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Will Kraft suddenly reverse course and allow the NFL to have its way in the end?


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There's something deeply sinister about the NFL, and the best way to expose it might be to actually file a law suit. Even if there's an uphill legal battle to face in the courts, what could Kraft possibly have to lose at this point? The Patriot brand has been damaged beyond repair....might as well take the NFL down with you.

I agree. The fact that the Mariners fans were chanting "Brady cheated" last night while playing the Red Sox should convince Kraft how damaging this is to the Pats brand, and that the only way to salvage the Pats reputation is to sue the league.

Diplomacy is not going to be sufficient here.
 
If Kraft capitulates, he does not deserve the support of the fans for his stadium or marketplace. He is just opening his team for the the next punishment at the hands of the Fuhrer. I cannot respect an owner who is unwilling to support his team. However if he gets a reduction in the draft pick penalty to something reasonable like a third round pick, I will reconsider,
 
I don't know what he can do beside the appeal. I don't think he can get a court to hear his case. Maybe get the congress to look into the NFL.
 
FWIW, from Reiss:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england.../quick-hit-thoughts-around-the-patriots-nfl-2

3. Some have asked what Kraft accomplished by launching the website Wellsreportcontext.com on Thursday, because it’s not as if the NFL will be reducing any penalties because of it. In fact, the website probably only intensifies hard feelings between the team and league office. But one needs only review Kraft’s remarks in recent months to understand the purpose of the website -- it’s a legacy piece. With conviction that his team did nothing wrong, and that the NFL predetermined the outcome of its investigation from the start, Kraft simply wanted to put the team’s version of events on the public record. Some might believe them. Others might not. But for an owner that feels his team was railroaded by the NFL, the website was deemed the best avenue to tell his team’s side of the story and formally introduce it to any public debate right now and into the future. My feeling is that the Patriots’ fight most likely stops there; I’d be surprised if Kraft filed a lawsuit against the NFL.
 
Does anyone else believe that the vitriol against Kraft in the first few days has people in Patriots Place a little anxious?

Keep the pressure on folks.
No
 
Ultimately, the team can absorb Brady's suspension, and Kraft the fine - but losing those picks is as close to a death sentence as the NFL gets. (And on such little evidence!) That it would come during Brady's stretch run is soul-crushing to this fan.

We should not accept this, but losing the 32nd pick in the draft[yes!] is not killing anyone. For comparison, our top pick this year hardly played and we won the super Bowl.

To me, it's stop the suspension, accept no punishment, with court actions if needed, and get rid of Goodell. Of those three goals, number three is far and away the most important.
 
To borrow an adage a very close friend uses, "My expertise lies elsewhere"! I don't have any knowledge of the court of law, luckily I guess. Could someone please explain to me and I suppose others as well, what the "anti-trust" thing is and how it can work for Bob Kraft? I would really appreciate it, thank you.
 
Kraft better understand that no one in New England gives a F about "the shield". If he's not willing to put his team above the shield and fight this unjust penalty, he might as well move the team to St. Louis. It's better to have no team at all than one that will constantly be unfairly put at a disadvantage by a bunch of suits in New York.

I strongly encourage all the season ticket holders out there to contact the Patriots to let them know exactly how they feel about this. If Kraft had a sense for the consequences of laying down and not taking this any further, he may decide it is in his best interest to grow a pair.
 
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This is really a nexus point for the Pats franchise. I think if we prove there is bias from the league offices that is being directed towards the Pats, then it may also open up opportunities to re-visit past disciplines against the Pats, such as Spygate, as well as expose and address the different standards when imposing discipline on other teams, particularly the Rats.

A lawsuit could potentially clear the Pats name and point fingers at the real culprits. A lawsuit has little to no individual downside to the Pats, regardless of the potential downside to the league as a whole, but if Kraft can't, or won't, fight for the Pats and clear their name, then I really don't give a bleep about the well-being of the rest of the league going forward.
 
This is really a nexus point for the Pats franchise. I think if we prove there is bias from the league offices that is being directed towards the Pats, then it may also open up opportunities to re-visit past disciplines against the Pats, such as Spygate, as well as expose and address the different standards when imposing discipline on other teams, particularly the Rats.

A lawsuit could potentially clear the Pats name and point fingers at the real culprits. A lawsuit has little to no individual downside to the Pats, regardless of the potential downside to the league as a whole, but if Kraft can't, or won't, fight for the Pats and clear their name, then I really don't give a bleep about the well-being of the rest of the league going forward.

I will never turn my back on Kraft. But if he chooses not to sue, I'll feel let down by one of the greats :( It's all in his hands. He has an opportunity to fight for what's just.

I know he's part of the NFL establishment. I know he'd rather make friends than enemies. I know he's no renegade like Al Davis. But he has a duty to protect everything he's built from the monster he helped to crate (Rodger Goodell).

Please Robert, Do your Job! Fight back!
 
To borrow an adage a very close friend uses, "My expertise lies elsewhere"! I don't have any knowledge of the court of law, luckily I guess. Could someone please explain to me and I suppose others as well, what the "anti-trust" thing is and how it can work for Bob Kraft? I would really appreciate it, thank you.

It's called the 'nuclear option' and most people agree that Kraft doesn't have the personality or courage to pull it off. Which is very disappointing :( But if he wanted to, here's what he could do

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/12/de...riots-legal-options?page=2&devicetype=default

The nuclear option: Sue Goodell and the NFL.

If Kraft determines that he has exhausted any internal appeals, he could attempt to take the matter to court. If a lawsuit advanced past a motion to dismiss, Kraft could force Goodell, Vincent and others to testify under oath. The same, though, would be true for Kraft, Brady and Bill Belichick, among other Patriots employees.

There are different types of claims Kraft could bring. Among them:

i. Federal arbitration claim—Kraft could ask a federal court to review Goodell’s decision-making on Deflategate. The key for Kraft would be to argue that Goodell, as the ultimate arbitrator on league matters, has acted arbitrarily and capriciously. This would be a difficult standard for Kraft to show, but it is the customary standard used by courts in reviewing the decisions of private business associations like the NFL. Kraft would stress that Goodell failed to provide him and the Patriots a fair opportunity to make a case. Kraft would also contend that the NFL has grossly misinterpreted its own rules in imposing such a hefty and unprecedented penalty. Kraft would essentially claim that the penalty makes no sense and is thus arbitrary.

ii. Federal antitrust claim—Kraft could file an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL, claiming that the league and its teams—including the Colts, which may have played a decisive role in sharing implicating evidence—have conspired in an anticompetitive way to harm the Patriots and the team’s franchise value. With some success, the late Al Davis used antitrust law to take on the NFL in the 1980s during a legal dispute over where the Raiders play. More recently and without success, former Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling attempted to use antitrust law to take on the NBA and Adam Silver. One advantage to an antitrust law would be the possibility of treble damages.

iii. Defamation claim—Kraft could sue Goodell and Vincent, and contend that statements made by the NFL about the Patriots involvement in Deflategate are untrue and damaging to his reputation. As a public figure, Kraft would have the added burden of showing Goodell and Vincent lied with “actual malice,” which means they lied intentionally or knowingly.

iv. Petition for a restraining order.

Kraft could also petition a judge to issue a temporary restraining order blocking the NFL from carrying out the penalty. He would have to show irreparable harm, meaning harm that monetary damages couldn’t cure. This would be very difficult to show.

* * *

To be clear, none of these claims by Kraft would likely prevail. The NFL Constitution makes clear that ownership grievances are to be resolved internally and kept out of court. The NFL would petition any court in which Kraft sues to immediately dismiss the lawsuit on grounds that Kraft, like all NFL owners, contractually agreed to never sue the NFL and other owners. The NFL would probably succeed in making such an argument.

Also, not only did Kraft initially say he would accept the Deflategate punishment, but Kraft’s record and personality suggest it is extremely unlikely he would sue the NFL—an association in which he’s been an influential member for the last 21 years. Kraft suing the NFL would mean he’d be suing the 31 other ownership groups, some of whom include his close friends.

Do not expect Kraft to file a legal action, but it is an option. No matter how Kraft responds to the punishment, his team’s legal rights will be very different from those of Brady in his appeal.
 
It's called the 'nuclear option' and most people agree that Kraft doesn't have the personality or courage to pull it off. Which is very disappointing :( But if he wanted to, here's what he could do

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/12/de...riots-legal-options?page=2&devicetype=default

The nuclear option: Sue Goodell and the NFL.

If Kraft determines that he has exhausted any internal appeals, he could attempt to take the matter to court. If a lawsuit advanced past a motion to dismiss, Kraft could force Goodell, Vincent and others to testify under oath. The same, though, would be true for Kraft, Brady and Bill Belichick, among other Patriots employees.

There are different types of claims Kraft could bring. Among them:

i. Federal arbitration claim—Kraft could ask a federal court to review Goodell’s decision-making on Deflategate. The key for Kraft would be to argue that Goodell, as the ultimate arbitrator on league matters, has acted arbitrarily and capriciously. This would be a difficult standard for Kraft to show, but it is the customary standard used by courts in reviewing the decisions of private business associations like the NFL. Kraft would stress that Goodell failed to provide him and the Patriots a fair opportunity to make a case. Kraft would also contend that the NFL has grossly misinterpreted its own rules in imposing such a hefty and unprecedented penalty. Kraft would essentially claim that the penalty makes no sense and is thus arbitrary.

ii. Federal antitrust claim—Kraft could file an antitrust lawsuit against the NFL, claiming that the league and its teams—including the Colts, which may have played a decisive role in sharing implicating evidence—have conspired in an anticompetitive way to harm the Patriots and the team’s franchise value. With some success, the late Al Davis used antitrust law to take on the NFL in the 1980s during a legal dispute over where the Raiders play. More recently and without success, former Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling attempted to use antitrust law to take on the NBA and Adam Silver. One advantage to an antitrust law would be the possibility of treble damages.

iii. Defamation claim—Kraft could sue Goodell and Vincent, and contend that statements made by the NFL about the Patriots involvement in Deflategate are untrue and damaging to his reputation. As a public figure, Kraft would have the added burden of showing Goodell and Vincent lied with “actual malice,” which means they lied intentionally or knowingly.

iv. Petition for a restraining order.

Kraft could also petition a judge to issue a temporary restraining order blocking the NFL from carrying out the penalty. He would have to show irreparable harm, meaning harm that monetary damages couldn’t cure. This would be very difficult to show.

* * *

To be clear, none of these claims by Kraft would likely prevail. The NFL Constitution makes clear that ownership grievances are to be resolved internally and kept out of court. The NFL would petition any court in which Kraft sues to immediately dismiss the lawsuit on grounds that Kraft, like all NFL owners, contractually agreed to never sue the NFL and other owners. The NFL would probably succeed in making such an argument.

Also, not only did Kraft initially say he would accept the Deflategate punishment, but Kraft’s record and personality suggest it is extremely unlikely he would sue the NFL—an association in which he’s been an influential member for the last 21 years. Kraft suing the NFL would mean he’d be suing the 31 other ownership groups, some of whom include his close friends.

Do not expect Kraft to file a legal action, but it is an option. No matter how Kraft responds to the punishment, his team’s legal rights will be very different from those of Brady in his appeal.

I vote go nuclear!

Do you all suppose that as the largest Pats site, at least the largest not affiliated with the team, that Pats personnel may check this site to get the pulse of the fan base?

If so, I would they would see that the overwhelming attitude from Pats fans on this site is to fight the league hard on this.
 
Thanks for the informative response.
 
I vote go nuclear!

Do you all suppose that as the largest Pats site, at least the largest not affiliated with the team, that Pats personnel may check this site to get the pulse of the fan base?

If so, I would they would see that the overwhelming attitude from Pats fans on this site is to fight the league hard on this.
Agree. It looks to me like an arbitration claim is more than credible. It can't get more arbitrary and capricious than levying severe penalties based on a complete failure to comprehend high school physics.
 
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