Prediction: Kraft will aim to convince Brady to accept a reduced suspension; but Brady won't accept

Soul_Survivor88 · May 20, 2015

Kraft is trinyg to convince Brady to accept a reduced suspension, because of his “respect for the commissioner,” and he believes what Goodell is doing is right for the NFL. But as much as Brady admires Kraft, TB12 won't go down without a fight. We're talking about someone who's worked his whole life to reach the heights of football fame, and Brady will not allow his legacy to be ruined by a phony scandal. He won't accept nothing less than total exoneration!

Now, if the suspension is completely rescinded, that might do the trick. But at this point, it's hard seeing Goodell eliminating all four games. So my prediction is that Kraft will try and talk with Brady and convince him to accept Goodell’s verdict after the appeal. Good luck with that Bob

Unlike you, our quarterback is actually willing to put up a fight for himself, and everything he believes in!

You wait and see .... it's Brady or Bust

ctpatsfan77 · May 20, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
Kraft is going to convince Brady to accept a reduced suspension, because of his “respect for the commissioner,” and he believes what Goodell is doing is right for the NFL. But as much as Brady admires Kraft, TB12 won't go down without a fight. We're talking about someone who's worked his whole life to reach the heights of football fame, and Brady will not allow his legacy to be ruined by a phony scandal. He won't accept nothing less than total exoneration!

I doubt he would accept even a one-game suspension if, as most of us believe, he did not actually do anything that merits a suspension.

That said, if you look at the NFLPA's arguments, several of them simply argue that the penalty is invalid, regardless of whether or not a penalty is merited at all. So even if he has the suspension completely overturned, the grounds on which that happens may not prove he's innocent.

In that case, it's an open question if he'll take things further.

Soul_Survivor88 · May 20, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
In that case, it's an open question if he'll take things further.

Can you say, "defamation suit"??

nowayback · May 20, 2015

For Brady I don't think its the suspension, its the fact that they said he cheated. He has done enough for the team, do this one for yourself

juny · May 20, 2015

If TB is innocent as he proclaims, then 0 games is the goal. Would respectfully say no thanks to Bob, to any compromise. TB should feel insulted if any offer like that came up.

karguy85 · May 20, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
I doubt he would accept even a one-game suspension if, as most of us believe, he did not actually do anything that merits a suspension.

That said, if you look at the NFLPA's arguments, several of them simply argue that the penalty is invalid, regardless of whether or not a penalty is merited at all. So even if he has the suspension completely overturned, the grounds on which that happens may not prove he's innocent.

In that case, it's an open question if he'll take things further.

This is where I disagree with you. I'm a lawyer and it would pretty much be malpractice to not include the procedural arguments that could get your client off on a technicality. That does not mean that the actual substantive arguments are any less valid. But you have to make every argument you can to give your client the best shot of winning.

ctpatsfan77 · May 20, 2015

karguy85 said:
This is where I disagree with you. I'm a lawyer and it would pretty much be malpractice to not include the procedural arguments that could get your client off on a technicality. That does not mean that the actual substantive arguments are any less valid. But you have to make every argument you can to give your client the best shot of winning.

I don't actually see what you're disagreeing with me on.

I didn't argue that they shouldn't make those arguments. All I'm saying is that they may rule that the suspension is invalid, for example, because of the rules regarding conduct detrimental penalties, and never actually rule on whether or not there is evidence he did anything wrong.

scott99 · May 20, 2015

It disgusts me that Kraft would rather side with Goodell than with Brady. All along he states that he believes in Brady and supports him 100%, and now he wants him to accept a penalty for something he claims he didn't do, and something Kraft believes Brady didn't do. This is completely insane.

I hope Brady only does one thing, fights this tooth and nail, and winds up getting this bogus suspension down to ZERO games. If I were him, he I had to serve even ONE game, I would retire. He doesn't need to prove himself any more, and after all this, he doesn't owe Kraft one iota.

karguy85 · May 20, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
I don't actually see what you're disagreeing with me on.

I didn't argue that they shouldn't make those arguments. All I'm saying is that they may rule that the suspension is invalid, for example, because of the rules regarding conduct detrimental penalties, and never actually rule on whether or not there is evidence he did anything wrong.

True enough. I guess at this point, I don't care as much about Brady being fully exonerated (although that would be nice) and just would like him to play all 16 regular season games. Opposing fans and the media have their opinions fully formed and nothing is going to change.

dales804 · May 20, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
That said, if you look at the NFLPA's arguments, several of them simply argue that the penalty is invalid, regardless of whether or not a penalty is merited at all. So even if he has the suspension completely overturned, the grounds on which that happens may not prove he's innocent.

That may well be the case. But looking at the letter of appeal they wrote, it says that those are just some of the reasons they have but hold the right to have more at the hearing. Perhaps those others ones are about his innocence.

nowayback · May 20, 2015

If I were Brady I would take an offer from Kraft like that as an insult. Its about honor you #$^$&^&*^*

ctpatsfan77 · May 20, 2015

dales804 said:
That may well be the case. But looking at the letter of appeal they wrote, it says that those are just some of the reasons they have but hold the right to have more at the hearing. Perhaps those others ones are about his innocence.

None of us are in disagreement on that point.

My point was simply that if his suspension is overturned without an exoneration, does Brady still go ahead with a defamation suit?

dales804 · May 20, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
None of us are in disagreement on that point.

My point was simply that if his suspension is overturned without an exoneration, does Brady still go ahead with a defamation suit?

No idea. I'd doubt it.

Soul_Survivor88 · May 20, 2015

nowayback said:
If I were Brady I would take an offer from Kraft like that as an insult. Its about honor you #$^$&^&*^*

turkeyneck · May 20, 2015

If Kraft tries that, Brady is going to be even angrier this season than we could have expected. He will be a hard guy to live with. There will be no patience for Ocho Cincos or Joey Galloways. Receivers better have the playbook down cold or face more than a bit of the wrath boiling up for the rest of the NFL.

chasa · May 20, 2015

just went back and watched the press conference where people asked brady to look into the camera and apologize, and how he was going to explain to his kids that hes a cheater.

I kind of really want brady to request a trade. Robert Kraft really ****ed this up.

JJC · May 20, 2015

What Brady does is beyond the reach of Kraft, unless Kraft is willing to cut him when Brady refuses.

Just as Kraft had to side with the other owners (management) to do what is in their collective best interests, Brady must play his role on the players' side (labor) of the field. The NFLPA is in the driver's seat on this now. Brady allowed them to file the appeal and they hired Kessler. They have an obligation, on behalf of all the players, to fight arbitrary and capricious decisions from the Commissioner's office.

In the eyes of the NFLPA, they are like honey badger - they don't give a sh*t about Brady's legacy or reputation. They only care about the NFL offices abiding by the terms of their agreement and respecting their rights. They HAVE to fight for them. There is no other way.

Rhodey · May 20, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
Kraft is trinyg to convince Brady to accept a reduced suspension, because of his “respect for the commissioner,” and he believes what Goodell is doing is right for the NFL. But as much as Brady admires Kraft, TB12 won't go down without a fight. We're talking about someone who's worked his whole life to reach the heights of football fame, and Brady will not allow his legacy to be ruined by a phony scandal. He won't accept nothing less than total exoneration!

Now, if the suspension is completely rescinded, that might do the trick. But at this point, it's hard seeing Goodell eliminating all four games. So my prediction is that Kraft will try and talk with Brady and convince him to accept Goodell’s verdict after the appeal. Good luck with that Bob Unlike you, our quarterback is actually willing to put up a fight for himself, and everything he believes in!

You wait and see .... it's Brady or Bust

I have no doubt that Goodell is now working through Kraft to bring the Indianapolis wish to fruition: Destroy anything good about the Patriots and/or Tom Brady. Curiously, Kraft does not see (through) this. Is there a connection here between Indy and Goodell? Obviously, Goodell is doing everything Indy hoped. And what is the precedent here? Do we start looking for everything we can about the facilities before and after each game? Will future games be won off the field? If that's the case, so much for the collective (i.e. league) that Kraft places above all else.

If you want to know what Kraft thinks about anything- check with the COLLECTIVE. They speak for him. The individual is dead; only the collective exists.

NENGFAN · May 20, 2015

If Tom Brady gets even 1 game suspension for this nonsense. That will be the straw that breaks the camels back for me.

Joey007 · May 20, 2015

Okay..? Well you're breaking point is much stronger than 99% of this board.

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