm sure that this was explained to Spineless Bob in San Francisco and that's why we saw the sudden change in his attitude on Tuesday
 
I believe that Gr8est completely nailed it. The NFL clearly tries to bring the good teams back to the pack in order to have as much parity as possible in the league

Face it, people are sick of watching the Patriots win. It's been going on far too long and frankly it's bad for business

As Gr8 pointed out goodell and the owners need to do whatever they can to level the playing field.

I'm sure that this was explained to Spineless Bob in San Francisco and that's why we saw the sudden change in his attitude on Tuesday

Spineless Bob knew about the 'arrangement' all along.

The meeting in SF was purely part of the pantomime that NFL engineered.

Bob's priorities lie with making the NFL as big as possible, not protecting the interests of 1/32nd - especially when that 1/32nd insists on crushing the dreams of parity that the salary cap was designed to bring forth.
 
I guess the irony is that Kraft genuinely is one of the most powerful guys in the NFL, that he genuinely does pull the strings of Goodell (Pinata) and that he absolutely signed off on this whole debacle - because he genuinely does believe that it serves a higher purpose.

As mentioned before, we'd like to buy into the fairytale that Bob Kraft was ever 'one of us' - all Bob Kraft is, is a highly successful and ruthless business man.

Bob's largest investment is not in the NEP, but the NFL - if 'his' team has to take a whack in the name of parity once in awhile then he is more than happy to pay the price - Bob is always considering the macro, not the micro.

Its natural to want 'our guy' to be different to the other blood sucking owners in the NFL - that sad (and now, obvious) truth is that he isn't.

Don't make the mistake of portraying Bob Kraft as a man unaware of his environment, of a guy who misjudged (and continues to misjudge) the other 31 owners.

Bob Kraft is one of the most powerful members of the ownership cabal and despite the charade of being caught out by this whole thing, he is undeniably fully on board with it all.
 
People also really need to move away from the idea that Goodell has any more power than that which is invested in him by the owners.

For the 32 owners, Goodell is a meat-shield, a lightning rod, a pinata whose primary purpose is to execute the wishes of the ownership cabal.

The idea of him being some type of out-of-control megalomaniac is inane - Roger Goodell does what all good meat-shields do - he stands in front of hostile fire and takes the hits for the team.
 
One look at this forum and it's clear I'm not alone. Our entire fan base is now demoralized in the offseason of our 4th championship, and it has literally NOTHING to do with the "cheating allegations" of outsiders.

Eight years is a long time to bitterly defend the football team -and its players and coach- only to be stabbed in the back by the ****ing owner at perhaps our most critical moment.

I wonder. If it's `more probable than not` that Linebacker X is `generally aware` that Linebacker Y is taking steroids, is that a four game suspension? I guess that probably depends on if he wears a Patriot uniform.

Apparently it's fine for ex-rivals to conspire against us in the league office and media, **** all over our team, discredit all of its accomplishments, and we'll just lay down and take it. Go on, tarnish our championships and dock our draft picks at your leisure. We won't do or say anything. Maybe we should start apologizing for things we haven't even done, just to be appeasing and sensitive to other cities football misfortunes. After all, there's 32 teams, and only one Tom Brady, and only one Bill Belichick. Hardly seems fair.

Apparently this is the NFL's version of "social justice", and pride comes before the fall for Patriot Nation.

This is the meat and potatoes of this post. I re-read this several times. Excellent work.
 
I don't have the energy for this

Kraft is not Modell........that's a silly analogy

by the same token, I now have a recollection of a team that hardly ever made the playoffs, but I loved more because of the passion.

Still waiting to hear from Brady.......But I think we are finally seeing what Parcells found so hard to stomach (this version of Bob Kraft)
 
And thats why the NFL banned the Green Bay ownership model and wants all of the franchises to be owned by wealthy people. They can be better controlled and "convinced" than having to go through a vote among thousands of people. You think there is a chance the Packers would lie down like Kraft? There would be thermonuclear war with their ownership.

Don't be romanticizing the Packers ownership structure. Two people have together 10% of the voting power and they plus a very small number of other people combine to have total control of the team.
 

by the same token, I now have a recollection of a team that hardly ever made the playoffs, but I loved more because of the passion.

Still waiting to hear from Brady.......But I think we are finally seeing what Parcells found so hard to stomach (this version of Bob Kraft)

sounds intriguing....can u elaborate please?
 
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