Now that I had time to digest this

supafly · May 19, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
Honestly, he suddenly looked and sounded like a guilty, defeated, tired old man. Just really disappointing.

Nah, man--we're going scorched earth on them. Just wait...you'll see

skinnydog · May 19, 2015

reneluar said:
Even if they dont appeal the penalties, the pathetic thing was the statement, he was looking for an excuse to suck Goodell´s balls in public.[/QUOT

Goodell to Kraft: Uh, Bob. So sorry about that thing I just did in your mouth. Kraft: No problem, always willing to take it from you Roger.

Ross12 · May 19, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
Just watched Quick Slants and I think Kay Adams made a great point. She criticized Kraft not so much for caving but, rather, for misleading us with all of his tough talk. The SB arrival day speech, the Wells in Context rebuttal, the interview just 48 or so hours ago with King as evidence. From my perspective, I would have been less disappointed if Kraft at least would have forcefully claimed innocence while capitulating. Honestly, he suddenly looked and sounded like a guilty, defeated, tired old man. Just really disappointing.

I think we all agree her points are all good, always, no matter what, forever.

rochrist · May 19, 2015

Rhodey said:
It appears that almost everyone missed (the significance of) the language that Kraft used in regards to collectivism over individualism. The significance of these words (and what they represent) should not be underestimated. FYI: this maps directly to the war on consciousness with the NFL (organisation) playing its part, as well. And the agenda attached to this specific item is much bigger than any one team or league. My question for you is this: Do you understand the significance of the collectivism over individualism bit? Do you understand the war on consciousness that is going on not just in sports, but in society? FYI: the whole collectivist bit going on everywhere is about the destruction of the individual...a tool of socialism/communism. And if you don't believe me, do some research...all there.

Yes yes, we get it. He's a dirty commie.

raduray · May 19, 2015

Rhodey said:
It appears that almost everyone missed (the significance of) the language that Kraft used in regards to collectivism over individualism. The significance of these words (and what they represent) should not be underestimated. FYI: this maps directly to the war on consciousness with the NFL (organisation) playing its part, as well. And the agenda attached to this specific item is much bigger than any one team or league. My question for you is this: Do you understand the significance of the collectivism over individualism bit? Do you understand the war on consciousness that is going on not just in sports, but in society? FYI: the whole collectivist bit going on everywhere is about the destruction of the individual...a tool of socialism/communism. And if you don't believe me, do some research...all there.

There's a wide span between anarchy and totalitarianism within which is a compromise between individual rights and obligation to society. The extreme alternatives you define are not realistic. And, as a matter of fact, pro football teams operate on the totalitarian end of the things.

JoeyC · May 19, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
Just watched Quick Slants and I think Kay Adams made a great point. She criticized Kraft not so much for caving but, rather, for misleading us with all of his tough talk. The SB arrival day speech, the Wells in Context rebuttal, the interview just 48 or so hours ago with King as evidence. From my perspective, I would have been less disappointed if Kraft at least would have forcefully claimed innocence while capitulating. Honestly, he suddenly looked and sounded like a guilty, defeated, tired old man. Just really disappointing.

I agree but the interview with King should have been our first clue that Bob was going to cave. King is a mouthpiece for the NFL. That interview was pure spin for our consumption. It was strictly to help Bob save face.

Ochmed Jones · May 19, 2015

Really hoping Kraft and roger "I bleed green and white and not just because I have the clap" goddell have a gentlemen's agreement reducing the length of the brady suspension.

Otherwise I remain stunned and unable to process.

JoeSixPat · May 19, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Ok, here are my thoughts after a half of a day of digesting this.

No way around this. This is a kick to the groin the way Kraft turtled on this. I know his options were not great, but he should have at least gone through the motions of an appeal. He wouldn't have won, but at at least he tried. Even Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder went through the motions to fight their penalties for cheating the cap in the uncapped year. They knew they weren't going to win, but at least they made the statement that they weren't going to lay down either.

I am hurt, saddened, pissed off, angry, disheartened by Bob Kraft and how he put League first. I will be mad at him for a really long time, but I still cannot turn on him. This is still the man who took a joke of a franchise on it's way to out of town to St. Louis and turned it into a four time Super Bowl winner and the premiere franchise in the league.

I never thought Kraft would take this too far. He still has too much respect of the League, probably way, way too much respect for the league. He will always put league first.

I kinda wish that Kraft let Jonathan handle this. Bob was out of his element here. He has been successful in business building compromises and conciliations. Jonathan tends to be the attack dog for the team when necessary. He seems to be more of a fighter than Bob is and probably would have fought this fight harder and better.

Kraft just made Goodell more powerful than he has ever been. The tide was turning a bit. People were finding big holes in the Wells report and the feeling was, even among people who thought the Pats did it and deserved to be punished, that the punishment went way too far. Kraft just caving just showed that even the most powerful owner in the league can feel that he was railroaded by Goodell and he will just take it after throwing a temper tantrum.

If Kraft fell on his sword to protect Brady as it is being speculated, I can admire that. I don't agree he should have just given up completely to protect Brady, but Brady is so important to this team's history. I would give Kraft some credit that he made protecting Brady legacy as much as he could over his and the team's needs.

I am saddened by the fact that Bob Kraft has ruined his legacy in this town with his move today. Around the league, he was always the drunk owner of the Cheatriots but he was a god in this part of the world. Right now, he is the least popular sports owner in this town. I think this will be his biggest loss, his legacy in Boston sports. Now not only do non-Patriots fans hate him, there will always be a portion of the Patriots fan base who will always hate him.

I don't know... I think this was a game of chicken with the NFL in which Kraft had very limited legal options - all of which involved him effectively taking on 31 other teams

But the NFL has never reversed a punishment and Goodell is pretty entrenched in this one

I think Kraft is going to let this battle for the good name of his organization be fought by Kessler and Brady

Brady_to_Moss · May 19, 2015

I won't turn on him...am I a fan of him anymore..no. I won't boo him etc. But I won't be cheering him.

juny · May 19, 2015

Ochmed Jones said:
Really hoping Kraft and roger "I bleed green and white and not just because I have the clap" goddell have a gentlemen's agreement reducing the length of the brady suspension.

Otherwise I remain stunned and unable to process.

Anything short of getting all 4 games back is not acceptable. Snowball's chance in hell RG is going to do that.

lusdawg · May 19, 2015

My $0.02: Kraft's hands were tied in the appeal process. It was basically a no-win situation, and he couldn't sue the league and the other 31 owners and maintain any level of respect within the league. He may have privately evaluated what the other owners felt and probably realized that the support just wasn't there. My best guess is he gave Tom his full blessing to go after the league and make them look absolutely foolish for the penalties involved with the entire ridiculous situation. A $25,000 fine for any other team is now $1,000,000, two high draft picks, and a 4-game suspension for the quarterback. Oh, they didn't cooperate with the investigation? Fine. Add the $50,000 to the penalty that Brett Favre got for not complying with a sexual harassment investigation. Let the clown show continue ...

supafly · May 19, 2015

JoeSixPat said:
I don't know... I think this was a game of chicken with the NFL in which Kraft had very limited legal options

I agree. Not sure why more people aren't realizing this? I don't feel one bit differently today than I did yesterday over this. Honestly.

JoeSixPat said:
But the NFL has never reversed a punishment and Goodell is pretty entrenched in this one

Pretty obvious, judging by the way they handled the case in the opening days--cutting off their nose to spite their faces in the 2 week period leading up to the worldwide event known as the Super Bowl.

#12 · May 19, 2015

JoeyC said:
I agree but the interview with King should have been our first clue that Bob was going to cave. King is a mouthpiece for the NFL. That interview was pure spin for our consumption. It was strictly to help Bob save face.

Agreed. I believe Kraft knew all along that he'd end up caving in but he wanted to save face for us. So much for all that anger he put on display earlier in the week. Mine is real.

In the end i don't really know what Krafts been thinking, but I do know that his approach backfired big time. You can thank Roger for that, Mr. Kraft.

FrodoBagginz · May 19, 2015

The country saw how easy it is to make Kraft surrender when Putin took his Super Bowl ring and Kraft did nothing. It's only been downhill from there.

BigPeteG · May 19, 2015

My $0.02: Kraft's hands were tied in the appeal process. It was basically a no-win situation, and he couldn't sue the league and the other 31 owners and maintain any level of respect within the league. He may have privately evaluated what the other owners felt and probably realized that the support just wasn't there

Whatever. We get that he can't sue the NFL. But he didn't have to accept the penalties and decide not to appeal them. He could have appealed them and paid them - but not accepted them. Just like when you get a traffic ticket. You might not win but if you werent' speeding you damn well go to court.

wrangler · May 19, 2015

I have to wait and see how this whole thing plays out.
I'm annoyed with Mr. Kraft to be sure. But, like reading a mystery, I
have to read the final chapter to really know who, what and why.
Without that last chapter my mind will surely run rampant.

IllegalContact · May 19, 2015

I'm past it

screw Kraft.....he's a spineless drunk

the only thing that can salvage this is a blaze of glory by Brady........just because Kraft decided to swallow the goo and walk around with a bildo in his ass does mean Brady should.....If I was Brady, I would go out of my way to make Kraft look all that more spineless.....take it to the mat and actually prove innocence

At this point, I would love to see Kraft lose for nothing

Brady_to_Moss · May 19, 2015

Giardi on Kraft.

For Kraft to go rogue would have been completely out of character. He was emotional. Angry. He made threats. The league didn't blink

So then Kraft did the smart thing, even if it stings. It was the logical outcome all along.

Sciz · May 20, 2015

BigPeteG said:
Whatever. We get that he can't sue the NFL. But he didn't have to accept the penalties and decide not to appeal them. He could have appealed them and paid them - but not accepted them. Just like when you get a traffic ticket. You might not win but if you werent' speeding you damn well go to court.

Goodell was inevitably going to appoint himself to hear any appeal knowing that the only way to overturn his decision would be to sue. Does Kraft have a duty to put up the facade of fighting the punishments even if he knows it will accomplish nothing? A lot of people here seem to think so, but the end result is almost definitely exactly the same unless he commits to an attempt to destroy the NFL in court, which he obviously isn't remotely close to doing.

ChoWZa · May 20, 2015

Sciz said:
Goodell was inevitably going to appoint himself to hear any appeal knowing that the only way to overturn his decision would be to sue. Does Kraft have a duty to put up the facade of fighting the punishments even if he knows it will accomplish nothing? A lot of people here seem to think so, but the end result is almost definitely exactly the same unless he commits to an attempt to destroy the NFL in court, which he obviously isn't remotely close to doing.

Even if it was, in his mind, 100% probability of defeat he needed to fight it.
Kraft will be booed for the first time at Gillette stadium and I hope it stings.

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