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He should fight toothe and nail for even the smallest of fines. One cent is too much.

I would agree, but taking the league to court over 100k would be something I could understand him bailing on.
 
Where has it been established that the Pats had the option of 'signing off' on Wells anyway?
I believe when he was suggested as the investigator, the Patriots gave no objection.
Of course, that means nothing.
 
Usually he doesn't bother -- and by the way, it might be illegal for him to use his cell phone in the car like that. ;) But before a Super Bowl, things are different even without accusations flying around ...
I'm sure he has a hands-free set up.
 
What the Greenbergs of the world are missing is that it could still be a set-up without meaning that someone was specifically out to get Tom Brady.

-Kensil & Vincent had an unsubstantiated tip from the Colts that the Patriots were doing something wrong.
-Kensil & Vincent and their tipster Grigson thought it would be great to catch the Patriots organization in the act, and assumed that the tip would turn out to be true. Their goal was not to prevent any tampering, but to CATCH the Patriots if it happened, as they thought it would.
-Kensil & Vincent and their tipster Grigson are all dumber than boxes of rocks and thought with perfect confidence that a football at 13 psi at room temperature will be 13 psi at 50 degrees, at 20 degrees, or at zero degrees. That as long as you don't take air out, the pressure would be the same. Incredibly, even the football manufacturers thought this too!
-Laughably, the dumber than a box of rock belief fully extended to everyone involved in the sting, every media member who rushed to judgement, and 99% of fans, and to Goodell, maybe even to thus day.
-Kensil & Vincent saw lower pressures, at halftime, than they expected to see. I think that they thought that they were in the right to aggressively push forward. Paranoia, jealousy, ignorance, and incompetence reinforced each other.
-It took months for basic concept of the ideal gas law to sink in for ANYONE in the media. Peter King paid some small attention to it in January, sure, but the scientific aspects were muddied by the persistent belief in the FALSE "11 out of 12 footballs were 2 psi low" leak.

If the reasons for the sting operation progressing into a full-fledged headline scandal were put into a pie chart, it would break down about lie this, IMO.

the sparks:
Paranoia about the Patriots:10%
Jealously/hatred of the Patriots: 10%

the fuel:
sheer ignorance coupled with incompetence and lies: 80%

Yup! Yada Yada Yada, Pats Beat Seahawks In SB49 with Regulation Supervised Footballs.
 
Brady exonerated, picks returned and a small fine may be good enough for Kraft to take the deal, although I feel like he has reached the point where any penalty is unacceptable because he claims to be 100% innocent.

I don't think that goes far enough. There needs to be a determination of wrongdoing by other teams and league officials against the Pats, and the appropriate penalties, firings, and compensation to the Pats determined.
 
I will answer your one question and be done. I think Goodell has no choice but to make Brady the scape goat. Selling Brady down the river is still his best choice. Whether he thinks he is innocent or not at this point is irrelevant.

That said, when homers like Scott Zolak and Dale Arnold think Brady did something, there is little doubt that Goodell believes Brady is guilty.
Listening to Dale right now. He doesn't seem to think Brady did something...
 
I don't think that goes far enough. There needs to be a determination of wrongdoing by other teams and league officials against the Pats, and the appropriate penalties, firings, and compensation to the Pats determined.

Ideally, sure. But I was talking about what would keep Kraft from suing the NFL.
 
I believe when he was suggested as the investigator, the Patriots gave no objection.
Of course, that means nothing.
Sure, I'm just not clear that they had any power to direct who did the investigation. These guys act like it's a given.
 
I don't know what Bertrand, Adam Jones et al have against pats. They are the biggest anti-pats voice in our back yard. Its pissing me off to no end :mad:
Bertrand is a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. He was with Vulgar and Spazz for too long.
 
Sure, I'm just not clear that they had any power to direct who did the investigation. These guys act like it's a given.

Its the same as:

Give us the texts
There are none
UNCOOPERATIVE!!!

You can't say that Wells was impartial after the fact because when we informed you we were investigating you and he was hired, you didn't object and tell us he was bias.

In other words, if you trust our integrity we have a license to screw you, and then you cannot question our integrity.
 
Ideally, sure. But I was talking about what would keep Kraft from suing the NFL.

Hopefully the league will do what's right without being pushed, but maybe the threat of a lawsuit will be needed to get Goodell going.

Revisit the Rats tampering too, that was a slap in the face.
 
King's MMQB article will once again result in people saying "ah ha! Suspending "the deflator" is an admission of wrong doing!" http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/patriots-suspended-deflator-robert-kraft-why-deflategate

Look back and you'll see that this wasn't exactly a choice.

Troy Vincent made clear the day the report came out that they could not return without his say so - the Patriots may have proactively implemented the suspension the day it came out thinking that would appease the League - but they were wrong. Now it may be that they'd not want these guys back at all now knowing what they've texted - but it's not like this was truly a voluntary move... more a proactive move in with the Patriots showed they'd comply with the League's mandate after their "Definitely Maybe" findings - likely expecting that would be the extent of the punishment

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...s-equipment-assistant-suspended-indefinitely/

The league announced that neither can be reinstated without league executive vice president Troy Vincent’s approval, and spells out that: “If they are reinstated by the Patriots, Jastremski is prohibited from having any role in the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs to be used in NFL games during the 2015 season. McNally is barred from serving as a locker room attendant for the game officials, or having any involvement with the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs or any other equipment on game day.”
 
Listening to Dale right now. He doesn't seem to think Brady did something...

He actually changed his mind over the weekend after re-reading the Wells report and the Patriots' response. I don't know if he doesn't believe Brady did something, but he has major concerns about the Wells Report. But he had Holley and Thornton working on him for the past two weeks and he is predetermined to think the Pats were innocent to begin with. Goodell doesn't have that.
 
The only thing about negotiation is it involves compromise. I hate to see us compromise here. I doubt I'd be happy with that.

Yea its a slippery slope here... the owners may offer a compromise of a reduced penalty (that 1st rounder is absolutely off the table), but even if Kraft accepts then it's admitting guilt and people will still think they're cheaters and "got off easy because Goodell is in Kraft's pocket" nonsense will be spewed endlessly

I just hope Kraft makes us proud.. there is absolutely no f***ing way that we're losing a 1st rounder.. not a f***ing chance, otherwise it's scorched earth approach where you burn the nfl to the ground
 
Again we disagree.
I don't understand how selecting an investigator makes you accountable that he reaches a good conclusion. Believing it when it is wrong is much worse than challenging it.
Given the Wells report, without the Patriots bringing to light everything that is missing or wrong, accepting the conclusion is not farfetched.

They are having an appeal hearing. Wells has laid out his investigation and Brady (and later Kraft) will lay out theirs. To suggest that Goodell is painted into a corner and cannot find that Wells did a poor job just makes no sense.

That would be reasonable and logical... but I don't think anyone has even a sliver of confidence that logic and reason will prevail in this
 
That would be reasonable and logical... but I don't think anyone has even a sliver of confidence that logic and reason will prevail in this

To clarify, I am discussing the right thing for Goodell to do, and specefically avoiding the 'Goodell hates us, will screw us, the world is out to get us' approach.
Perhaps Goodell has a motive other than getting it right, but I'm not leaning on that, nor do I see any logic in why he would.
Not the paranoid conspiracy type.
 
I will answer your one question and be done. I think Goodell has no choice but to make Brady the scape goat. Selling Brady down the river is still his best choice. Whether he thinks he is innocent or not at this point is irrelevant.

That said, when homers like Scott Zolak and Dale Arnold think Brady did something, there is little doubt that Goodell believes Brady is guilty.

Arnold's objectivity is obscured by his embarrassment over prior "THEY'VE GOT NOTHING!" comments. It makes his afraid to take any further stands that side with NE's innocence. It's gone so far that he refused to consider Holley's argument about Brady denying he knew McNally despite it being fully consistent with virtually any large company. Surely you know of someone without knowing them by name.

Even worse, he chastised Holley and Thornton for questioning the NFL's neutrality despite there being much circumstantial evidence of them predetermining their conclusion. If the NFL was really unbiased, they could have easily just refuted the original report with actual psi values. Or they wouldn't have written an accusation with incorrect data in it. Or they wouldn't have provided the Patriots the actual psi values under the condition that they couldn't be released until after the Wells report was released.

There is at least as much evidence of NFL bias as there is that NE did anything wrong.
 
King's MMQB article will once again result in people saying "ah ha! Suspending "the deflator" is an admission of wrong doing!" http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/patriots-suspended-deflator-robert-kraft-why-deflategate

Holy shi.t that article is absolutely terrible. I mean even more terrible than deflategate articles usually are. Seriously, read this thing and tell me it doesn't immediately have the most obvious agenda.

In a sometimes whiny, other times whiny, interview with Peter King, a “peeved” and “curt” New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft expressed shock — shock, I tell you — that the NFL would deign ding his Patriots for “arbitrary circumstantial evidence” in the Deflategate case, even though that evidence has led pretty much everybody outside the Boston area to come to the conclusion that, yeah, the Patriots cheated.

Wow way to come out the gate openly insulting the man. Why even say what Kraft actually said when you can just dismiss it all as "whiny, other times whiny" and not have to bother. Now anyone who reads this article will subconsciously assume that Kraft is in the wrong because that's what the published article said and obviously it must be right because its published. The circular reasoning here is deafening.

This was a taste of the nonsense Kraft was promulgating in his first extensive talk about the punishments, which were posted Monday on themmqb.com:

A taste of the nonsense? Really? Promulgating nonsense? Jesus fuc*king christ. This is slander.

Change around a few words and he sounds like a kid complaining on Christmas because his sister got better presents.

He has the gal to accuse Kraft of acting like a kid when the resorts to childish retorts like this?

Kraft could then still argue Brady didn’t know (cough, *heknew*, cough) but the Patriots would still be responsible for its rogue employees.

Way to set spell out the agenda right there. Lets not even pretend to be somewhat objective, we know he knew because we say so.

I don't think anything to come out of this mess has pissed me off quite like this. This is classic crap you'd find on Fox News or some place where some news article thinly disguised as an op-ed is used to immediately beg the question and cast guilt. This isn't laying out what Kraft said and then also pointing out some inconsistencies that the writer believes should be noted and elaborated upon. This is telling that Kraft is full of crap and it's not worth even listening to what he has to say. People coming into that article who don't already have a stake in the case, or are on the fence, will see that first sentence and immediately be against Kraft because that's how they've been told to feel.

I can't get past this. The article is criticizing for Kraft being whiny? WHINY? HOW THE HELL SHOULD HE FEEL? Should he be happy that his team got punished so harshly and that his QB is being smeared through the mud? You can't just brush off legitimate concerns and criticisms by just labeling the person as being whiny. Of course he's whiny. That's the fuc.king point. That's how you get across dissatisfaction about something!

It's like I go to the police station to report my neighbor stole my bike and the neighbor comes in saying, oh he's just being whiny, and the case is dismissed. WHAT?

I'm seriously losing my mind over this whole thing. What can Brady/Kraft even do at this point? If they remain silent then these articles will criticize them for not being transparent, because obviously they are hiding something. If they come out and speak then these articles will criticize them for being whiny and defensive, because obviously they are hiding something. It's a catch 22 from hell.
 
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Just look at the URL, "FTW" it's a lame corporate attempt to be cool and buzzy netizens.
Of course they have opinion masquerading as news.
 
The booing that Goodell heard at the draft is nothing compared to what he will hear if he ever steps foot in Gillette Stadium again.

Remember that Philly game where Santa Claus was booed and had things thrown at him.....yeah game on, he might as well come to Gillette Stadium in a "Pope"-Mobile LOL

Still that would take a serious set of hairy-boys to grace his gingered-mugg anywhere in New England let alone The Razor
 
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