Maybe there is a simple and uncomfortable reason why Kraft did what he did....

Patstopia · May 19, 2015

Uncomfortable reason, but the NFL left it out of the Wells report, but informed Kraft of it after? That makes no sense. They punished us already, they punished Brady already. If they had more evidence, it would be in the report and wouldn't increase the fines.
Probably more uncomfortable would be a Kraft Sex tape! Now that would definitely be uncomfortable!

sb1 · May 19, 2015

raduray said:
Uncomfortable reason #1: McNally did it and Brady knew.
Uncomfortable reason #2: McNally did it and Brady did not know.

#3 - either of those scenarios plus the league has reason to suspect someone on the coaching staff knew.

I'm not saying I 100% think they're guilty, just that if they are and the league had something beyond what was in the report... it's the most logical explanation for why Kraft suddenly backed down today.

I can't think of any other sensible reason why he would... he HAD to know the backlash that would be coming to him.

nowayback · May 19, 2015

Yes he got BB proposal passed about extra points from the 15 .

Gator Mike · May 19, 2015

sb1 said:
I don't need to say what it is, that should be obvious by the word "uncomfortable"... but I can't say I'm not starting to wonder. And if this is true...then it's a shame. And heads need to roll.

It would certainly explain Kraft caving like he did.

Anyone else feel the same way?

C'mon. You REALLY believe Tom Brady launched a multi-person plot to deflate his footballs from 12.5 psi to 12.2 psi? The entire idea is ridiculous.

skinnydog · May 19, 2015

Rhodey said:
Ethical individualist here. So, I recognised the collectivist explanation almost before Kraft finished presenting it. I didn't realise that he is such a Marxist, or should I say believes in collectivism to that degree. Yeah, the whole collectivist thing- that Kraft stated -maps directly to the war on consciousness; the war on the individual. FYI: Schools, leagues et al are specifically set up to institutionalise the collectivist mindset; remove the individual.

Yeah, collectivism for billionaires

BigPeteG · May 19, 2015

Kraft is foolish if he thinks this will make the issue go away. Look for his team to lose value. That's the only way to make him suffer on this. TB and BB should retire/leave the Pats.. It was bad enough he didn't fight on spygate. No not because 'everyone was doing' - but because the ACTUAL RULES didn't say it was illegal. The pats ignored a memo from someone who didn't have the power to change the rules.

Now he ignores his teams star QB who says he didn't have anything to do with altering the balls. Kraft is proof you don't have to be tough or smart to be rich.

RxJock1120 · May 19, 2015

nowayback said:
Yes he got BB proposal passed about extra points from the 15 now .

Well now everything makes sense, I take back everything I said about Kraft...oh wait no that would be ridiculous!

BradyFTW! · May 19, 2015

raduray said:
Uncomfortable reason #1: McNally did it and Brady knew.
Uncomfortable reason #2: McNally did it and Brady did not know.

Did what? Not deflate footballs? Because the numbers are pretty clear: assuming that Andersen did use the gauge he said he used, there was no deflation.

Fencer · May 19, 2015

Bill Clinton got impeached because he lied about a sex act in Washington DC in a case about a possible sex act years earlier in Arkansas, to a grand jury that had been convened ostensibly to look into financial irregularities.

The point of my analogy is this: Even though the Wells report is obviously stupid, we can't totally eliminate the possibility that there was something shady somewhere that could somehow be dragged into the matter.

Nitro · May 19, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Whatever "did it" was did NOT happen in the Colts game as the balls were where they should have been psi wise.
Why do folks forget this every 10 minutes?

Remind me again what the 3-4 colts balls were and what their punishment was, I keep forgetting that every 10 minutes.

Hoodie · May 19, 2015

sb1 said:
That is true... but to me just caving for the sake of the billionaires club makes no sense. He's not stupid...surely he had to know how that would go over with us. So maybe there's another reason why he did and there is a good reason why he felt he couldn't win.

I guess we will see what happens with Brady and whether he too backs down.

He didn't care what it did to us. The other owners cornered him and said nothing good can come of this, you're hurting the league which will ultimately cost us $ and Bob said, OK and caved. He put himself and the other owners ahead of us and for that I can never forgive.

FCB02062 · May 19, 2015

Bob Kraft pissed on his own franchise's fans, and his team's, coach's and quarterback's legacy for the "good of the other 31"...anyone associated with the NE Patriots will forever be known as a cheater, rightly or wrongly. The only chance to combat that was for the owner to fight for his team/players/coaches - he could have done this challenging the penalty or using stronger words and not sounding like a ****y today...f#ck you bob....

Sfpat · May 19, 2015

Hoodie said:
He didn't care what it did to us. The other owners cornered him and said nothing good can come of this, you're hurting the league which will ultimately cost us $ and Bob said, OK and caved. He put himself and the other owners ahead of us and for that I can never forgive.

Sfpat · May 19, 2015

Hoodie said:
He didn't care what it did to us. The other owners cornered him and said nothing good can come of this, you're hurting the league which will ultimately cost us $ and Bob said, OK and caved. He put himself and the other owners ahead of us and for that I can never forgive.

My response to the other owners would be to take the Wells report, substitute the word "Patriots" with the name of your team, Brady with the name of your QB, etc, be hit with this penalty and see how you would respond. I doubt very few of them would take one for the league based on this report. Then tell them to go F themselves.

raduray · May 19, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
Did what? Not deflate footballs? Because the numbers are pretty clear: assuming that Andersen did use the gauge he said he used, there was no deflation.

Yes, deflate footballs. I'm not advocating that's what happened - I'm actually hoping it didn't. I'm just elaborating on the OP's unmentionalble uncomfortable reasons.

Tony2046 · May 19, 2015

sb1 said:
That someone or more than one person on the team may not be as innocent on this whole thing as we want to think.

It really is the simplest and most believable explanation for Kraft today IMO. Perhaps he became aware of some information that the league had that we don't know about...

Listen, I understand you trying to be open minded in this and I applaud that but to me it is simple. IF the Panthers, the Vikings, and if the Jaguars were in the same circumstance it would not have been anywhere near the penalty that the Pats just got and that is if you believe something happened. The whole investigation was botched by the NFL from the get go. Can you or I or any defence team take a look at those footballs in question? You know the ones they pulled out of the game because they suspected something was going on? No, you cannot because they re-inflated them and put them back in the game which essentially destroyed any evidence they had against us or any evidence that would have vindicated the Pats. So instead of a quick test of the footballs after the game we have to have a 5 million dollar investigation that comes to the conclusion of "more probable than not". The leaks, the insinuations, and the other BS all over 0.3 psi and not the 1 -2 psi we initially were told. IF he would have fought this in court and lost I would have respected him for it. We already know what the rest of the country thinks and that wasn't going to change but now we have to live with a spineless owner which to me is much worse than dealing with idiot fan bases from around the country. Even if everything the Wells report insinuates was true we are still talking about 0.3 psi which is not comparable to crowd noise, PED's or Salary gate etc. I like to say "you always respect the dog that bit you" but Kraft did not fight back and the NFL does not fear going overboard with him. He should have fought this if only to prevent it from happening again.

Haley · May 19, 2015

Wow. **** everything about this thread.

Maybe you misguidingly think you are being open minded or some kind of conciliatory crap but what you are really doing is assuming a crime occurred with no evidence. Pure speculation in the worst way.

tom444 · May 19, 2015

Concussion Protocol said:
I think it's totally possible they messed with the balls, so give them a warning or a 20K fine like the other ball manipulators. Yes, there are reasons to think they jaywalked, but that doesn't justify a prison sentence. As for "if only they cooperated, the penalty would've been lighter", that's BS. They were totally upfront about "Spygate" and still got a ridiculous sanction. Just a massive abuse of power by the league office.

That's how I've seen it all along. Brady and Manning petitioned to be able to prepare the footballs during the week, or days, before a game. The league accepted their proposal. Good move all the way around. So, maybe Brady liked his balls a little under inflated, BFD. If all the QBs in the league were allowed the same tiny leeway, how many teams could do what Brady and the Patriots did last year? Clue, 31 out of 32 couldn't.

50-yard-line · May 19, 2015

sb1 said:
I don't need to say what it is, that should be obvious by the word "uncomfortable"... but I can't say I'm not starting to wonder. And if this is true...then it's a shame. And heads need to roll.

It would certainly explain Kraft caving like he did.

Anyone else feel the same way?

Kraft said again today that he believed the Pats did nothing wrong. If the NFL had something more or if Kraft found something more, he should have admitted it.

If' you're correct, it's just as bad. Kraft is then a bald-faced liar.

n6249c · May 19, 2015

sb1 said:
#3 - either of those scenarios plus the league has reason to suspect someone on the coaching staff knew.

I'm not saying I 100% think they're guilty, just that if they are and the league had something beyond what was in the report... it's the most logical explanation for why Kraft suddenly backed down today.

I can't think of any other sensible reason why he would... he HAD to know the backlash that would be coming to him.

Either of those scenarios plus it had happened at other games, and the league had ironclad proof of that, because Kensil orchestrated a better sting than any of us imagined (even if the evidence was forged what would the public reaction turn out to be?). Built his case, sprung the trap on the penultimate game, but this time the distraction didn't cause a loss because Malcolm effing Butler hadn't read the script...

Maybe there is a simple and uncomfortable reason why Kraft did what he did....

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