What if Brady folds?

mgteich said:

Most folks here would follow their attack on Kraft with an attack on Brady.

Hopefully, these folks are gone in a couple of months in any case.

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1. Tom does not have the full support of his ownership
2. Some (most?) of his legal support currently is at the behest of the NFLPA, which may have a different tolerance than does Tom Brady the individual.

These 2 things in mind, although I don't expect him to fold, I wouldn't really blame him if he did. His situation is different than Kraft's by an indescribably wide margin. Kraft was obligated to protect the players on his team he employs and the fans of his franchise from which he earns money. (Keep in mind he's one of 32 people that is Goodell's boss, not the other way around.)

So your conclusion isn't apples-to-apples (and hence also incorrect.) Somewhere in that disparity might be why you're missing the point on Kraft entirely. Especially given that it might not be entirely Tom's choice since this is an NFLPA appeal.

I hope he doesn't fold and the hot poker is inserted where the sun don't shine to Kraft, Goodell,Wells,Kensil and Vincent.

Right now I don't care if Brady did it or not. It's so trivial and ******** I could really care less. Stupid ****ers actually bringing up integrity of the game after watching ref jobs like Pitt/Seattles SB, NE/Indy 06.

These ****ckers have the audacity to call Brady a cheater after all he has given the game. The audacity to claim he requested the balls below 12.5 even without a thread of proof to claim he wanted them deflated to begin with. The audacity after he ****ing torches the P***y Colts in the 2nd half. The audacity after he puts this team on his back yet again in the Super Bowl against Seattle with the most guarded balls in history.

Again, I hope this goes to federal court. I hope they take everyone's cells involved and pulls all their texts. I could care 2 ****ing licks if Brady has texts telling the boys to deflate that ball down to 3 psi. As long as I get to see those texts from those butt monkeys incriminating them on their conspiracy against the Patriots and bring this CBA to a screeching halt I'll be happy.

Would love to see the NFL batted around in court. Rest assured that we'll get batted around in court too.

Seems what we need is a Wells Report on the "integrity" of officiating in the NFL, not to mention the practices of leaking from the league offices, etc. etc. etc., and we expect the result of a court battle to reliably deliver that product. Meh. Maybe it will. Maybe Brady "clears his name" by fighting.

What's strange to me is that during cameragate so much of the board just didn't really give a damn. They ended up being right; we just had to brush it off in the end.

Now we're following along the sports media narrative acting like the victims of events... "I will PROUDLY and ANGRILY stop watching the Pats etc."... based on various media accounts, which have been shown to be partial at best.

Kraft went on national TV and gave up on fighting the league. I'm not thrilled. But haven't we all seen this movie before?

I don't get the internalizing of the other guy's narrative around here. "We'll be forever branded as cheaters."

Really? Will this ever be more than the location of the camera, which nobody was concealing, and a guy who preferred the low end of a PSI range + the weather, in terms of the final analysis - the reality?

If so, why are these both enormous penalties for first offenses regarding the rule in question?

Why are they both "rules" complained about by another team? Oh that's right, that's how we judge "competitive balance." That's the mechanism: let losers go after winners off the field.

Here's the right way to do it: Announce your weird petty rule. Announce your procedure to enforce the rule. Put that procedure in place, for every team. Then there won't be nothin.'

There is never a systemic follow-up -- it is a system arranged to "take shots" at whoever is most hated in the league.

As to how this could affect their crap franchises, they'll cross that bridge if they ever come to it. Most SB winners except the Pats are flashes in the pan. The closest you see to the Pat's success lately is the Steelers and the Giants... oddly enough, that's not where these allegations are coming from.

Okay done for now on this angle of it.

sieglo said:

I don't think Brady will fold. I think he will take this to court if he needs to. But if he does fold and accepts a suspension -- even a reduced one -- how will you react?

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If Brady folds before a court case, I'll think he's probably guilty.

RobAllan said:

1. Tom does not have the full support of his ownership
2. Some (most?) of his legal support currently is at the behest of the NFLPA, which may have a different tolerance than does Tom Brady the individual.

These 2 things in mind, although I don't expect him to fold, I wouldn't really blame him if he did. His situation is different than Kraft's by an indescribably wide margin. Kraft was obligated to protect the players on his team he employs and the fans of his franchise from which he earns money. (Keep in mind he's one of 32 people that is Goodell's boss, not the other way around.)

So your conclusion isn't apples-to-apples (and hence also incorrect.) Somewhere in that disparity might be why you're missing the point on Kraft entirely. Especially given that it might not be entirely Tom's choice since this is an NFLPA appeal.

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The NFLPA is filing it on his behalf, and with his permission.

Florio noted (somewhat inexplicably IMO) that Brady can withdraw the appeal if he so chooses. I'm fairly sure he could continue it even if the NFLPA wanted to withdraw for some reason.

Tom Brady: not a *****.

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If Brady runs the course, my admiration for the man will grow to an unexpected, almost homo-erotic level.

If Brady quit because he was down he would have four fewer Super Bowls.

Fencer said:

If Brady folds before a court case, I'll think he's probably guilty.

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No one give a **** prior to 1-18-15, so I personally wouldn't even consider it "guilty" in a traditional sense. I do however, agree with you that if that happens, there may be some kind of fear that something may have occurred on some level, whether that was from JJ/JM or both.

PatsFanInVa said:

Would love to see the NFL batted around in court. Rest assured that we'll get batted around in court too.

Seems what we need is a Wells Report on the "integrity" of officiating in the NFL, not to mention the practices of leaking from the league offices, etc. etc. etc., and we expect the result of a court battle to reliably deliver that product. Meh. Maybe it will. Maybe Brady "clears his name" by fighting.

What's strange to me is that during cameragate so much of the board just didn't really give a damn. They ended up being right; we just had to brush it off in the end.

Now we're following along the sports media narrative acting like the victims of events... "I will PROUDLY and ANGRILY stop watching the Pats etc."... based on various media accounts, which have been shown to be partial at best.

Kraft went on national TV and gave up on fighting the league. I'm not thrilled. But haven't we all seen this movie before?

I don't get the internalizing of the other guy's narrative around here. "We'll be forever branded as cheaters."

Really? Will this ever be more than the location of the camera, which nobody was concealing, and a guy who preferred the low end of a PSI range + the weather, in terms of the final analysis - the reality?

If so, why are these both enormous penalties for first offenses regarding the rule in question?

Why are they both "rules" complained about by another team? Oh that's right, that's how we judge "competitive balance." That's the mechanism: let losers go after winners off the field.

Here's the right way to do it: Announce your weird petty rule. Announce your procedure to enforce the rule. Put that procedure in place, for every team. Then there won't be nothin.'

There is never a systemic follow-up -- it is a system arranged to "take shots" at whoever is most hated in the league.

As to how this could affect their crap franchises, they'll cross that bridge if they ever come to it. Most SB winners except the Pats are flashes in the pan. The closest you see to the Pat's success lately is the Steelers and the Giants... oddly enough, that's not where these allegations are coming from.

Okay done for now on this angle of it.

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The worst part about any of it is that either issue gave them anything of an advantage, and that aspect will only fall on deaf ears if you attempt to point it out to any other fanbase.

Most idiots feel that defines the Patriots, but the Pats would've won 12+ games no matter what. I'm just shocked that there wasn't enough to verify their innocence in front of the world, at least with this scandal anyway.

As far as I can see, although it is on his behalf and with his permission, if this gets to court it is an NFLPA fight, and they are not going to want to fold. If he does a deal with Evill at his appeal, , then that is his business (and his legacy). Would hope it would be a very good deal, cause the NFLPA should be licking their chops for this battle and must realise if they do not fight here, who knows where Evill might end. Also if the NFLPA/Brady can score an unconditional knockout in the courts, this will open all kinds of issues they are fighting for, all the way to their holy grail; anti-trust. Between Evill and Kraft, they seem to have now made me a 'union' man when it comes to the NFL.

Patstopia said:

I can't see Brady Folding. There is no point to it. Either he wins or he losses. Nothing worse can happen. The only thing that can improve is his punishment.

Imagine if Brady is completely exonerated. And the Pats are still punished for deflating footballs even though the person who they said had knowledge of it was found innocent!

How will that work? Will Bobby say a word?

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Bob will feel like the biggest schmuck in the world. Fuc.k him, if he had even just done nothing until after Brady's fight then he could have jumped off that success. But I guess he never really wanted to succeed anyway. He wanted to fail to Goodell.

BradyFTW! said:

He could take out the antitrust exemption in court and send the league toppling into extinction and I'd be borderline happy about it.

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BORDERLINE!!?? I don't think anything would make me happier than Brady taking down the league over this.

sieglo said:

I don't think Brady will fold. I think he will take this to court if he needs to. But if he does fold and accepts a suspension -- even a reduced one -- how will you react?

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If Tom folds, I'd be like OMG....I mean like Tom has been such a model citizen and I'd be like so mad I'm not even sure I'd root for him. That would mean...OMG...like both Kraft and Brady would have caved and I'd be like so embarrassed and disappointed....Hey, like you guys wanna do a poll and see like what people think?

That's how this board often sounds....

grux said:

Maybe he is guilty? Even if he did order the "code red", the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

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Not sure why this got 3 "disagree" ratings. I would have a hard time assuming anything else, if Brady just said "never mind" and took the 4 game suspension. I wouldn't even mind so much if he admitted to asking for the pressure to be adjusted - so what? In NFL terms, that shouldn't even deserve a jaywalking fine.

What would piss me off if he folded with an insulting, rubbish statement like Kraft's. Don't think that's going to happen, but who knows.

Would not be a good end to the week for me...

I think anyone that would turn on Brady or the Patriots would have to be very shallow. Even if we did ch-ch-ch...you know what I mean....why wouldn't we all stay Patriots fans? Who among us is close to perfect? If anyone thought or hoped our team was perfect, you were kinda stupid.

And no, we can't worry about "Oh, the children" people. This is life and in life there truly are no fairly tales where everything always ends happily ever after.

Roll with it man....crap happens, this is not fantasy football or some video game.

mgteich said:

Most folks here would follow their attack on Kraft with an attack on Brady.

Hopefully, these folks are gone in a couple of months in any case.

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Well, you should speak for yourself. Most "folks" attacked Kraft because he decided to stand with the NFL and owners, rather than the team, BB and Brady. If Brady decides to essentially admit guilt, that's up to him.

robertweathers said:

The NFL had Bob by the balls. Sure he could have fought but he would have lost and the cost would have been great on many levels.

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All I had hoped was that Kraft would file an appeal (which he surely would have lost) and stand firm in his support of Brady and BB and dismissal of the Wells report's findings. I don't see how the cost of that could have been unacceptably high.

Guys brady wont fold. As a player he has alot more leeway to fight the league over this than the team has.

the NFLPa must be licking their chops. They were handed the biggest slam dunk case they are ever going to get. The face of the league superbowl mvp with a pristine record suspended 4 games over a flimsy biased report. They already called out Goodell. When he refuses to recuse himself they will file an injunction which will get him removed as arbitrator and then they will destroy the report and the nfl. The nfl got the ssuspension thrown out for rice, peterson, vilma and the saints players
This is about power. If goodell wins then he can suspend any player who refuses to turn over their phone and bend over for him.

Brady is going to play all 16 games this year

robertweathers said:

The NFL had Bob by the balls. Sure he could have fought but he would have lost and the cost would have been great on many levels.

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I'm curious about this type of comment because I've seen it a lot. I wish someone would tell me what that cost might have been. As it is now the NEP have the largest penalty in NFL history and are forevermore branded as cheaters. And the owner decided not to defend the integrity and honor of his team but to side with his pals in the Billionaire Boys club over his players and fans. So exactly what would have been worse? Worse for the other owners perhaps, but worse for the Pats? How?